All Things Star Wars Thread (Spoilers)

[IrishLion]

I think what's really getting at me is frustration with how much the new trilogy sucks from the top down.

They rebooted the original trilogy and it never made sense to me. The Rebels beat an apparently unpopular Empire and then in Episode VII we went right back to Empire 2.0 having the Rebels 2.0 against the wall.

IMO they should have gone with a Lord of the Rings route and told a story about an evil on the rise. A rocky but workable peace post-Empire and a dark order of sorts that threatens what they've worked so hard to restore. Instead we have a trilogy that essentially makes the OG trilogy worthless, we're right back where we started. It's lazy.

This whole thing is unoriginal shit and not any more appreciable than the prequels. As a huuuuuuge Star Wars fan when I was younger this is probably the most frustrated with I've ever been with a movie franchise.

I mean, if you think about it though, the rebels didn't really *beat* the Empire the first time around... they killed the Emperor, creating enough chaos within the power structure to allow the temporary/small return of the Republic. It took some time, but the remnants of the Empire were simply reborn under new leadership after Snoke rose up to fill the power vacuum.

Seems like a pretty reasonable course of events over a 30+ year period. There was plenty of Empire tech, and plenty of powerful dudes still in the Empire, to get things turned around enough to bat the Republic back into submission (and ultimately destroy it totally).

The story you're looking for is told in the "Aftermath" novels. It's there, just not on film.

 

[Buster Bluth]

I mean, if you think about it though, the rebels didn't really *beat* the Empire the first time around... they killed the Emperor, creating enough chaos within the power structure to allow the temporary/small return of the Republic. It took some time, but the remnants of the Empire were simply reborn under new leadership after Snoke rose up to fill the power vacuum.

Seems like a pretty reasonable course of events over a 30+ year period. There was plenty of Empire tech, and plenty of powerful dudes still in the Empire, to get things turned around enough to bat the Republic back into submission (and ultimately destroy it totally).

The story you're looking for is told in the "Aftermath" novels. It's there, just not on film.

Nah, the point of beating Palpatine and Vader is a "ring in the volcano" moment. That's the drama of it all. That's why the celebrations at the end (even extended to reiterate a widespread celebration) were there. It was never a "oh boy now the real work starts..."

I didn't want a trilogy on the rebuild, over 30+ years they can skip all that. It's just so lazy to say "annnd that's all meaningless the bad guys are back on top! What happens next?!" And the joke of it is that they don't even explain how it all happened other than words on the opening crawl. WHO THE HELL IS SNOKE?

 

[wizards8507]

Nah, the point of beating Palpatine and Vader is a "ring in the volcano" moment. That's the drama of it all. That's why the celebrations at the end (even extended to reiterate a widespread celebration) were there. It was never a "oh boy now the real work starts..."

I didn't want a trilogy on the rebuild, over 30+ years they can skip all that. It's just so lazy to say "annnd that's all meaningless the bad guys are back on top! What happens next?!" And the joke of it is that they don't even explain how it all happened over than words on the opening crawl. WHO THE HELL IS SNOKE?

Go watch Empire or even ROTJ and tell me who the Emperor is and how he came to power. You can't. He's just the Emperor. You have no idea that Darth Sidious murdered Darth Plageuis the Wise until Episode III. Snoke is Snoke. That's all that matters.

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[Buster Bluth]

TIL: There 0 reason to train in the ways of the Jedi, if you are just force sensitive you can..

Fly through space

Lift literal tons of rocks

Disarm a jedi master

Blow metal doors off a space ship

Defeat the most elite first order fighting squadron shown on screen

Great Reddit comment.

Rey's Mary Sue abilities are a joke too.

 

[Buster Bluth]

Go watch Empire or even ROTJ and tell me who the Emperor is and how he came to power. You can't. He's just the Emperor. You have no idea that Darth Sidious murdered Darth Plageuis the Wise until Episode III. Snoke is Snoke. That's all that matters.

Because it wasn't important for the OG trilogy. That trilogy wasn't building on top of anything. He could get away with a mysterious background.

Snoke has no excuse for that bullshit and neither does this trilogy.

 

[Shamrock Theories]

Just got back. Holy hell

I was really disappointed by Ep 7, so my expectations were low but somehow I was STILL disappointed

What a disgrace

 

[wizards8507]

What group is trolling The Last Jedi's audience score on Rotten Tomatoes? It's lower than The Phantom Menace.

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[GATTACA!]

Because it wasn't important for the OG trilogy. That trilogy wasn't building on top of anything. He could get away with a mysterious background.

Snoke has no excuse for that bullshit and neither does this trilogy.

What a waste all those WW1 heros were. They shouldn't have wasted their time since it was all pointless a few years later.

 

[GATTACA!]

What group is trolling The Last Jedi's audience score on Rotten Tomatoes? It's lower than The Phantom Menace.

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Yeah something funky has to be going on.

For reference Battleship (2012) had a 54% audience score.

 

[Buster Bluth]

What a waste all those WW1 heros were. They shouldn't have wasted their time since it was all pointless a few years later.

Not even close to comparable. This is entertainment and we went from 1918 to 1941 and the war played out the exact same way, down the the maneuvers. TFA and ANH were the same movie chief.

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[GATTACA!]

Not even close to comparable. This is entertainment and we went from 1918 to 1941 and the war played out the exact same way, down the the maneuvers. TFA and ANH were the same movie chief.

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What a waste all those ANH heros were. They shouldn't have wasted their time since it was all pointless a few years later.

ROTJ RUINED ANH!

 

[Buster Bluth]

What a waste all those ANH heros were. They shouldn't have wasted their time since it was all pointless a few years later.

ROTJ RUINED ANH!

Im sorry the movie sucked. Really I am. It's my fault.

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[IrishLion]

Im sorry the movie sucked. Really I am. It's my fault.

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You having problems with the plot =\= “the movie sucked”

There’s some bad stuff in it, but there was some bad stuff in the original trilogy, too. But we don’t hold those bad things against the original trilogy, because reasons.

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

After giving it several hours to marinate, I’m actually starting to hate the film. I almost don’t give two shits about episode 9 now. It’s like, who cares what happens next. I’m not really invested in Rey at all, especially if she really is nobody in particular. Snoke was basically a worthless charachter. Kylo REN, the petulant brat, is in charge of the enemy. Well, shit, we know that won’t last, he’s a chump. And Luke, before Dying for no reason, declares Rey the Jedi heir, yet, he trained her for maybe 3 days. I tried really hard to just go with it on the prequels, awakens and rogue one gave me hope, but this thing is just a sack of shit now.

 

[Shamrock Theories]

After giving it several hours to marinate, I’m actually starting to hate the film. I almost don’t give two shits about episode 9 now. It’s like, who cares what happens next. I’m not really invested in Rey at all, especially if she really is nobody in particular. Snoke was basically a worthless charachter. Kylo REN, the petulant brat, is in charge of the enemy. Well, shit, we know that won’t last, he’s a chump. And Luke, before Dying for no reason, declares Rey the Jedi heir, yet, he trained her for maybe 3 days. I tried really hard to just go with it on the prequels, awakens and rogue one gave me hope, but this thing is just a sack of shit now.

Yup. Depressing. We'll always have the OT

 

[Irishnuke]

Saw it this morning. I definitely enjoyed it. I'm not a rabid fanboy like some of you guys though. I didn't care for the Finn and Rose adventure though. I honestly didn't give a shit about her character and it felt like Finn was friendzoning her the whole time. Plus, I guess this is just me being shallow, she's not the least bit attractive. I was actually pissed when she stopped Finn from blowing up the lame cannon laser thing. Not that I wanted him to die, but I thought it would be a noble way to go out.

This might be neg-rep worthy to some of you, but I can't stand Leia now, or rather I can't stand Carrie Fisher's acting. She was great in the original trilogy, but was terrible in TFA and not good in TLJ. I just don't think she's a very good actress. The scene where she uses the force was terrible. I really thought they should have killed her off.

Kylo Ren and Rey were great. I really thought the scenes where they were force connected were really cool. The way he killed Snoke was awesome. The light saber fights with the red guys (I'm a casual) was pretty bad ass. It does seem like Kylo BenRen should have been able to handle them a lot more easily though.

Who tf is Snoke? The death was satisfying but getting no background on him wasn't.

I was very surprised that Rey's parents were just nobody shitbags. I was initially upset about it but I guess it makes sense when Luke talks about the force not being exclusive to the Jedis or something like that.

Mark Hamill did a great job. I liked the twist with Luke contemplating killing BenRen.

Admiral Hodor was pretty annoying until she drove the ship through the first order's ship at light speed. I honestly thought she was a traitor until that happened. That scene was amazing. I'm pretty sure it would have have killed everyone on board but then there wouldn't be an episode 9.

What else? I chuckled at the time but I didn't really like the exchange between Poe and Hux. Not sure why you're cracking jokes when you're about to get almost all of your people killed.

That's my collection of random thoughts for now.

 

[GATTACA!]

Im sorry the movie sucked. Really I am. It's my fault.

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Just think it's a silly complaint. What were you expecting from a new set of films? Star Wars ultimately is a giant space opera. It's good vs evil at its core. Idk what new conflict they could have come up with that would make you feel as though the OT wasn't a waste if that's your mentality.

Han Luke and Leia saved the galaxy from destruction and the galactic empire. Why does that peace have to last forever for their actions to be meaningful?

 

[SonofOahu]

Wont post spoilers, but that one Carrie Fischer scene was the most rediculous in the entire saga. Even more than anything Jar Jar or young anakin.

This is the spoiler thread, discuss away. That suuuuucked. In the novels and whatnot, they've been laying the groundwork for Leia using the Force but that scene gets an F- for execution.

I don't know if I loved that movie or hated it.

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Yeah, I wasn't a fan. I went from "awww" to "wuuuuuuuttt???"

 

[SonofOahu]

Saw the movie, last night, and came out thinking "well, that was good, but not great." I didn't like the way the film just sprinted through some major points without even breaking stride. The beginning felt like crappy ESB v.2: hidden base escape, chase scene, jedi training, etc.

Then the major battle started, and the movie redeemed itself. I thought the Snoke death was totally anticlimactic, just like Darth Maul in Ep 1. How does a supposed bad-ass get killed so easily?

I liked the comedic elements. Luke tossing the saber was fantastic. The Porg scene with Chewie trying to eat made me lose my shit. Rey accidentally cutting the rock formation was also hilarious.

The saber battle with the red guards was the best in all SW movies. The warp speed "attack" on Snoke's ship was beautiful. I loved the way the movie went silent, then the sonic boom hit after the impact. Fantastic.

Luke's final scene was outstanding. The basics of the fight were very "Eastern." As a student of martial arts, it was nice to see a battle happen on an almost ethereal-plane. In some sense, it was reminiscent of Jet Li and Donnie Yen's scene in "Hero".

Also, the song "The Spark" has quickly become one of my favorite SW songs from the entire library of songs:

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[Buster Bluth]

Just think it's a silly complaint. What were you expecting from a new set of films? Star Wars ultimately is a giant space opera. It's good vs evil at its core. Idk what new conflict they could have come up with that would make you feel as though the OT wasn't a waste if that's your mentality.

Han Luke and Leia saved the galaxy from destruction and the galactic empire. Why does that peace have to last forever for their actions to be meaningful?

I'm expecting better plots. Disney was given the best fictional universe in the world and they blew it.

The Last Jedi sucked. It's really that simple. Its lows outweighed its highs and 100% Disney's fault.

 

[SonofOahu]

Does anyone actually believe what Kylo said about Rey's parentage?

I did... it made perfect sense as a nice curveball to throw at the viewers.

Everyone spent two years wondering who her parents were, preparing themselves for the cliche that it would be Luke, hoping it would be something else more unexpected and epic.

Making them some drunk nobodies makes sense in terms of Rey's character, I think. She has no predisposition to aggression or light. She has no internal conflict based on heritage.

When she was meditating during her first lesson with Luke, she was at peace when she felt the balance inside of her. She tapped into the balance of everything, even the dark part of the island. Luke was frightened that she didn't resist it, but why would she? She doesn't know anything, either consciously or within her DNA as a Force user.

She is a blank slate, being used by the Force. Maybe she is the chosen one?

Now that I type all this, she's probably Kylo's sister.

I believe it. But somewhere deep down I don't want to.

Idk, it makes sense to me.

I believe it. Anakin's mom was a slave.

 

[phillyirish]

Disney basically uses the same formula for Star Wars as they do for the Marvel films: have some charismatic characters/actors, spectacular battle/action sequences, mixed with some mood killing childish attempts at comedy to fill a largely empty plot.

Finn and Rose story arc was good for one thing: Giving me opportune chances to run to the bathroom during a 2.5 hour movie.

The casino scene seemed nothing but a political slant. Shit on the wealthy elite, military industrial complex, animal rights etc.... obviously stretching a bit but it was there and annoying. I’m not even against the views they were just forced just like the comedy.

Love the bold move to go the whole movie without a light saber duel. And I mean lightsaber vs lightsaber (luke/ren flashback doesn’t count).

 

[IrishLion]

If you guys thought that movie sucked, I can only assume you’re giving ANH and RotJ a pass because you saw them when you were kids and refuse to watch with a critical eye now... they have as many plot holes, lack of character development, etc.

And this trilogy’s plot was dictated by the original trilogy. It is literally the most realistic continuation of the previous plot. Vader and the Emperor going down isn’t “ring in the volcano.” The rest of the Empire isn’t tied to the spirit of Palpatine, and the hundreds of Star Destroyers and thousands of Empire officers aren’t going to explode or fall into a newly-formed chasm as the Emperor’s spirit dies and his tower falls.

 

[wizards8507]

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[Shamrock Theories]

If you guys thought that movie sucked, I can only assume you’re giving ANH and RotJ a pass because you saw them when you were kids and refuse to watch with a critical eye now... they have as many plot holes, lack of character development, etc.

And this trilogy’s plot was dictated by the original trilogy. It is literally the most realistic continuation of the previous plot. Vader and the Emperor going down isn’t “ring in the volcano.” The rest of the Empire isn’t tied to the spirit of Palpatine, and the hundreds of Star Destroyers and thousands of Empire officers aren’t going to explode or fall into a newly-formed chasm as the Emperor’s spirit dies and his tower falls.

What are you babbling about? This is 30 YEARS after the OT lmao

 

[Buster Bluth]

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I really enjoyed The Force Awakens but I made a prediction that it wouldn't have much staying power given that it's a unapologetic reboot of A New Hope.

I was really let down by The Last Jedi and I'll made a prediction now that it simply won't redeem itself with time. There are plenty of people out there like me who think this is the movie where Disney started to just put Star Wars skin on a Marvel movie, right after they put new Star Wars skin on a previous Star Wars movie.

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[wizards8507]

I really enjoyed The Force Awakens but I made a prediction that it wouldn't have much staying power given that it's a unapologetic reboot of A New Hope.

I was really let down by The Last Jedi and I'll made a prediction now that it simply won't redeem itself with time. There are plenty of people out there like me who think this is the movie where Disney started to just put Star Wars skin on a Marvel movie, right after they put new Star Wars skin on a previous Star Wars movie.

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Watch it again and let us know if it changes anything for you. I went from lukewarm to enthusiastically positive upon second viewing and I'm seeing a lot of similar sentiment on Twitter.

The people who REALLY hate it seem to be the old EU fans who are butthurt that Luke isn't an OP Mary Sue god king.

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[TDHeysus]

Does anyone actually believe what Kylo said about Rey's parentage?

I did not believe what Kylo ren said.....it was established in the movie at that point that Rey's weakness is finding her parents, I think Kylo Ren was just attempting to exploit that weakness. I thought Kylo's demeanor was very childish at that point as well, like a child lashing out telling another child something in an attempt to hurt them.

I thought the movie was pretty good and my initial response is very positive. I'll reserve my final feeling on it till after I see it again. However, there were a few things about the movie I thought were put in to politicize the movie, but I guess that is just the norm with Hollywood nowadays.

Laura Dern's character I thought was one of these 'politicizing of the movie' plot points. Why did she need to treat Poe the way she did? was it necessary? I understand that Poe is a 'loose cannon' and the scene earlier in the movie ppl were killed because of his over zealous action, but I just saw NO reason to hide the fact that escape pods/cloaking device plan was about to take place. There was not a possibility of sabotage at that point, I think it was a device to show Laura Dern's character as a 'woman in a position of authority, telling a man what to do' rather than to be true to the telling of the story. To be clear, I have no problem with a woman in a position of authority, unless I feel its a plot device that is being thrown in my face in unnecessary fashion. In the end this wasn't a huge issue for me, I am just nit picking some things about the movie. As I said, my initial reaction is very positive - I'll see it again prolly over Christmas break.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

All Things Star Wars Thread (Spoilers)

Dont want to crap all over it because I enjoyed it.

BUT IMO here is what went wrong:

1. This was a wasted opportunity. The storyline should have made this one an all-timer. The execution prevented that.

2. Way too many funny lines when there should not have been . Felt like a poor attempt to be GOG. SW is above this. A yo momma joke 3 minutes in. Really?

3. Snoke. Good lord man. Good lord. Was he about to do a bunch of coke at a 70s orgy? WTF was he wearing? Why was he so easy to kill but his guards borderline impossible to kill?

4. No true Jedi lightsaber battle

5. Lots of little scenes that confused the viewer or just looked bad (ex. Luke stops to milk a walrus looking thing so can look seductively at Rey while taking a drink from it. WTF man....)

6. I loled at the Rey parent reveal. It felt like Kylo Ren was breaking the fourth wall and talking to the audience

I dont want to go on too much about it but there is more.


*And yes Wiz the porgs were adorable. I had no problem with them.

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

I submit this movie can be nullified from SW canon. My case?

Exhibit 1- no Wilhelm scream
Exhibit 2- no 1138 reference
Exhibit 3- “I have a bad feeling about this” absent

The prosecution rests.