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While we're talking about Harbaugh and player development and such... it's pretty well documented that the vast majority of people who have played for him hate his guts. At Stanford, it worked out because most of the kids at Stanford he inherited were there because they put education above all and also didn't really have great alternative options during their recruitment.

Doug Baldwin... the best skill player on that 12-1 team... had filled out papers to transfer to Vandy because he hated Harbaugh that much. He was talked out of it at the 11th hour by his mother who urged he play his senior year and graduate.

Richard Sherman doesn't like Harbaugh, at all. Off the record, he absolutely hates the guy. It goes back to Harbaugh trying to convince Sherman to play through an injury and not get surgery. Sherman went and got the surgery... what did Harbaugh do? Stuck him at the very bottom of the depth chart for WRs coming into the next year. People forget that Sherman started off at as a WR at Stanford and led the team in receiving as a freshman in 2006. In fact, Sherman was a freshman All-American WR. The entire reason Sherman switched to CB was that Harbaugh punished him for getting surgery in '08 and not playing through injury. This would be like Kelly sticking Mike Floyd at the bottom of the depth chart because Floyd decided he couldn't play through an injury and needed to get surgery. How do you think a move like this goes over at a major football school with media attention? I'll give you a hint... really, really badly. So then Sherman... who had spent 3 years at WR including a dominant freshman season when he was healthy... switches to CB because Harbaugh has made it clear he's not going to play him on O, but the defensive coaches manage their personnel and are willing to give him a fair shot. The rest is history. Oh, except the part where Harbaugh *allegedly* bad-mouthed both he and Baldwin to NFL scouts.

What happens at Michigan when you recruit 4 and 5 star guys with egos? What happens when things start going poorly? What happens when there is actual media exposure? It has serious potential for cataclysmic failure. There's a reason why Harbaugh was forced out by the 49ers after incredible on-field results, and a reason why there was so little interest from other NFL teams. There is a reason why many players hate him.

Will the school and players tolerate his antics if he's going 12-0? sure. But at 8-4? Reallllly doubt it.

this is simply not true. Lots of people that played for him like him. A lot.

Doug Baldwin admitted that he was immature at Stanford.

Richard Sherman is still an immature asshole.

Whether they realize it or not, Harbaugh's "tough love" made them better football players.
 

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this is simply not true. Lots of people that played for him like him. A lot.

Doug Baldwin admitted that he was immature at Stanford.

Richard Sherman is still an immature asshole.

Whether they realize it or not, Harbaugh's "tough love" made them better football players.

Baldwin is veeeeeeery non-committal about him. He praised Harbaugh in his most recent interview, adding "Go Buckeyes" at the end.

It's pretty clear that Harbaugh has rubbed a lot of people the wrong way. That's why he's leaving SF. He's also an outstanding coach. It'll be interesting to watch.
 

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I've said it before, Harbaugh's tenure at Stanford would have never flied at a school like Michigan, or Notre Dame for that matter. Sure, he went 12-1 in his fourth season. But he won 3, 5 and 8 games respectably before that. Call me crazy, but that 3 year start gets you fired at powerhouse schools.

In fact, RichRod went 3, 5 & 7 wins and was ran out of town.

RichRod was ran out of town because the man simply refused to coach defense. Michigan's defense got worse every year under his watch.

"sure he went 12-1 in his 4th season" - LOL. Like Stanford is used to going 12-1? That was the best record they've ever had. The guy took over a team that was 1-11. ONE and ELEVEN. By year 4 he had that record flipped. He also went up against Pete Carroll's USC juggernaut as a 42 point dog and beat them in the Coliseum with a walk-on QB. Remarkable turn around. I can promise you that when he got to Stanford they didn't already have 9-10 5/4* OL's from the 3 classes before, 3 top 25 classes in the 3 before- 2 of those 3 were top 5 classes.
 

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this is simply not true. Lots of people that played for him like him. A lot.

Doug Baldwin admitted that he was immature at Stanford.

Richard Sherman is still an immature asshole.

Whether they realize it or not, Harbaugh's "tough love" made them better football players.

Really? Name em'. Because outside of Luck, who was his golden goose, most guys I can think of in both college an pros disliked him. Including his peers in coaching.

You're gonna try to blow smoke regardless, but let's play.
 

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Baldwin is veeeeeeery non-committal about him. He praised Harbaugh in his most recent interview, adding "Go Buckeyes" at the end.

It's pretty clear that Harbaugh has rubbed a lot of people the wrong way. That's why he's leaving SF. He's also an outstanding coach. It'll be interesting to watch.

I think the guy was ribbing him a little bit.

Carlos Hyde, Alex Boone, Frank Gore, Colin Kapernick, Vernon Davis, and plenty of other former players liked the guy.

Don't get it twisted. He didn't leave San Fransisco because of issues with players. He left because of issues with Jed York, a 34 year old billionaire rich brat that hasn't worked for anything a day in his life. Does it really surprise anybody that a hard ass like Harbaugh would clash with somebody he probably has very little respect for like York?

49er fans are ready to burn York at the stake. They did not want to see Harbaugh leave.
 

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Really? Name em'. Because outside of Luck, who was his golden goose, most guys I can think of in both college an pros disliked him. Including his peers in coaching.

You're gonna try to blow smoke regardless, but let's play.

holy shit, are you kidding me with this post? GTFO. For real.
 

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this is simply not true. Lots of people that played for him like him. A lot.

Doug Baldwin admitted that he was immature at Stanford.

Richard Sherman is still an immature asshole.

Whether they realize it or not, Harbaugh's "tough love" made them better football players.

LOL OK sure dude. Show me these people besides Andrew Luck who even likes people that sack him. Keep sticking your head in the sand. 90% of the 49ers locker room hated him, and very few of the players he coached at Stanford having anything better than neutral to say.
 

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I think the guy was ribbing him a little bit.

Carlos Hyde, Alex Boone, Frank Gore, Colin Kapernick, Vernon Davis, and plenty of other former players liked the guy.

Don't get it twisted. He didn't leave San Fransisco because of issues with players. He left because of issues with Jed York, a 34 year old billionaire rich brat that hasn't worked for anything a day in his life. Does it really surprise anybody that a hard ass like Harbaugh would clash with somebody he probably has very little respect for like York?

49er fans are ready to burn York at the stake. They did not want to see Harbaugh leave.

Vernon Davis does not like him... are you kidding me? Kaep got given a starting job even though he sucks by Harbaugh, so of course he likes him.

Ask anyone who knows anything about the 49ers and he was vehemently disliked by many, and generally disliked by most. Of course no one is going to make negative comments with their name attributed while the guy still controls their roster spot and is a psychopath.

The "lost the locker room" talk didn't come from nowhere. Open your eyes.
 

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this is simply not true. Lots of people that played for him like him. A lot.

Doug Baldwin admitted that he was immature at Stanford.

Richard Sherman is still an immature asshole.

Whether they realize it or not, Harbaugh's "tough love" made them better football players.

So trying to force a player to play through injury is "tough love"? And when he can't do it and opts for surgery, telling him he won't play and sticking him at the bottom of the depth chart as punishment for being "soft" is....?

And then bad mouthing him to NFL scouts is.....?

Not your best series of posts.
 

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RichRod was ran out of town because the man simply refused to coach defense. Michigan's defense got worse every year under his watch.

"sure he went 12-1 in his 4th season" - LOL. Like Stanford is used to going 12-1? That was the best record they've ever had. The guy took over a team that was 1-11. ONE and ELEVEN. By year 4 he had that record flipped. He also went up against Pete Carroll's USC juggernaut as a 42 point dog and beat them in the Coliseum with a walk-on QB. Remarkable turn around. I can promise you that when he got to Stanford they didn't already have 9-10 5/4* OL's from the 3 classes before, 3 top 25 classes in the 3 before- 2 of those 3 were top 5 classes.

Give me a break. Stanford is a historic program that has had coaches like Walsh and Pop Warner. QB's like Elway and Jim Plunkett. They have two titles.

You act like he turned Fresno St into a national power. He had a 12 win season at a long time PAC12 team. Are you honestly telling me that if Harbaugh wasn't a "Michigan Man" and had that start at UM he wouldn't have had every Skunkbear from here to Cali screaming for his head?
 

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LOL OK sure dude. Show me these people besides Andrew Luck who even likes people that sack him. Keep sticking your head in the sand. 90% of the 49ers locker room hated him, and very few of the players he coached at Stanford having anything better than neutral to say.[/QUOTE]

where do you and that other guy come up with this shit? you pull it out your ass?

there was about 6-7 49ers players on TMZ saying how much they like the guy and how they hated seeing him leave. Carlos Hyde was among them.

Frank Gore damn near broke down when they said good bye. Gore loved the guy. Kapernick loves Harbaugh as well.

Vernon Davis said he was the best coach he ever had and the 49ers were losers before Harbaugh, he turned them into winners.

Alex Boone posted stuff on his FB about going to war with Harbaugh and about how much he respects and loves him.

But yeah, you're totally right. 90% of the 49ers players hate his guts.

Jesus Christ.
 

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Vernon Davis does not like him... are you kidding me? Kaep got given a starting job even though he sucks by Harbaugh, so of course he likes him.

Ask anyone who knows anything about the 49ers and he was vehemently disliked by many, and generally disliked by most. Of course no one is going to make negative comments with their name attributed while the guy still controls their roster spot and is a psychopath.

The "lost the locker room" talk didn't come from nowhere. Open your eyes.

yeah, no shit. it came from Jed York. Open yours.
 

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where do you and that other guy come up with this shit? you pull it out your ass?

there was about 6-7 49ers players on TMZ saying how much they like the guy and how they hated seeing him leave. Carlos Hyde was among them.

That's 10% of the roster, give or take.

Frank Gore damn near broke down when they said good bye. Gore loved the guy. Kapernick loves Harbaugh as well.

Vernon Davis said he was the best coach he ever had and the 49ers were losers before Harbaugh, he turned them into winners.

Alex Boone posted stuff on his FB about going to war with Harbaugh and about how much he respects and loves him.

But yeah, you're totally right. 90% of the 49ers players hate his guts.

Jesus Christ.

Again, that's 10%-15%. And Vernon Davis has clashed with him MANY times. Where are the other 90% saying positive things after he was fired? I'll wait.
 

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Give me a break. Stanford is a historic program that has had coaches like Walsh and Pop Warner. QB's like Elway and Jim Plunkett. They have two titles.

You act like he turned Fresno St into a national power. He had a 12 win season at a long time PAC12 team. Are you honestly telling me that if Harbaugh wasn't a "Michigan Man" and had that start at UM he wouldn't have had every Skunkbear from here to Cali screaming for his head?

a historic program that never had 12 wins in a season.

I think ANY Michigan fan would be flipping the hell out if Michigan landed a top 5 NFL coach, like they just did. The fact that Harbaugh played at Michigan is probably the only reason we had a shot in hell to get him and ultimately got him.
 

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That's 10% of the roster, give or take.



Again, that's 10%-15%. And Vernon Davis has clashed with him MANY times. Where are the other 90% saying positive things after he was fired? I'll wait.

LOL.

Oh shit, since I don't have positive quotes from EVERY single player that means that 90% hated his guts. Oh ok. I see how it works around here. Christ. I thought this place was different.
 

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LOL OK sure dude. Show me these people besides Andrew Luck who even likes people that sack him. Keep sticking your head in the sand. 90% of the 49ers locker room hated him, and very few of the players he coached at Stanford having anything better than neutral to say.[/QUOTE]

where do you and that other guy come up with this shit? you pull it out your ass?

there was about 6-7 49ers players on TMZ saying how much they like the guy and how they hated seeing him leave. Carlos Hyde was among them.

Frank Gore damn near broke down when they said good bye. Gore loved the guy. Kapernick loves Harbaugh as well.

Vernon Davis said he was the best coach he ever had and the 49ers were losers before Harbaugh, he turned them into winners.

Alex Boone posted stuff on his FB about going to war with Harbaugh and about how much he respects and loves him.

But yeah, you're totally right. 90% of the 49ers players hate his guts.

Jesus Christ.

So the massive amount of guys that had public disputes with him (like Vernon Davis, lol on you adding him to your list) is just a bunch of smoke?

You do realize that he wasn't returning to the 49ers regardless of th UM opening right? Why would they do that if he had such massive support within the organization?
 

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a historic program that never had 12 wins in a season.

I think ANY Michigan fan would be flipping the hell out if Michigan landed a top 5 NFL coach, like they just did. The fact that Harbaugh played at Michigan is probably the only reason we had a shot in hell to get him and ultimately got him.

If he's a top 5 NFL coach why did the Bears, Falcons, and 49ers all have exactly zero interest in him? Why did the 49ers want him out on the heels of 3 straight NFC championship appearances? Why are the Raiders the only ones who even attempted to make a serious run for his services when he became available?
 

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I liked it better when scUM was sucking so bad that their fans laid low for the past few months. One little glimmer of hope and they think they have the keys to the kingdom and Harbaugh is the second coming. The guy is a db and threw Michigan under the bus just a few years ago and now everyone is lining up to kiss his ass. Cannot wait for his first loss to an Appalachian State or Central Michigan.
 

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LOL.

Oh shit, since I don't have positive quotes from EVERY single player that means that 90% hated his guts. Oh ok. I see how it works around here. Christ. I thought this place was different.

Are you seriously going to act like a very small minority is indicate of how the silent majority felt?

If the 49ers pushed out a guy who was generally liked/respected AND was leading the players to success you would've seen much more than a half dozen players voice support.

Common. Sense.
 

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there was about 6-7 49ers players on TMZ saying how much they like the guy and how they hated seeing him leave. Carlos Hyde was among them.

That is the majority when you use Michigan math.
 

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Give me a break. Stanford is a historic program that has had coaches like Walsh and Pop Warner. QB's like Elway and Jim Plunkett. They have two titles.

You act like he turned Fresno St into a national power. He had a 12 win season at a long time PAC12 team. Are you honestly telling me that if Harbaugh wasn't a "Michigan Man" and had that start at UM he wouldn't have had every Skunkbear from here to Cali screaming for his head?

Stanford isn't exactly one of the elite programs when it comes to history. They've had some historic HC. Walter Camp, Fielding Yost, Pop Warner & Walsh but only Warner made his mark on the Farm. Yost was only there one year & Walsh's record was more like Charlie Weis than the NFL HoF HC he became w/ the Niners.

While Elway was a phenom, Stanford was horrible during his time there. They never went to a bowl & his last team finished 1-10. Plunkett had a great run w/ a Heisman Trophy & a Rose Bowl win. Before Harbaugh, Stanford's most recent success was 1970-1971 when they had back-to-back Rose Bowl wins.

As far as the debate on his likeability, please leave me out as I don't follow the NFL like you guys. What he did at Stanford was very impressive but that doesn't guarantee he'll do the same at scUM where he'll have a lot more competition in recruiting prospects w/ much lower academic standards. Expectations weren't that high following Walt Harris & Buddy Teevens at an academic school. That won't be the case at scUM. Then again, I could never relate to a scUM fan b/c they aspired to win the B1G so that they could play (& usually lose) the Rose Bowl. I prefer to aspire to win NCs. As great as Schembechler was he won ZERO NCs.
 

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LOL.

Oh shit, since I don't have positive quotes from EVERY single player that means that 90% hated his guts. Oh ok. I see how it works around here. Christ. I thought this place was different.

You do know that players have absolute no incentive to rip on their former coach, right? The last thing they want is to be viewed by the next coach as a problem-player.
 

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I won't get into the numbers, but it was reported more than once that JH had a lot of dissension brewing in the locker room, which led to the problems with the front office. JH refused to change attitude which caused his ouster.

Let's see how he does without his "innovative" S&C coach. There's a reason he didn't go with him to the 49'ers either. The NFL tests regularly.
 

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Harbaugh is a good coach. His record speaks for itself. I personally think he's going to tear it up at Michigan. Also, according to Matt Maiocco the supposed "tension" between Harbaugh and the players as well as Ballke was way overblown. From all I've heard on local sports radio it was Jed York (who comes across as a weenie to me) who had a problem with Harbaugh.

Anyhow, there were a lot a parallels between the Niners and ND this season (injuries, off the field issues, "coach loosing team" drama, erratic QB play....).
 
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Put it this way, why did the team suck so hard this year. Because they quit on him, even Niners fans came to terms with that. My best bro is a huge 49ers fan and he reads everything he can involving San Fran and he came to terms with this being a lost season awhile ago. A majority of the veterans didn't want to play for the guy.
 

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hate to speculate, but it sounds like Bosch has some pretty serious personal problems. Wish him the best of luck, hope he gets the help he needs. Sounds like he's moving closer to home to a D-1AA program so that he can be closer to his family/support system.

Apparently he didnt want to leave but also didn't like Harbaughs stipulations on hime stay either.

Imma grab my popcorn and watch as some more feathers get ruffled.
 

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Put it this way, why did the team suck so hard this year. Because they quit on him, even Niners fans came to terms with that. My best bro is a huge 49ers fan and he reads everything he can involving San Fran and he came to terms with this being a lost season awhile ago. A majority of the veterans didn't want to play for the guy.

Err, maybe that and a serious ton of injuries as well.

Frankly Bill Walsh and Harbaugh were the same coach, the only difference is that Walsh and the 49ers had DeBartolo to cushion the egos. After all, if you are winning, who cares?
 

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Honestly he is correct a lot of players on the 49ers loved him. Some players didn't and got tired of his sh*t.

No matter what he is a great coach and will win at Michigan.


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