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[tko]

Blaise, i really like your avatar.

 

[CarrollVermin]

“As a matter of fact, they’ve already taken Notre Dame to the wood shed in Michigan and Ohio."


“Ohio State’s problems should be (beneficial) to Michigan, Penn State and Notre Dame. So far, they’ve benefited Michigan, Michigan State and Nebraska, but Notre Dame has not taken advantage of it yet."

Interesting perspective from Tom Lemming...seems to be spot on. Personally not a big fan of Notre Dame being taken to the wood shed...ever.

Notre Dame football recuiting: Irish 2012 class needs boost - southbendtribune.com

 

[AdmiralBackhand]

Notre Dame is going to be okay. We recruited 3 guys last year, that are in my opinion, head and shoulders above their current commits for this year. As long as we win the games we should and compete well, we'll be doing great come next February. By the way, our class looks awesome as it stands. Look at the secondary prospects.

 

[Old Man Mike]

If someone was playing a game in which I wasn't participating, I'd find it difficult to feel I'd been "taken to the woodshed" no matter how well that guy was doing. Lemming shows remarkable dull-wittedness in these remarks.

The number of direct competitions between UofM and ND for the players they've verbaled seems minimal to me. Their raw numbers seems to impress him, but what's the relevance of that?? Kelly is on the same pace as he was on last year, and if we can hold what we have, seems to be intelligently stocking the future [something that it is at least debatable as to whether Michigan is as effectively doing the same].

Our foggy intelligence [even at our outsider level of insight] would seem to indicate that the staff is right on target with "targets" of high quality and need. Should individuals of the status of Day, Jones, Schutt, Peat pop the question, who would say that we are being taken to the woodshed by ANYONE? As far as skill people are concerned, Michigan isn't getting any at all. We are at least rollicking in some great receivers.

When our "running back" ship sails in, and it will, our coverage of positions with outstanding talent will be sparkling. Lemming's lack of perspective in making such remarks stuns me. All I can see to explain it is professional laziness. [I assume that he is not a stupid person who has trouble understanding simple things].


p.s. to the Admiral: we recruited five guys last year rated higher than any of UMs this year {add Hegarty and Koyack}.

 

[IrishLax]

FUN FACT OF THE DAY:

Notre Dame has 4 ESPNU150 kids in 12 commits... and Michigan only has 3 in 20 (dunno if this has been updated with Kalis, but point still stands).

Michigan is adding lots of great depth pieces and some really solid players.... but very few "elite" style guys. Just some food for thought for Lemming. "Taken to the woodshed" would be if Michigan grabbed Day, Kiel and Schutt. Right now it's a lot of bark, and minimal bite.

 

[Legacy]

Michigan seems to be at the end of their recruiting for this class, is now focusing on just a few recruits, and may be a marginal player at best for further prospects in competition with ND. Michigan has 18 scholarships available. They have 20 verbal commitments. Expect a few in attrition.

They still pursue Jordan Diamond, but would not be a player for Zach Banner or Jordan Simmons.

They are entertaining the two highest ranking DEs from Ohio - Chris Wormley and Adolphus Washington - and would take commits from both.

Michigan sites reports needs for three other positions: QB (will probably not take any), RB - Brionte Dunn is their target, probably not a player for Mahone, and WR - Dwayne Stafford is the target if they have scholarships. Aaron Burbridge is a remote possibility.

Other potential ND recruits they are probably not in play with - in addition to Mahone, Banner, and Simmons include Sheldon Day, Jarron Jones, and Noah Spence. Only Day, Banner and Simmons still list Michigan among their top teams.

Their DB recruiting is completed.

It will certainly be interesting to see what happens if Dunn, Diamond and either Wormley or Washington want to join their class. Mich is also probably eliminated by Kiel, Keith Marshall, DGB, Darboh, and Peat, though they are still listed for each under many recruiting sites.

 

[Rhode Irish]

If someone was playing a game in which I wasn't participating, I'd find it difficult to feel I'd been "taken to the woodshed" no matter how well that guy was doing. Lemming shows remarkable dull-wittedness in these remarks.

I made the following post the other day, apparently in the wrong thread, so I wanted to re-post it here so I can join this discussion:

I think Lemming makes some good points, but I also think he is jumping the gun (as some on this board are prone to do, also). If you look at last year's class and see how much things changed in the month leading up to NSD, you see the absurdity of getting bent out of shape about a class in July. I see what ND has already committed as being a solid foundation that addresses some needs, but the relative success or failure of this recruiting cycle won't be known for months.

A lot will depend on what we end up with from the RB's and DL's we are involved with now, along with our ability to hold onto the guys we already have in the fold. If you believe in this staff's ability to recruit and you believe the reports that have us in pretty good shape with some of the elite guys we are chasing, then you can't be worried about our class just because Michigan has a ton of commitments. If our class shapes up the way it looks like it could, the quality of our class could be a lot better than Michigan's by NSD.

Lemming makes a good point about what we have done in Ohio in the aftermath of the OSU thing, but Michigan is only recruiting that part of the country and we are recruiting from coast to coast. Plus, the final chapter has not been written on the recruits from the midwest. If we end up with James, Mahone, Schutt, and possibly Odenigbo, then the idea that we struggled in the midwest will seem pretty silly. Maybe that won't happen, but ND will find another 7-10 players and the makeup of that group will determine whether this will be a decent class or a great one.

This post was originally made in response to a discussion about whether ND fans should be concerned about where we stand with recruiting vis a vis Michigan, so I think this thread is the better place for it.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

They are up to 20 now.
Just picked up an unranked FB from Utah, Sione Houma. They have to be getting pretty full.

 

[IrishInFl]

Rivals.com Football Recruiting - Surprise teams highlight team recruiting rankings

#2 class

 

[Old Man Mike]

Thus far...in theory, bulk numbers count overwhelmingly at this stage. Each highly ranked player gets you [on some systems] points in the high 70s I think it is. Therefore, if you had eight more commits than another team at some stage, mere numbers would add 600 points to your total. I don't know how Rivals does it, but all these things are based on some point evaluation of each player wherein all four stars are not equal, and then either those numbers are just added up, or a multiplier of some kind figures in.

Only reason for my blathering is to say that one should compare [if at all] the relative rankings of team with the same number of current commits. On looking closely at this Rivals list however, it doesn't seem to make any sense unless they are rating teams on average star-value per player...which is a bit crazy if you, like CAL have only four commits. So I'm baffled by this.

 

[BGIF]

College Football Class Rankings 2012 - ESPN

#5 Michigan

 

[BGIF]

MaxPreps - National Football Signing Day | College Football Recruiting Rankings

College Team Recruiting Rankings
Last Updated: 7/25/2011

Ranking College, Commits, Top 100, Highest Rated Recruit
#1 Michigan 20, 5, Terry Richardson (#33

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Rivals has them as the #2 class at the moment...smh

 

[Sherm Sticky]

MaxPreps - National Football Signing Day | College Football Recruiting Rankings

College Team Recruiting Rankings
Last Updated: 7/25/2011

Ranking College, Commits, Top 100, Highest Rated Recruit
#1 Michigan 20, 5, Terry Richardson (#33

BTW Maxprep and Tom Lemming are a joke...He doesn't even have Tracey Howard in the top 100.

 

[Irish Man3]

BTW Maxprep and Tom Lemming are a joke...He doesn't even have Tracey Howard in the top 100.

Dude, your man crush on Tracey Howard is awesome. I agree that he is by far a top 100 player. Certainly a top 3 cornerback in the nation.

Michigan's class is decent and I would give them a top ten based on numbers right now but, top 5? Not a chance in hell.

 

[koonja]

I saw some of you are updating scout.com's ratings of our players... Since we have an on-going thread about Michigan's class, I was wondering if their players made any jumps/falls?

 

[irishtrinity]

i know i'm sick of seeing this class grow.. i never would have thought hoke could sell that well does anyone know if coach kelley is personally talking to kids or is hoke b/c it seems to be working if so..

 

[IrishLax]

I saw some of you are updating scout.com's ratings of our players... Since we have an on-going thread about Michigan's class, I was wondering if their players made any jumps/falls?

Michigan: 20 players, 11 4+ (55%), 1 5 (5%)
Notre Dame: 12 players, 7 4+ (58%), 2 5 (17%)

If we both finished with 20 players, ours would have 12 4+ and 3 5... unequivocally better. Again, wake me up if they go on a tear to finish out this class... until then this is 10 to 15 range class when you look at where teams from 2011 ranked.

 

[koonja]

Michigan: 20 players, 11 4+ (55%), 1 5 (5%)
Notre Dame: 12 players, 7 4+ (58%), 2 5 (17%)

If we both finished with 20 players, ours would have 12 4+ and 3 5... unequivocally better. Again, wake me up if they go on a tear to finish out this class... until then this is 10 to 15 range class when you look at where teams from 2011 ranked.

I meant more individualy. For instance, I read something about Richardson being overrated as a DB and I was wondering if that was expressed in scout.com's new ratings.

 

[Ironman8]

I meant more individualy. For instance, I read something about Richardson being overrated as a DB and I was wondering if that was expressed in scout.com's new ratings.

Richardson went from CB #10 to CB #13

 

[Rhode Irish]

Why are people always asking other people to do stuff for them that they can easily do for themselves?

Is your google broken?

Here he is listed as the #10 CB by scout (dated 2-15-11).

Here he is listed as the #13 CB. So at some point during the last 5 months he was moved down the rankings, but not all that far.

 

[koonja]

Why are people always asking other people to do stuff for them that they can easily do for themselves?

Is your google broken?

Here he is listed as the #10 CB by scout (dated 2-15-11).

Here he is listed as the #13 CB. So at some point during the last 5 months he was moved down the rankings, but not all that far.

Wow, I didn't have time to do it and since this thread is about Michigan's recruits I just thought I'd see if someone wanted to update this thread.

But you're right, I was way out of line, I'll take 10 thrashings and say 40 hailmarys for my misbehavior.

 

[PatsandBostonfan1975]

Michigan may lose a few after we smoke them by 3 touchdowns.......

 

[Riddickulous]

Michigan may lose a few after we smoke them by 3 touchdowns.......

Wrong.

The majority of Michigan's class is from Michigan or Ohio. Not much will change, even with a subpar year.

 

[BGIF]

Richardson went from CB #10 to CB #13

He musta mumbled something about switching to ND.

 

[ToledoGoIrish]

scout has us with two 5 *'s? guessing Darby and shep by rivals rankings ( im sure ill be corrected if im wrong). And the way tay is killing these 7 on 7's i wouldnt be surprised if he rockets up 30-40 spots from the early 100's in the top 150 and gets a 5th star. Seen that he might project even higher at safety than at WR.

 

[Riddickulous]

scout has us with two 5 *'s? guessing Darby and shep by rivals rankings ( im sure ill be corrected if im wrong). And the way tay is killing these 7 on 7's i wouldnt be surprised if he rockets up 30-40 spots from the early 100's in the top 150 and gets a 5th star. Seen that he might project even higher at safety than at WR.

Greenberry is currently #52 overall on the new Scout 300. Also the #6 WR.

The top 50 in Scout's rankings are automatically 5* recruits, which is I think is hugely flawed. Greenberry is just two spots away from a 5* ranking.


When it comes to Michigan, we have twice as many players in the Top 100 (Darby, Shepard, Greenberry, Decker) as they do (Kyle Kalis, James Ross).

 

[IrishLax]

scout has us with two 5 *'s? guessing Darby and shep by rivals rankings ( im sure ill be corrected if im wrong). And the way tay is killing these 7 on 7's i wouldnt be surprised if he rockets up 30-40 spots from the early 100's in the top 150 and gets a 5th star. Seen that he might project even higher at safety than at WR.

He's the #6 WR now. The top 5 are all 5 so he's right on the cusp. I don't think earns a fifth star nor do I think one would be appropriate... he's a solid 4 player and we should be damn happy with that.

 

[ToledoGoIrish]

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Such a drastic difference, thats why i hardly look at recruiting sites, matter of opinion unless its a guy like DGB. Thanks for the clarifacation guys

 

[IrishLax]

Greenberry is currently #52 overall on the new Scout 300. Also the #6 WR.

The top 50 in Scout's rankings are automatically 5* recruits, which is I think is hugely flawed. Greenberry is just two spots away from a 5* ranking.

I never realized that until you just pointed it out. Quite interesting and explains a lot... they simply use stars different than the other services. Hmm.