All Things SkunkBear

[phillyirish]

The only thing that pisses me off about this whole thing is that when ever there is an issue, infraction, or allegation related to the SEC, it takes years for the NCAA to even respond or they just wait out until the attention goes away completely. But then this satellite camp issue comes up at the beginning of the last recruiting cycle that could negatively affect the SEC and then BAM the NCAA instantly slams down on it the first thing in the off season.

 

[Legacy]

The only thing that pisses me off about this whole thing is that when ever there is an issue, infraction, or allegation related to the SEC, it takes years for the NCAA to even respond or they just wait out until the attention goes away completely. But then this satellite camp issue comes up at the beginning of the last recruiting cycle that could negatively affect the SEC and then BAM the NCAA instantly slams down on it the first thing in the off season.

Besides a restraint of trade lawsuit consideration over the satellite camps, what if a team - like Michigan or Notre Dame - or a conference like the SEC or Big 10 threatened to leave the NCAA? Wouldn't the NCAA further restricting those teams/conferences revenue by restricting them from scheduling NCAA members be a further restraint of trade?

Who makes up the "NCAA Council" who made this decision? Are the smaller schools and conferences equally represented?

 

[Shamrock Theories]

Well if you can't beat Ohio State, become them. Although even Ohio State scheduled a good team this year (Oklahoma).

???? OSU OOC has included:

2005: Texas
2006: Texas
2007: Washington
2008: USC
2009: USC, Navy
2010: Miami FL
2011: Miami FL
2012: Cal
2013: Cal
2014: VaTech, Cincy, Navy
2015: VaTech
2016: Oklahoma
2017: Oklahoma

 

[Irish2155]

From 12 game perspective, IU's schedule might be the 9th easiest using whatever metric from above but ND has a better chance of getting to the playoffs playing it's schedule next year than if it had to play IU's.

From a common sense perspective Michigan should not replace ND with freaking Colorado. I mean did Domino Pizza man look for the worst team he could find?

 

[BobbyMac]

From a common sense perspective Michigan should not replace ND with freaking Colorado. I mean did Domino Pizza man look for the worst team he could find?

If they want to go to the playoffs it makes perfect sense. They don't need ND, just as ND doesn't need them or MSU as long as SC and Stanford are just... good. If they win the B1G with 1 loss overall, the're in 9 out of 10 times. Why add another hurdle? This isn't basketball where IU should play UK every year. Every game in college football could be the end of your national championship hopes.


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[NDRock]

???? OSU OOC has included:

2005: Texas
2006: Texas
2007: Washington
2008: USC
2009: USC, Navy
2010: Miami FL
2011: Miami FL
2012: Cal
2013: Cal
2014: VaTech, Cincy, Navy
2015: VaTech
2016: Oklahoma
2017: Oklahoma

They've typically played one good team and three absolute cakewalks. USC, Texas and Oklahoma are elite programs. The others on that list I would not consider very good. It's really the SEC model. One tougher game, three automatic wins.

 

[woolybug25]

From a common sense perspective Michigan should not replace ND with freaking Colorado. I mean did Domino Pizza man look for the worst team he could find?

Dave Brandon resigned as the AD in 2014.

 

[phork]

Even as much as I hate Michigan that list is biased as hell. You need to check out some of the SEC brothers schedules. The OOC is a wash but I they feel like the BIG is way weaker than the SEC.

 

[Irish2155]

If they want to go to the playoffs it makes perfect sense. They don't need ND, just as ND doesn't need them or MSU as long as SC and Stanford are just... good. If they win the B1G with 1 loss overall, the're in 9 out of 10 times. Why add another hurdle? This isn't basketball where IU should play UK every year. Every game in college football could be the end of your national championship hopes.


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I understand completely...makes perfect sense. Still weak as hell.

A team with the "prestige" as Michigan should never, ever be playing the second easiest schedule in the country. When is the last time you saw, oh lets say...Texas, or maybe Florida St...play the second worst schedule in the country?

 

[Shamrock Theories]

They've typically played one good team and three absolute cakewalks. USC, Texas and Oklahoma are elite programs. The others on that list I would not consider very good. It's really the SEC model. One tougher game, three automatic wins.

Ohio state SOS rank by year:
2015: 26
2014: 6
2013: 34
2012: 41
2011: 25
2010: 21
2009: 28
2008: 7

Shall I continue?

Source: https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/ranking/schedule-strength-by-other?date=2016-01-12

 

[NDRock]

Ohio state SOS rank by year:
2015: 26
2014: 6
2013: 34
2012: 41
2011: 25
2010: 21
2009: 28
2008: 7

Shall I continue?

Source: https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/ranking/schedule-strength-by-other?date=2016-01-12

Not sure their final SOS means a whole lot when discussing the four OOC games they typically schedule. A lot of their final SOS comes from Big 10 Championships, playoffs, and Bowls. For instance the last few years after the regular season their SOS was:

2012 - 41
2013 - 38
2014 - 33
2015 - 36

Either way, my point is that they typically only play one tough team and three cakewalks. Going back to 2008 they only had one year where they played two power 5 teams OOC. That was in 2011 when they played Colorado and Miami. Usually it's one and a heavy dose of the Akrons, Toledos, Miami (OH), and directional schools.

Notre Dame basically has an 8 game "conference" schedule now with the 5 ACC teams, USC, Stanford and Navy (I think this measures up to any Big 10 schedule). That leaves us with four OOC games. We have scheduled coming up:

2016 - Texas, Nevada, Michigan State and Army
2017 - Temple, Georgia, Miami (OH) and Michigan State

If we replaced one of our two Power 5 teams on these schedules with an Akron and Toledo we would basically have Ohio State's OOC schedule.

 

[Shamrock Theories]

Not sure their final SOS means a whole lot when discussing the four OOC games they typically schedule. A lot of their final SOS comes from Big 10 Championships, playoffs, and Bowls. For instance the last few years after the regular season their SOS was:

2012 - 41
2013 - 38
2014 - 33
2015 - 36

Either way, my point is that they typically only play one tough team and three cakewalks. Going back to 2008 they only had one year where they played two power 5 teams OOC. That was in 2011 when they played Colorado and Miami. Usually it's one and a heavy dose of the Akrons, Toledos, Miami (OH), and directional schools.

Notre Dame basically has an 8 game "conference" schedule now with the 5 ACC teams, USC, Stanford and Navy (I think this measures up to any Big 10 schedule). That leaves us with four OOC games. We have scheduled coming up:

2016 - Texas, Nevada, Michigan State and Army
2017 - Temple, Georgia, Miami (OH) and Michigan State

If we replaced one of our two Power 5 teams on these schedules with an Akron and Toledo we would basically have Ohio State's OOC schedule.

I was definitely not trying to say that OSU's schedule is harder than ND's.

ND's is almost always harder. Just saying OSU's is usually average. If you want to look at joke schedules, the Big 12 awaits you.

 

[NDRock]

I was definitely not trying to say that OSU's schedule is harder than ND's.

ND's is almost always harder. Just saying OSU's is usually average. If you want to look at joke schedules, the Big 12 awaits you.

Agree with the Big 12, I just hate Ohio State more and refuse to give them credit (even when it's due).

 

[Shamrock Theories]

Agree with the Big 12, I just hate Ohio State more and refuse to give them credit (even when it's due).

Word

 

[TomHaverford]

Dave Brandon resigned as the AD in 2014.

schedules are done years in advance. the 2016 schedule was in all likely hood done by Brandon.

Michigan has Florida, Virginia Tech, Arkansas, and UCLA all on future OOC schedules in the next 3-4 years. If Beavis is still in Arkansas they should be a solid program, he's a jackass but he's a good coach. Florida looks on the upswing under McElwain and Mora Jr has UCLA as good as they've been in a decade plus.

 

[gkIrish]

schedules are done years in advance. the 2016 schedule was in all likely hood done by Brandon.

Michigan has Florida, Virginia Tech, Arkansas, and UCLA all on future OOC schedules in the next 3-4 years. If Beavis is still in Arkansas they should be a solid program, he's a jackass but he's a good coach. Florida looks on the upswing under McElwain and Mora Jr has UCLA as good as they've been in a decade plus.

SMH it's Butthead. That's neg rep worthy.

 

[TomHaverford]

SMH it's Butthead. That's neg rep worthy.

Lol damn. you're right. I deserve it.

twins

 

[Legacy]

schedules are done years in advance. the 2016 schedule was in all likely hood done by Brandon.

Michigan has Florida, Virginia Tech, Arkansas, and UCLA all on future OOC schedules in the next 3-4 years. If Beavis is still in Arkansas they should be a solid program, he's a jackass but he's a good coach. Florida looks on the upswing under McElwain and Mora Jr has UCLA as good as they've been in a decade plus.

No one is really comparing the SOS of any Big Ten team to Notre Dame's and making assertions any B10 team's is nearly as difficult. Michigan's MO from 2017 on is one game against a P5 school annually with home and homes - except next year ('17-Fla (neutral), '18 & '19-Ark, '20 & '21 - Va Tech, '22 & '23 - UCLA ...) Then Michigan has home and homes against Texas and Oklahoma from '24-'27.

The B10 goes to nine conference games in 2017 without any FCS games. Michigan has room for OOC games in '18 & '19 as does ND. That would mean that Michigan would play ND & Ark in both years. A second P5 in a year? Think that will happen?

We'd still play Michigan in '19 despite Georgia (away) on the schedule - as well as five ACCs, Stanford, USC, Navy.

 

[Legacy]

Comparing Michigan's future P5 OOC teams scheduled from '17-'23 to each opponent's OOC scheduling.

Mich - ('17-Fla (neutral), '18 & '19-Ark, '20 & '21 - Va Tech, '22 & '23 - UCLA ...

Fla - '17-Mich, FSU '18-FSU, '19-Miami, FSU (no others)
Ark - '17-TCU, '18 & '19 - Mich (no others)
Va Tech - '17-W.Va, '18-ND, '19-ND, '20-Mich, '21-Mich,ND, '22-W.Va. '23-Purdue, Rutgers
UCLA - '17-A&M, '18 & '19 - Okla, '20-Rutgers, '21-Rutgers, Purdue, '22 & '23 - Michigan

As for the framework of scheduling, UCLA is most similar to Michigan with nine conference games and no FCS games. They have schedule two P5 teams in one year ('21).
Fla, Ark, and Va Tech have four non-conference games. Fla plays 2 P5s in '17 & '19.
Ark and Va Tech are most like Michigan. While both have their FCS games, the other three OOC games are generally one P5 and two G5s - except VaTech has Michigan and ND in '21.

Bottom line - Only Arkansas of Michigan's OOC opponents schedules one P5 annually through current schedules to '23, though Arkansas has only scheduled through '19. Yet it's also true most years, except for Florida, the other three schedule one P5 annually.

But... Michigan AD “open” to scheduling Notre Dame in football They'll undoubtedly want September games if this isn't PR, which I think it is.

 

[vuirish]

NSIAP, but I thought this may interest some. Way to solidify the recruiting base.

Jim Harbaugh as commencement speaker? Paramus Catholic should be ashamed | Politi Vids | NJ.com

 

[Irish YJ]

Michigan RB Drake Johnson Hospitalized After Being Hit by Forklift at Practice | Bleacher Report

 

[ulukinatme]

It's good that he didn't sustain worse injuries.



But how do you hit someone with a forklift?! Pure Michigan.

 

[BobbyMac]

If he can't run them off or out, he run's them over.

 

[phork]

Michigan RB Drake Johnson Hospitalized After Being Hit by Forklift at Practice | Bleacher Report

Must have been an uplifting experience.

 

[ulukinatme]

Must have been an uplifting experience.

I'm a-freight to say his recovery could take awhile.

 

[phork]

FORK MICHIGAN, make a shirt. NOW.

 

[ulukinatme]

FORK MICHIGAN, make a shirt. NOW.

Funny you mentioned that. I picked up this last week:

As well as this:

She was an excellent fit

 

[ACamp1900]

My sis has the fusc shirt, I shared a pic in the photo thread some time back...

 

[Irish#1]

Must have been an uplifting experience.

See yourself out please.

 

[Legacy]

the camps were absolutely for recruiting.

I don't think those camps had any affect on Michigan landing any of those kids to be honest. They would've landed those kids from NJ and IND regardless.

Pretty sure Devin Bush Jr. and his teammates were a packaged deal. I doubt they take the teammates without Bush Jr. and it's pretty obvious they planned on hiring Devin Bush Sr. as soon as they possibly could.

Next thing you know is that the NCAA will ban hiring high school coaches from high schools known for their recruiting talent as an unfair recruiting advantage. Who could blame those coaches with the money Michigan is throwing at them?

In addition to Devin Bush, Sr ($106k, Defensive Analyst, Flanagan H.S./Pembroke Pines), there's
---Rick Finotti ($120k, Director of Football Ops, St. Ed's H.S./Cleveland),
---Chris Partridge ($80k as Director of Player Personnel for Recruiting, before promotion to LB/ST coach/Recruiting Coordinator, Paramus Catholic H.S./Paramus, NJ) and
---Biff Poggi ($ unknown, Asst Head Coach in charge of Special Projects?, Gilman School/Baltimore). Poggi will return to high school football in the future.

Anyone I missed?

Is the NCAA comfortable with high school coaches getting these types of salaries to obtain recruiting advantages while high school recruits can't go to satellite camps for a chance at a scholarship to pay for college?