Autry Denson

[Irish YJ]

Probably more than he’d make if he was asked to leave at ND.

do folks really think he was asked to leave after the last two years of Josh and Dex?

 

[Irishbounty28]

No way Denson was asked to leave. Production has been great at the position and he is a Notre Dame legend!

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Make him a lifetime,... don’t even care, too important to my childhood and I’m a selfish bitch,....

^This for me also!


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[stlnd01]

This is a crazy stat. I'm not certain how much to credit Denson for it. But still...

"No Notre Dame running back has lost a fumble since the Boston College game in November of 2015."

https://www.onefootdown.com/2019/1/...on-on-way-out-another-job-charleston-southern

 

[NDVirginia19]

Maybe promise him Chip's job whenever he leaves?

 

[Bluto]

Running back recruiting has been subpar/bad (particularly considering the on the field production) the last few cycles. The chickens always seem come home to roost sooner or later at ND when that is the case.

 

[Irish#1]

NOOOO! Positioning himself for a salary increase at ND?

I bet he already makes more than the HC at CS. I didn't find the salary, but a quick google showed an assistant FB at CS is only making around 45K.

 

[ThePiombino]

I wonder if this is a Charlie Molnar like situation...

My first thoughts as well.

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Refresh my memory? Wasn't Molnar politely asked to find employment elsewhere? Do we really think that's what's happening with Denson? A ND man with impressive on-field production and development for his position group. Granted, recruiting has blown...

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

I bet he already makes more than the HC at CS. I didn't find the salary, but a quick google showed an assistant FB at CS is only making around 45K.

...Okay, the times I think hypothetically about what it would be like to coach, just got a whole lot easier to laugh at.

Denson is a ND legend, and the guys he's had on the roster have certainly performed admirably, but I agree with the subpar recruiting bit. You take a three star guy like Adams and turn him into a beast, you take a DB turned WR turned RB in Procise and he has an awesome career, and you have Dex...and the recruiting is till meh.

I'm not saying I want him to go, I'm a fan, but I don't think he's critical to the point that we need to lose sleep if he took a job elsewhere.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Maybe promise him Chip's job whenever he leaves?

SAY WHAT?

 

[NDMIA]

For those mentioning Tony Alford as a replacement, he has one year left on his deal, but he’s one of the highest paid RB coaches in the entire country and he’s recruited probably the best collection of talent at the RB position in the entire country except for Alabama. Ryan Day might change his staff but he’d be an idiot to get rid of Tony Alford.

2018: $525,000
2019: $525,000

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

For those mentioning Tony Alford as a replacement, he has one year left on his deal, but he’s one of the highest paid RB coaches in the entire country and he’s recruited probably the best collection of talent at the RB position in the entire country except for Alabama. Ryan Day might change his staff but he’d be an idiot to get rid of Tony Alford.

2018: $525,000
2019: $525,000

I am one of the posters that mentioned Alford...

However I never meant to imply that Day would axe Alford. I floated the idea that, Alford may (hopefully) want to change scenes with the "changes" (uncertainties/me too drama) that are going on in Columbus.

If (big if) ND were to match (or raise?) his salary, I wonder if he'd have any interest.

 

[Ndaccountant]

two articles (one more recent, the other a bit dated), would lead you to believe that the compensation there would be ~$250K - $300k level.

https://www.shreveporttimes.com/sto...ck-fobbs-pay-package-rank-swac-fcs/728561002/

http://www.aseaofred.com/scanning-fcs-coaches-salaries/

 

[BoredIrish]

Running back recruiting has been subpar/bad (particularly considering the on the field production) the last few cycles. The chickens always seem come home to roost sooner or later at ND when that is the case.

It's not just RB recruiting. Florida recruiting in general has been sub-par lately.

I think some of the talk about preferring Georgia players over Florida players is revisionist history. While Georgia players may be a better fit for ND, the state of Florida has too many talented kids. Where would ND have been last year without Dex and Coney?

I really feel like RB Coach is the one position where it shouldnt be hard to land a dynamic stud recruiter. I believe when Denson was hired, the runner up was Delland McCullough who eventually went on to SC and the NFL. I think there are other good RB coaches out there who could take Denson's place and be an improvement as a recruiter while also being strong developers of talent.

 

[Rizzophil]

It's not just RB recruiting. Florida recruiting in general has been sub-par lately.

I think some of the talk about preferring Georgia players over Florida players is revisionist history. While Georgia players may be a better fit for ND, the state of Florida has too many talented kids. Where would ND have been last year without Dex and Coney?

I really feel like RB Coach is the one position where it shouldnt be hard to land a dynamic stud recruiter. I believe when Denson was hired, the runner up was Delland McCullough who eventually went on to SC and the NFL. I think there are other good RB coaches out there who could take Denson's place and be an improvement as a recruiter while also being strong developers of talent.

Notre dame is intentionally recruiting Georgia more and Florida less

 

[NDMIA]

Notre dame is intentionally recruiting Georgia more and Florida less

A school I didn't end up at was recruiting me and said they pulled transcripts for the All Miami-Dade County teams (3 all county teams = 15 guys) and I was the only one who could even qualify academically for their school. Now, I can't paint a brush for the entire state of Florida, but a huge population of the big time college prospects that are playing high school football in Florida are not at all fits for Notre Dame and what they offer. When a Nicholas Petit-Frere comes along and goes to a really good academic school like Berkeley Prep, then you need to go after him. Chez Mellusi was a surprise that the coaching staff didn't love the fit because he came from Naples High School which is one of the better academic public schools in southern Florida, but the staff has shifted their focus to Georgia a ton. It makes sense because some of the private christian schools in Georgia are the best football teams in the state, whereas a lot of the best football schools in Florida are public schools where kids might not be academically challenged as much.

St. Thomas Aquinas - Good academically, private Catholic school, lets almost any kid in for football so you have to see transcripts on a case-by-case basis cause some are smart kids and others wouldn't be fits. Also, this program is owned by football factories so they get everyone

Trinity Christian - Good academically, see above for football factory ownership

Berkeley Prep - see Nicholas Petit-Frere

IMG Academy - lots of out-of-state kids, a lot of elite football players, and ND has some players from there in the past and present (Houston Griffith)

Most of it is going to be a case-by-case basis for Florida prospects because the recruiting battles are so difficult and not a lot of football programs down there produce consistently high academic fits for Notre Dame. Jaylen Harrell is a DE prospect that is from Berkeley Prep that could be a fit with Duke, UNC, and Michigan offers, Fred Davis II goes to a private christian school and has an offer from ND, and other guys will fit the profile, but ND is going to have a really hard time getting in on Florida kids when they don't have tons of pipelines down there because not many schools produce high academic, elite athletes every few years.

 

[KizerWilhelm]

I think some of the talk about preferring Georgia players over Florida players is revisionist history. While Georgia players may be a better fit for ND, the state of Florida has too many talented kids. Where would ND have been last year without Dex and Coney?

I don't think it's revisionist. The Atlanta area has a lot of Catholic schools with high 4* and 5* talent that are major personality fits with the Irish, and the focus on Georgia coincided with Georgia showing up on the schedule.

I don't know if there's been anything as blatant as a deemphasis on Florida, but...would you blame them? Florida breakdown:

2018:
Griffith (great, but basically a Chicago kid)
Austin (good so far, already in trouble)
Takacs
Wilkins

2017:
Hainsey (great, but again, basically a Pitt kid)
Gibbons
MacCollister (transfer)
White (yawn)

2016:
Jones Jr. (great)
Parker (transfer)
Jonathan Jones (yawn)
Studstill (2016 would've been even worse without him, but ultimately, yawn)
Perry (transfer)
Stepherson (kicked out)
McIntosh (kicked out)

2015:
Dex (great, but still got in trouble)
Coney (great)

2014:
Holmes (transfer)

That ain't great.

 

[ab2cmiller]

Coney was in trouble too. He really matured and ended up being a great representative of ND.

 

[stlnd01]

Our success rate in Florida makes California look like a Land of Plenty. Yes Dex and Coney were great but agree there are better fits, generally, in Atlanta private school leagues. And IMG doesn’t really count.

Either way, if Denson were to go I’d definitely see if Alford wants back. I don’t think it matters where he recruits. He’ll get players.

 

[dublinirish]

Alford himself should really go for that HC job, he's way more qualified than Denson

 

[GBdomer]

One of the reasons Alford left was Urban made him an assistant head coach and BK wouldn't go that far if I remember correctly. Give Alford whatever he wants and make him an associated head coach. I don't think either are A coaches but I believe Denson is a better coach but we could use Alford for recruiting and being in living rooms. He was amazing at that

 

[Luckylucci]

One of the reasons Alford left was Urban made him an assistant head coach and BK wouldn't go that far if I remember correctly. Give Alford whatever he wants and make him an associated head coach. I don't think either are A coaches but I believe Denson is a better coach but we could use Alford for recruiting and being in living rooms. He was amazing at that

Elston already is and I'd take Elston over Alford everyday.

 

[GBdomer]

Elston already is and I'd take Elston over Alford everyday.

Damn I forgot about that, three years ago I would have called you crazy. But what Elston has done lately has just been awesome.

 

[IrishLion]

Via Sampson and some other folks, BK already has a list lined up for replacing Denson, and it would be from the Power 5 ranks.

Maybe Alford is already lined up, but that doesn't match the "interesting" chatter that people keep referencing. It's either gonna be a big splash, or a big curveball.

 

[IrishLion]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Can confirm the report from <a href="https://twitter.com/TomLoy247?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TomLoy247</a> that Notre Dame RB coach Autry Denson is a candidate for the HC opening at Charleston Southern. <br><br>Unclear of his position in FCS program’s process, but expect Notre Dame to move quickly if Denson departs with an established Power 5 RB coach.</p>— Pete Sampson (@PeteSampson_) <a href="https://twitter.com/PeteSampson_/status/1083156635831410688?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 10, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[zelezo vlk]

Damn I forgot about that, three years ago I would have called you crazy. But what Elston has done lately has just been awesome.

Man, wouldn't it be nice though if he were a long time DL coach for the Irish? Like Joe Yonto back in the 60s and 70s at ND, or even Larry Johnson for PSU.

 

[GBdomer]

I know Sampson was close with Alford, maybe it's him? It's GBdomers January wish

 

[KizerWilhelm]

...expect Notre Dame to move quickly if Denson departs with an established Power 5 RB coach.

It could be just awkwardly phrased, but that sounds like they have one guy in mind, and that would scream Alford.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

One of the reasons Alford left was Urban made him an assistant head coach and BK wouldn't go that far if I remember correctly. Give Alford whatever he wants and make him an associated head coach. I don't think either are A coaches but I believe Denson is a better coach but we could use Alford for recruiting and being in living rooms. He was amazing at that

He accepted the offer before BK could make a counter-offer with potential promotion.

 

[BoredIrish]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Can confirm the report from <a href="https://twitter.com/TomLoy247?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TomLoy247</a> that Notre Dame RB coach Autry Denson is a candidate for the HC opening at Charleston Southern. <br><br>Unclear of his position in FCS program’s process, but expect Notre Dame to move quickly if Denson departs with an established Power 5 RB coach.</p>— Pete Sampson (@PeteSampson_) <a href="https://twitter.com/PeteSampson_/status/1083156635831410688?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 10, 2019</a></blockquote>
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This is why I think Denson was "encouraged" to seek another position.

This is all speculation, but why would BK have a replacement in mind if Denson hasnt even gone anywhere yet?