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IrishLax

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Just realized Florida lost to GA Southern.

LOL, that bad?

I really wonder how Anzalone is feeling sitting on the bench for a bunch of coaches that are about to get fired... buried for a position he is far less of a fit for schematically than he would've been for our ILB positions.
 

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I really wonder how Anzalone is feeling sitting on the bench for a bunch of coaches that are about to get fired... buried for a position he is far less of a fit for schematically than he would've been for our ILB positions.

Almost certain he transfers, no?
 

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I really wonder how Anzalone is feeling sitting on the bench for a bunch of coaches that are about to get fired... buried for a position he is far less of a fit for schematically than he would've been for our ILB positions.

I thought he was redshirting because of a shoulder injury. Didn't realize he was riding pine. Could have been seeing serious PT at ND, ESPECIALLY since the ASU game. Damn shame he and the good doctor wavered late...
 

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I thought he was redshirting because of a shoulder injury. Didn't realize he was riding pine. Could have been seeing serious PT at ND, ESPECIALLY since the ASU game. Damn shame he and the good doctor wavered late...

He's played in 9 games with 2 tackles. So I would imagine that's far too much participation to redshirt.
 

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Also, how the hell did Cincinnati jump us in the Coach's Poll? They got destroyed by Illinois...

I'm convinced Coaches/AP voters literally only care about 3 things:

1. Record
2. Conference (Aka are you in the SEC or Pac-12?)
3. What have you done for me lately?

Absolutely no way a team with 3 wins over top 25 wins and no horrible losses should be ranked behind the likes of Cincinnati
 

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Will Auburn jump OSU if they beat Alabama?

It will turn into absolute chaos if that happens. Absolute. Freaking. Chaos.

Here's the ultimate doomsday scenario... Auburn beats Alabama, gets into SEC championship game. Missouri loses to A&M, and South Carolina makes it to the SEC championship. South Carolina loses to Clemson, and then beats Auburn so then you have a 3-loss SEC champ.

Meanwhile... Alabama doesn't even make their conference championship game. Ohio State loses to Michigan State in the conference title game. FSU wins out but Winston gets arrested for rape.

So you're sitting there with undefeated FSU who has played no one, 1-loss MSU, 1-loss Baylor, 1-loss Ohio State, and 1-loss Clemson who beat the SEC champ. Then you have 1-loss Alabama who couldn't even win their half of a conference. Do they -- for the second time -- get a free pass into the championship game despite not even being able to make their conference championship game?
 

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Also, how the hell did Cincinnati jump us in the Coach's Poll? They got destroyed by Illinois...

I'm convinced Coaches/AP voters literally only care about 3 things:

1. Record
2. Conference (Aka are you in the SEC or Pac-12?)
3. What have you done for me lately?

Absolutely no way a team with 3 wins over top 25 wins and no horrible losses should be ranked behind the likes of Cincinnati

Pitt is a pretty bad loss
 

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Pitt is a pretty bad loss

Lol. Well Cincinnati lost to....

Illinois 45-17. Illinois is one of the worst teams in the country.
USF. Also one of the worst teams in the country.

Their only decent win is over Houston (7-4). I'm completely dumbfounded about how any voter could objectively vote for them over us.
 

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It will turn into absolute chaos if that happens. Absolute. Freaking. Chaos.

Here's the ultimate doomsday scenario... Auburn beats Alabama, gets into SEC championship game. Missouri loses to A&M, and South Carolina makes it to the SEC championship. South Carolina loses to Clemson, and then beats Auburn so then you have a 3-loss SEC champ.

Meanwhile... Alabama doesn't even make their conference championship game. Ohio State loses to Michigan State in the conference title game. FSU wins out but Winston gets arrested for rape.

So you're sitting there with undefeated FSU who has played no one, 1-loss MSU, 1-loss Baylor, 1-loss Ohio State, and 1-loss Clemson who beat the SEC champ. Then you have 1-loss Alabama who couldn't even win their half of a conference. Do they -- for the second time -- get a free pass into the championship game despite not even being able to make their conference championship game?

If OSU loses to MSU in the Big 10 Championship then I think they shouldn't get into a BCS game. For one reason and one reason only, they haven't played $hit. And if they lose to MSU then they would be 0-1 against quality opponents. OSU would have no one to blame besides themselves for scheduling a high school level OOC schedule.
 

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Lol. Well Cincinnati lost to....

Illinois 45-17. Illinois is one of the worst teams in the country.
USF. Also one of the worst teams in the country.

Their only decent win is over Houston (7-4). I'm completely dumbfounded about how any voter could objectively vote for them over us.

I'm not disagreeing with you that Cincinnati should be ranked above us. Having NIU and Fresno State ranked above us is a crime IMO.

I'm just disagreeing with your statement that we don't have any bad losses
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Of 3 loss teams, <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23ND&src=hash">#ND</a> has beaten 3 current top 25 teams. <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23SC&src=hash">#SC</a> has beaten 1, <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23AM&src=hash">#AM</a> hasn't beaten ONE, yet both rank ahead of <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23ND&src=hash">#ND</a>. <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23SEC&src=hash">#SEC</a> bias.</p>— Jacob Kuehn (@JKuehn1) <a href="https://twitter.com/JKuehn1/statuses/404674175459024896">November 24, 2013</a></blockquote>
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FYI - what a fucking joke.
 
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It's absolutely criminal that any of the teams ranked 21-25 are above ND. If you did a blind resume comparison it wouldn't even be debatable.
 
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It's absolutely criminal that any of the teams ranked 21-25 are above ND. If you did a blind resume comparison it wouldn't even be debatable.

I just went bonkers tweeting this as a question to every ESPN figure I can think of.
 
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Scott Van Pelt ‏@notthefakeSVP 6s

@JKuehn1 didn't lost to Michigan and Pitt ?

What should I say back in 140 characters or less?
 

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Scottt Van Pelt replied:

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@JKuehn1 didn't lost to Michigan and Pitt ?

What should I say back in 140 characters or less?

Those were road games at night. Always tough to win. Stanford didn't really get penalized that much loosing to Utah and USC at night.
 
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Scottt Van Pelt replied:

Scott Van Pelt ‏@notthefakeSVP 6s

@JKuehn1 didn't lost to Michigan and Pitt ?

What should I say back in 140 characters or less?

USC lost to Washington State at home and also lost to us
 

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Texas A&M... 0 top 25 wins, 1 loss by 14+, no bad losses
UCLA... 0 top 25 wins, 2 losses by 14+, no bad losses
USC... 1 top 25 win, 1 loss by 14+, 1 bad loss
Duke... 0 top 25 wins, 0 losses by 14+, 2 bad losses
Cinci... 0 top 25 wins, 1 loss by 14+ (to Illinois!!!!), 2 bad losses
Notre Dame... 3 top 25 wins, 0 losses by 14+, 2 bad losses

Every team but Duke has a blowout loss on their resume. There is only one quality win among all 4 of those teams (USC over Stanford)... Notre Dame has three by itself. The teams are basically ordered on "bad losses"... heavily penalization for losing to unranked teams, no penalization for losing to ranked teams seems to be how things are ordered.
 

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Scottt Van Pelt replied:

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@JKuehn1 didn't lost to Michigan and Pitt ?

What should I say back in 140 characters or less?

Yes, we did. But didn't we beat...

You know what to say. Just get it within 140 characters.
 
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@notthefakeSVP Would #TexasAM would beat Mich/Pitt? Look at WINS. #ND beat ASU, USC, Michigan St. #AM best wins? Ole Miss, Vandy & Arkansas
 

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Texas A&M... 0 top 25 wins, 1 loss by 14+, no bad losses
UCLA... 0 top 25 wins, 2 losses by 14+, no bad losses
USC... 1 top 25 win, 1 loss by 14+, 1 bad loss
Duke... 0 top 25 wins, 0 losses by 14+, 2 bad losses
Cinci... 0 top 25 wins, 1 loss by 14+ (to Illinois!!!!), 2 bad losses
Notre Dame... 3 top 25 wins, 0 losses by 14+, 2 bad losses

Every team but Duke has a blowout loss on their resume. There is only one quality win among all 4 of those teams (USC over Stanford)... Notre Dame has three by itself. The teams are basically ordered on "bad losses"... heavily penalization for losing to unranked teams, no penalization for losing to ranked teams seems to be how things are ordered.

Send this. Bold the 3.
 

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Just going to encourage trollishness by getting into a twitter thing with ESPN people.

Good wins < bad losses. This is the world we're living in for CFB. The only college sport where SOS and quality wins might as well mean nothing compared to the "eye test."
 
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@JKuehn1 are you kidding? Iowa beat Michigan. Navy & UNC beat Pitt ND got benefit last year and didn't do much with it vs an sec team

He seems fixated on bad losses. If they give the benefit of the doubt to bad losses and good wins don't matter, there's no point.
 

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The only thing about UCLA is they don't have a bad loss, as SVP says. They only have one "good" win, Wisconsin. But there three loses are Stanford, Oregon and ASU. Three pretty good teams.

USC has one bad loss, WSU. The got smacked by ASU, but at least ASU is pretty good. They have one good win, over Stanford.

USC plays UCLA next. Regardless of how we are ranked now we would pass them with a win at Stanford, and they will be ahead of us is we lose vs Stanford. Depending on how close the two game our we would probably pass one of them even with a lose-- not that it matters-- we would both be unranked.

Duke does have two good wins: VT and Miami. (Maybe a bit generous with VT, but they were 14th when the lost to Duke). There two loses are bad, GT and Pitt in back to back weeks, but they haven't lose since Pitt on September 21st. The sure beat Navy much more convincingly than we did. Overall there schedule is kind of week, but still somewhat respectable.

If we beat Stanford, we will pass the loser of the UCF/ Louisville game.
Wouldn't be surprised at all if OU loses to OSU (at OSU). We would pass them if the lose and we win.

A&M are frauds propped up by last years success and Johnny AssHole. They haven't beat anyone. No worry they WILL lose to Mizzu this week. Again, if we beat Stanford, we pass them.

If either NIU or Fresno St. lose we pass them (though unlikely).

That gives us the possibility to move up 8-ish spots easy if we beat Stanford. That probably won't help us get to the top 14, which is the only case the rankings really matter. We could finish the season in the top 15 with a Bowl win.

My point: The exact order of the team 18-25 don't really matter right now. If we were 18 maybe we could make a run at someone like Fresno/Wisco/LSU/ NIU without having to counting on them to lose. But honestly we had our chance. We had to beat Pitt to be in that position [beat Stanford for a BCS]. We didn't. We're still ranked, and a win over Stanford would be HUGE. It probably won't help our bowl situation [unless absolute mayhem happens], but would be a great way to end the season.
 
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@notthefakeSVP Both have 3 losses, but #AM has ZERO quality wins #ND has 3. Quality W's might are meaningless compared to "eye test" I guess

That's all I got. I'll smolder the flame by saying 'bad losses is one point of view, but that just encourages poor scheduling. Fact is, AM has given no reason to think they'd beat pitt/mich, since ND has same recrord and has beaten BETTER teams
 

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Scott Van Pelt ‏@notthefakeSVP 22s

@JKuehn1 are you kidding? Iowa beat Michigan. Navy & UNC beat Pitt ND got benefit last year and didn't do much with it vs an sec team

He seems fixated on bad losses. If they give the benefit of the doubt to bad losses and good wins don't matter, there's no point.

Tell him to look at SOS. And we beat 2 teams in major conference championship games.
 
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