All Things Star Wars Thread (Spoilers)

[IrishLion]

I thought I caught the Willhelm Scream during BB8’s run in the AT-ST?

Maybe I’m conflating that with having watched the others.

 

[Cackalacky]

Loves it. Empire, Last Jedi..........everything else. No wonder Rian Johnson got his own trilogy. That was a real dense movie. Still processing it but my whole family loved it.

 

[Cackalacky]

If you guys thought that movie sucked, I can only assume you’re giving ANH and RotJ a pass because you saw them when you were kids and refuse to watch with a critical eye now... they have as many plot holes, lack of character development, etc.

And this trilogy’s plot was dictated by the original trilogy. It is literally the most realistic continuation of the previous plot. Vader and the Emperor going down isn’t “ring in the volcano.” The rest of the Empire isn’t tied to the spirit of Palpatine, and the hundreds of Star Destroyers and thousands of Empire officers aren’t going to explode or fall into a newly-formed chasm as the Emperor’s spirit dies and his tower falls.

Absolutely. The star wars movies are not masterpieces. They arent even excellently done. It seems to me that people are wanting a Citizen Kane of Godfather Part II space opera. They are kids movies. I disagree with many things I have read catching up in this thread. It saddens me that people cant sit back and just be. The last 40 minutes is probably the best shit ever put in a Star Wars movie. My man wife was crying about Luke. I was gasping when Projection Luke showed up, they blasted the shit out of him and after the dust settles he walks out into the red soil that looked like a huge wound openly bleedng from the cave. That was the most baller shit ever. There is a ton of huge symbolic call backs and references, tones, feels, and none of that is undone by Rose's crushing on hero Finn.

Spoiler alert: The Star Wars Universe exists outside of the Skywalker family Sqwabble even if they are a huge part of the story

 

[Cackalacky]

I submit this movie can be nullified from SW canon. My case?

Exhibit 1- no Wilhelm scream
Exhibit 2- no 1138 reference
Exhibit 3- “I have a bad feeling about this” absent

The prosecution rests.

These are valid criticisms. They did call the falcon a piece of junk though. Bonus points there.

 

[Irishnuke]

Absolutely. The star wars movies are not materpieces. They arent even excellently done. It seems to me that people are wanting a Citizen Kane of Godfather Part II space opera. They are kids movies. I disagree with many things I have read catching up in this thread. It saddens me that people cant sit back and just be. The last 40 minutes is probably the best shit ever put in a Star Wars movie. My man wife was crying about Luke. I was gasping when Projection Luke showed up, they blasted the shit out of him and after the dust settles he walks out into the red soil that looked like a huge wound openly bleedng from the cave. That was the most baller shit ever. There is a ton of huge symbolic call backs and references, tones, feels, and none of that is undone by Rose's crushing on hero Finn.

Spoiler alert: The Star Wars Universe exists outside of the Skywalker family Sqwabble even if they are a huge part of the story

Oh man, that's going to trigger some fanboys.

Tell your man wife to man up.

 

[GATTACA!]

I submit this movie can be nullified from SW canon. My case?

Exhibit 1- no Wilhelm scream
Exhibit 2- no 1138 reference
Exhibit 3- “I have a bad feeling about this” absent

The prosecution rests.

1. As someone else said pretty sure the Wilhelm scream was used right as BB-8 was shown in the AT-ST

2. Idk about this one but i'd be surprised if it isn't found in there somewhere.

3. Poe says it pretty early on.

 

[IrishLion]

That’s not bad!

When I was young, I had an action figure of one of Palpatine’s elite Guards. They had similar red armor. It was always my favorite design for a character.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Snoke biggest character back story void in star wars history?

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[FightingIrishLover7]

I'm expecting better plots. Disney was given the best fictional universe in the world and they blew it.

The Last Jedi sucked. It's really that simple. Its lows outweighed its highs and 100% Disney's fault.

I really don't see how this movie was any more cliche/bland/predictable than the OT... I love Star Wars to the next level, but let's not act like it's some divine entity.

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[FightingIrishLover7]

After giving it several hours to marinate, I’m actually starting to hate the film. I almost don’t give two shits about episode 9 now. It’s like, who cares what happens next. I’m not really invested in Rey at all, especially if she really is nobody in particular. Snoke was basically a worthless charachter. Kylo REN, the petulant brat, is in charge of the enemy. Well, shit, we know that won’t last, he’s a chump. And Luke, before Dying for no reason, declares Rey the Jedi heir, yet, he trained her for maybe 3 days. I tried really hard to just go with it on the prequels, awakens and rogue one gave me hope, but this thing is just a sack of shit now.

Not invested in Rey because she's a no one?

Wasn't Anikan also born from a "no one"? I'm baffled if you don't see the importance / symbolism behind that... Not very complicated stuff here lol.

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[ShamrockOnHelmet]

1. As someone else said pretty sure the Wilhelm scream was used right as BB-8 was shown in the AT-ST

2. Idk about this one but i'd be surprised if it isn't found in there somewhere.

3. Poe says it pretty early on.

No, Poe does not say it.

 

[Cackalacky]

That's pretty awesome!

How old is he?

Ten. He's got some really good things for such a young buck.

 

[Cackalacky]

Mutliple thoughts now that i have slept on it:

Rey stole the Jedi books before Yoda torched the tree with force lightning.

Rey had a personal failing in the cave like Luke had in the Dagobah cave.

The entire movie was about the conflict in achieving balance, not balance itself. Mutiple characters are out of balance relative to their counterpart. They (Disney) teased it was going to be about bringing things into balance. Seems that it is more about the inevitability of imbalance. Poe vs Leia and purple head, Rey vs the force, Kylo vs his past, Snoke versus his ego, Luke vs his past, master vs student

Last battle had the feel and look of Hoth.

Lukes multiple costume changes has me questioning much of his state of mind throughout the movie. He changes from grey yo dark multiple times. Rey also transitioned fro grey to darker clothes during the movie much like Luke transitioned over the OT. Synonmous IMO with imbalance.

Loved Yoda. Loved that he chided Luke for his original failings as a student and their importance as a source of learning by master and student.

People complaining about the casino world are missing several things I believe (or at least being far too critical and dismissive). Look at the story that was told while they were on the planet. It added a new planet to the universe. It added depth to the story about the First Order's impacts. It added depth about war profiteering on both sides of the conflict and emphasized that imbalance is virtuality unavoidable. Rose and Finn restored some balance in freeing the animals and ending a cruel practice for example. I think it was a necessary diversion to the overall Star Wars universe Disney is expanding on even though it wasnt absolutely necessary to move the story along.

 

[Buster Bluth]

That’s not bad!

When I was young, I had an action figure of one of Palpatine’s elite Guards. They had similar red armor. It was always my favorite design for a character.

Real badasses had the Mirco Machines head:

 

[Buster Bluth]

Absolutely. The star wars movies are not masterpieces. They arent even excellently done. It seems to me that people are wanting a Citizen Kane of Godfather Part II space opera. They are kids movies. I disagree with many things I have read catching up in this thread. It saddens me that people cant sit back and just be. The last 40 minutes is probably the best shit ever put in a Star Wars movie. My man wife was crying about Luke. I was gasping when Projection Luke showed up, they blasted the shit out of him and after the dust settles he walks out into the red soil that looked like a huge wound openly bleedng from the cave. That was the most baller shit ever. There is a ton of huge symbolic call backs and references, tones, feels, and none of that is undone by Rose's crushing on hero Finn.

Spoiler alert: The Star Wars Universe exists outside of the Skywalker family Sqwabble even if they are a huge part of the story

This is a total copout defense when they make bad movies. Lucas wouldn't have been bummed about not getting an Oscar in 1977 if he was just making a kids movie.

You can make a movie kids will really enjoy in any setting. They didn't need to lazily rehash the previous trilogy for the purpose of making it something kids will enjoy. Kids will enjoy any explosions and sword fights. Transformers shows us how low the bar is for kids.

 

[Cackalacky]

This is a total copout defense when they make bad movies. Lucas wouldn't have been bummed about not getting an Oscar in 1977 if he was just making a kids movie.

You can make a movie kids will really enjoy in any setting. They didn't need to lazily rehash the previous trilogy for the purpose of making it something kids will enjoy. Kids will enjoy any explosions and sword fights. Transformers shows us how low the bar is for kids.

I am not defending it. It doesnt need defending as it it is an opinion that it is a bad movie. Its neither a good or bad movie. Its a movie and what matters to me is did I enjoy it. What needs defending are fanboys and neckbeards butt hutt emotional investment in the franchise.

 

[GATTACA!]

No, Poe does not say it.

You're right. I just looked it up. Poe doesn't say it, BB-8 says it in the opening scene. Rian Johnson confirmed that's the line Poe responded to with "Happy beeps buddy." and then Leia says "I'm with the droid on this one."

 

[Shamrock Theories]

People complaining about the casino world are missing several things I believe (or at least being far too critical and dismissive). Look at the story that was told while they were on the planet. It added a new planet to the universe. It added depth to the story about the First Order's impacts. It added depth about war profiteering on both sides of the conflict and emphasized that imbalance is virtuality unavoidable. Rose and Finn restored some balance in freeing the animals and ending a cruel practice for example. I think it was a necessary diversion to the overall Star Wars universe Disney is expanding on even though it wasnt absolutely necessary to move the story along.

What are you talking about LOL. The entire sequence was absurd just deal with it

 

[RDU Irish]

I enjoyed it - would rather they expanded on Snoke or something instead of the silly run to Monte Carlo. That added next to nothing for me and the Rose character seems nothing more than pandering to international ticket sales. Political statements were stupid and the codebreaker forced into the storyline. Just felt sloppy and unnecessary.

Rey’s bloodlines are not shut down, IMO. Plenty to work with and I could see Snoke manipulating that truth as part of his manipulation of Ben. He seemed happy to discard Ben with Rey in hand - fueling Ben’s move to take over versus taking a back seat. Vader was a servant - and Kylo wants to be more than Vader...

Loved the Falcon reentry BTW - interesting Rey was on blasters and Chewy piloting. She was sharp shooting like a MFer though. Jedi books were shown on board.

I hope they put a few years b/w this and the next one’s storyline. This seemed to chronicle maybe 48 hours and picked up immediately from TFA - doesn’t allow characters to mature and leaves nothing to the imagination.

 

[RDU Irish]

What are you talking about LOL. The entire sequence was absurd just deal with it

Whole sequence was pre-quel worthy at my first take. Even without Jar Jar. Not to mention showing that ship get away but nobody else can evacuate?

 

[gkIrish]

The more I think about the movie, the more I just remember all the bad parts. You could animate some of those scenes and make a Family Guy episode out of it. Seriously, imagine Lois being in a ship, it exploding, and then her just like floating back into the ship unharmed.

Imagine Chris milking some cow then chugging the milk.

Imagine Quagmire as Hux having the conversation in the beginning.

It's not even a reach.

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

The more I think about the movie, the more I just remember all the bad parts. You could animate some of those scenes and make a Family Guy episode out of it. Seriously, imagine Lois being in a ship, it exploding, and then her just like floating back into the ship unharmed.

Imagine Chris milking some cow then chugging the milk.

Imagine Quagmire as Hux having the conversation in the beginning.

It's not even a reach.

^^^^^^^^ this
Also, I can see a family guy moment where no one can agree on the Luke attacks Kylo in his sleep before he did anything wrong sequence. The damn thing is an abomination.

 

[RDU Irish]

So a MIllenium Falcon toy has three scrorched black marks on the top so I was waiting to see how it was damaged but don’t recall seeing that in the flick. Would they release toys two years in advance or what? VI is where the Falcon lost the dish so would rhyme if some damage came in IX.

Feel like Chewy is being set up for the Solo movie - played up the crossbow in TFA and serious piloting skills in this one.

 

[GATTACA!]

^^^^^^^^ this
Also, I can see a family guy moment where no one can agree on the Luke attacks Kylo in his sleep before he did anything wrong sequence. The damn thing is an abomination.

I feel sorry for you guys lol.

 

[Domina Nostra]

Huge Star Wars fan and I just saw the movie.

If you don't give two craps about SW it might have been pretty entertaining at parts, and was sometimes cool to look at.

If you are a SW fan, it's tragically, epically bad. But not in a Prequel trilogy kind of way. Those were at least bad movies in the SW universe. This movie was incredibly bad on every level, seemed indifferent to the broader story (especially TFA), and actually killed every avenue for a potentially interesting finale.

Almost every single decision in the movie either undermines an interesting plot line, sucked, or just made no sense. It either falls apart or is boring and pointless. It's crucial not to think about anything that happens, or it instantly crumbles as worthless.

I don't understand how I could possibly care about what happens in that idiotic universe they've created.

It's hard to understand how they recover from this.

 

[calvegas04]

Just saw it and really enjoyed it and I am a huge SW fan. Disappointment they din't spend more time on one of the new planets. End battle could have been a little better. Thought I read Calrissian was going to be in the movie but guess I read wrong.

 

[Buster Bluth]

Huge Star Wars fan and I just saw the movie.

If you don't give two craps about SW it might have been pretty entertaining at parts, and was sometimes cool to look at.

If you are a SW fan, it's tragically, epically bad. But not in a Prequel trilogy kind of way. Those were at least bad movies in the SW universe. This movie was incredibly bad on every level, seemed indifferent to the broader story (especially TFA), and actually killed every avenue for a potentially interesting finale.

Almost every single decision in the movie either undermines an interesting plot line, sucked, or just made no sense. It either falls apart or is boring and pointless. It's crucial not to think about anything that happens, or it instantly crumbles as worthless.

I don't understand how I could possibly care about what happens in that idiotic universe they've created.

It's hard to understand how they recover from this.

So you're saying it's a Marvelesque rollercoaster that may have forever ruined Star Wars?!

Yuppp!

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

I feel sorry for you guys lol.

Likewise

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Am I the only Star Wars fan that thinks that all of the movies are cheesy/cliche?

I don't see how this movie is any worse/better than previous movies. All the movies (except for maybe the prequels) are more or less the same thing... Balance of good/bad, gunslinger/leader, impulsive/wisdom...etc.

If anything, one of my biggest complaints about the whole series is the reincarnation of the same story over and over again... First, Luke, then Anikan, now Rey...

As much as I love these movies (and still do) to judge one better than the other is pretty silly when they're all silly movies.

 

[IrishLion]

Am I the only Star Wars fan that thinks that all of the movies are cheesy/cliche?

I don't see how this movie is any worse/better than previous movies. All the movies (except for maybe the prequels) are more or less the same thing... Balance of good/bad, gunslinger/leader, impulsive/wisdom...etc.

If anything, one of my biggest complaints about the whole series is the reincarnation of the same story over and over again... First, Luke, then Anikan, now Rey...

As much as I love these movies (and still do) to judge one better than the other is pretty silly when they're all silly movies.

Nah you're right lol. The original trilogy is just as flawed as the current generation of films, but the original trilogy was "original," so people have a tough time putting it under the same microscope that they'll put the new films under.

The only thing about the originals that stands out is there wasn't too much "filler." The casino scene in TLJ would be "filler" for me... but I wasn't offended by the fact that it was in there. It showed us something different, introduced some new wildlife from the SW universe, and introduced future Resistance fighters and younglings.

I can't think of anything from the original trilogy that could have been cut or condensed the way the casino scene could have. The original films didn't waste time and got to the point.

One thing that stands out to me on the flip side is how much more depth Rey has as a character as opposed to Luke from the original trilogy, and how much stronger Ridley is as an actor than Hamill was back in the day.