All Things Star Wars Thread (Spoilers)

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I mean are we just making things up now to have character reactions/motivations make sense?

Not meaning to be harsh to your suggestion, but at that point we could all pretend that Chewy just secretly disliked Han for years and was relieved when he died.

Good point, I think Chewy was tired of being a co-pilot his whole life and wanted the head gig. He probably told Han to go down there and "be a good father and talk to your son". Damn traitor dog.
 

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I don't disagree with any of these statements but your original comment was that the movie would be "unenjoyable" and the masses would "revolt." I don't think that's true at all. People wouldn't be happy about the death itself but the movie could still be very good.

Fair enough, but I'll wager 10,000,000,000.00 vbucks that it doesn't happen.
 

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My new favorite fan theory and plot twist has to be Darth Jar Jar.
It's stupi, but to make the most hated character ever the most evil would be so awesome.
 

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So I saw it again last night. A few observations:

I absolutely love the scene where Rey touches the light saber. Hearing both Yoda and Obi in the voices is way cool and the hand of Luke. It's just a great moment in the movie.

That view of the X-wings flying low across the water. Chills.

One thing about the Chewie reaction after Han's death. Realize that Chewie was probably very close to Ben when he was a child. After all, Ben is his best friend's only child. Chewie has to be conflicted in that situation.

I just do not see Rey being a Solo. The way Han and Leia act around her do not indicate it at all. I just don't see it.

C3PO has his regular colored arm back in the scene where Rey and Chewie are flying off to meet Luke. He is in the front row waiving and it's no longer red.

As has been mentioned by a few people. Rey is being dominated by Kylo during the fight scene. She is trying to only fight with the skills she grew up with and has used with the staff. The girl is very skilled with that staff. She doesn't start taking it to him until he has her backed up and he mentions the force. At that point she starts using both her expert skills and the force. That's when she dominates him. I don't see any problem with that.

I have to wait a year and a half? Ugh!

EDIT: This trip included the whole family and my seventeen YO daughter - who has never liked Star Wars and grumbled about having to go - absolutely loved it and wants to see it again.
 
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I really hope Rey is completely unrelated to all of the other characters.
 

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C3PO has his regular colored arm back in the scene where Rey and Chewie are flying off to meet Luke. He is in the front row waiving and it's no longer red.
There's another protocol droid in that scene that's entirely red. It looks like C-3PO had that droid's arm.

As has been mentioned by a few people. Rey is being dominated by Kylo during the fight scene. She is trying to only fight with the skills she grew up with and has used with the staff. The girl is very skilled with that staff. She doesn't start taking it to him until he has her backed up and he mentions the force. At that point she starts using both her expert skills and the force. That's when she dominates him. I don't see any problem with that.
Especially considering he had a nasty belly wound.
 

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I was reading through some of the extended canon sources and I found a point of clarity that makes the Resistance-versus-First Order stuff a little clearer. Apparently, the Resistance is not an official agent of the New Republic and does not have any kind of official charter from the Senate. The First Order has some territory and the New Republic has some territory, but Leia establishes the Resistance within First Order territory.

What The Hell Is The Story With The Resistance And The First Order In THE FORCE AWAKENS? | Birth.Movies.Death.
 
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Saw it last night and my thoughts:

Overall loved the movie because it took me back to my childhood.

The script too closely followed New Hope. Because the prequels sucked so bad, I think they leaned heavily on the same plot elements as the original series, but too much. In the next one they need to branch out a little bit and build a unique universe - after all this is the 'next generation' of Star Wars characters and should have their own story building on the old ones.

I was extremely disappointed that Han died. Not because I needed the legacy actors in this series, but because of all the legacy actors involved in this movie, he by FAR has the strongest screen presence and most unique character. He will be sorely missed, much more than if Leia or Luke had died.

Kylo Ren was a more complex character off the bat than previous villains. I like the fact they are building the next generation from their youth and showing the flaws and growth of each character.

I didn't like the planet killer weapon for 2 reasons. 1- it's just another death star concept. Could they not have come up with something else? 2- Because they should have built up to that threat over the series. What else could they possibly come up with that is more threatening than a planet killer weapon? The next idea will more than likely be a major letdown.

Loved seeing the ships from previous battles in the desert. It really gave the feeling that the old regimes had crumbled and this universe is new and will stand on its own eventually.

I wasn't sure if I would like Daisy as the protagonist. In the trailers I didn't buy her as the right actor for that role. However, I was completely blown away by her performance. She is a star in the making - she can act much better than some of the leads in the original series. And she has a smile that can light up the sun - she is a very respectful and humble person in RL. I cannot wait for my daughter to see her in this movie - a rare, good role model for young women.

Didn't like the romance between Finn and Rey. It seemed forced because I think they needed another scene or two to build the romance from the crush stage. Finn was into her too quickly based upon the early chemistry they had. But I like the overall idea of them being together.

Based upon the comments of Luke's light saber being handed down and Rey finding it and fighting Kylo, I think Rey is obviously Luke's daughter and not Han's. The ending scene where she finds Luke and hands it back to him is obvious foreshadowing. In the next movie, he will take the role of mentor (Yoda), tell her to keep the weapon, and teach her to harness her powers. She will emerge later in the second movie with more focused powers to fight Ren who will be completing (or have completed) his own training with Snoke.

BTW, I hate the name Snoke. I think it sounds more like a Potter villain's name than Star Wars. I expected him to pull out his wand and shoot lightning at some point.

I also didn't like how they made Snoke so large compared to Ren. Were they trying to emphasize the experience difference between the two? What makes villains particularly scary is not their size, but their cunning and ability to fool those that follow them. Snoke seems like a cartoon character and not a menacing master of the dark side of the force.

Loved the xwing and tie fighter battle scenes. Those were done very well and in depth which added uniqueness to the movie. You could really see Poe's skill and how it gave the Rebels an advantage in that space - this was done better than Luke's piloting in the original series.
 

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I was extremely disappointed that Han died. Not because I needed the legacy actors in this series, but because of all the legacy actors involved in this movie, he by FAR has the strongest screen presence and most unique character. He will be sorely missed, much more than if Leia or Luke had died.
I couldn't disagree more. Yes, Han was the strongest of the Original Trilogy actors, but that's the whole point of his death. Leia can continue as a military commander and Luke as a Jedi mentor, but Han needs to be in the midst of the action in order to be an effective character. From a narrative perspective, his death is to get him out of the way. He's not the star anymore. Rey and Finn are. Luke and Leia can be minor characters but Han Solo is either in or out.

Didn't like the romance between Finn and Rey. It seemed forced because I think they needed another scene or two to build the romance from the crush stage. Finn was into her too quickly based upon the early chemistry they had.
Romance? Finn saw a hot girl in the desert and he hit on her. It didn't really progress any further than that. If you saw Daisy Ridley in the desert, you'd hit on her and wonder if she had a boyfriend too. And it wouldn't take you long.

(I'm not nitpicking your post. Everything I didn't quote, I mostly agree with.)
 

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I couldn't disagree more. Yes, Han was the strongest of the Original Trilogy actors, but that's the whole point of his death. Leia can continue as a military commander and Luke as a Jedi mentor, but Han needs to be in the midst of the action in order to be an effective character. From a narrative perspective, his death is to get him out of the way. He's not the star anymore. Rey and Finn are. Luke and Leia can be minor characters but Han Solo is either in or out.


Romance? Finn saw a hot girl in the desert and he hit on her. It didn't really progress any further than that. If you saw Daisy Ridley in the desert, you'd hit on her and wonder if she had a boyfriend too. And it wouldn't take you long.

(I'm not nitpicking your post. Everything I didn't quote, I mostly agree with.)

The "romance" was a lot more old fashioned. He met a beautiful girl who treated him like something more than a number, and so he became quickly enamored. I don't see how that was forced at all, coming from the First Order, the bar is set LOW. And She wasn't really thinking on those terms at all throughout the movie, but saw him differntly when he came back for her, giving her that belonging she was so depearately seeking and proving that he was not merely self-interested.
 
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I also didn't like how they made Snoke so large compared to Ren. Were they trying to emphasize the experience difference between the two? What makes villains particularly scary is not their size, but their cunning and ability to fool those that follow them. Snoke seems like a cartoon character and not a menacing master of the dark side of the force.

He isn't giant that was just a hologram.
 

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I just realized the movie is PG-13. Can't fathom why.

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I thought the movie was pretty awesome!

Things I didn't like were:

1) I'm not too crazy about the way Snoke looked.
2) I wished Ren kept his mask/helmet on at all times other than the scene with Han.
3) The scene with the stupid octupus things on Hans freighter was terrible imo.

The rest of the movie was badass!

Things I really liked:

1) Ford was Han instead of old angry Ford running around with Chewbacca.
2) Good to see Chewie again.
3) BB-8 was cool.
4) Rey, Po, and Fin were all awesome and very likable. I was worried they might not be that great but they were and now it makes you wanna follow their characters.
5) Ren was great too he just seemed like a bitch without his helmet/mask though.
6) The whole escape of Finn/Po was maybe my favorite part.
7) Pretty much anything that happened with or in the Falcon was great also.

I'm ready to go see it again and I can't wait for VIII!
 

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SIAP but I do wish they'd explain how the hell Anakin's/Luke's lightsaber, which falls on Bespin from Cloud City presumably into a gas giant, ends up in storage for Rey to stumble upon. Meesa thinks that's a bit of a stretch.

Timothy Zahn had that all figured out with Luuke Skywalker. Maybe they will borrow from him. It's the least they can do in exchange for his help in making the franchise relevant again.
 

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I also didn't like how they made Snoke so large compared to Ren. Were they trying to emphasize the experience difference between the two? What makes villains particularly scary is not their size, but their cunning and ability to fool those that follow them. Snoke seems like a cartoon character and not a menacing master of the dark side of the force.

I would be willing to bet that the "largeness" is simply his hologram being magnified, not his actual size. I would be go so far as to bet that he will probably be a small physically-crippled man when he is eventually revealed fully.

EDIT: Didn't see someone had already said this.
 

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I really hope Rey and Fin don't have a romance in the rest of the movies
 

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I would be willing to bet that the "largeness" is simply his hologram being magnified, not his actual size. I would be go so far as to bet that he will probably be a small physically-crippled man when he is eventually revealed fully.

EDIT: Didn't see someone had already said this.

Andy Serkis said he's 6-7 feet tall.
 
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He isn't giant that was just a hologram.

Yes I got that. It was similar to the tech used in the prequels. However in the prequels they didn't blow up the hologram inside a gigantic room to make the point he was the evil bad boss guy. Not only did this remind me of the Potter movie, it reminded me of Battlestar Galactica and the scenes with the evil super boss guy.
 

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Yes I got that. It was similar to the tech used in the prequels. However in the prequels they didn't blow up the hologram inside a gigantic room to make the point he was the evil bad boss guy. Not only did this remind me of the Potter movie, it reminded me of Battlestar Galactica and the scenes with the evil super boss guy.

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I couldn't disagree more. Yes, Han was the strongest of the Original Trilogy actors, but that's the whole point of his death. Leia can continue as a military commander and Luke as a Jedi mentor, but Han needs to be in the midst of the action in order to be an effective character. From a narrative perspective, his death is to get him out of the way. He's not the star anymore. Rey and Finn are. Luke and Leia can be minor characters but Han Solo is either in or out.

I understand that point- it was a plot device and it makes sense why they did it.

But I disagree overall for these reasons. From a story quality standpoint, I prefer Han of the 3 as he is the most dynamic actor and they could use him as much or as little as they want and he would be an effective addition to the story line. The Rogue character can always 'pop' in as needed to support the plot or add some humor - this is one of the advantages of the archetype.

Also, Luke was the most action oriented lead in the original series, not Han. He was the guy who was piloting the Xwing or fighting with his light sabre against Vader. He was more central to the reasons the action occurred, while Han was a supporting character to Luke's story.

Either way, I didn't need the legacy actors in these movies. I would have been content with starting farther into the future and without them (or having their cameos as having moved into the next plane similar to Kenobe at the end of the original series). But since those characters were included as much as they were, I prefer Han's characters to the others and feel like he is less in the way than Luke.
 
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Also I wasn't enamored with Finn's weakness. Han and Leia were great because they were both strong characters. However unless Finn grows more backbone, Rey will easily outshine him as she develops her powers and the relationship won't be as believable to me.
 
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