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irishff1014 said:
I never said we should have hired him.

The comment was made that Alabama's OC wanted to Change to much Hence Kelly not wanting to change.
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? So your point is that Kelly not wanting to make the changes to Alabama's offensive style is a pride issue?
 
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T Town Tommy said:
A power run game with the ability to throw all over the field in a 50/50 run/pass offense? Why would you want that?
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Because that's Alabama, and this is Notre Dame. Kelly is offensive-minded coach that has used the spread for his entire career. If there was a book called "The Spread" by Chip Kelly, Brian would be on the short list to write the introduction.
 
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greyhammer90 said:
Because that's Alabama, and this is Notre Dame. Kelly is offensive-minded coach that has used the spread for his entire career. If there was a book called "The Spread" by Chip Kelly, Brian would be on the short list to write the introduction.
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Then what's he waiting on? Bama had more of a spread offense than ND this season.
 
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irishff1014 said:
The fact he won't hire other offensive mind coaches speaks for itself.
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Is this Irishpat? I feel like you are just trolling us this afternoon.

An offensive minded coach should hire an OC with a different philosophy? Failure to do so is arrogance?

You never go full Irishpat


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T Town Tommy said:
Then what's he waiting on? Bama had more of a spread offense than ND this season.
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Ironman8 said:
How is EG not a spread QB?
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Really? How many yards did he rush for? He is more mobile than Tommy of course, but I see him as a QB that can extend plays more than a QB that can be a serious run threat in a spread offense.
 
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T Town Tommy said:
Really? How many yards did he rush for? He is more mobile than Tommy of course, but I see him as a QB that can extend plays more than a QB that can be a serious run threat in a spread offense.
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A guy that can extend plays is the prototype for the spread, not necessarily a runner. You are confusing the spread with the spread read option. The spread has been around much much longer than the read option out of spread forms and the QB running the ball becoming paramount to the success of an offense.

The spread is based off a QB who makes great decisions, extends plays, and runs when he HAS to (i.e. Eagles, see Foles, Nick). The other main principle is getting your great athletes (slots, WOs, TEs, RBs) in space so they can make guys miss. Auburn does not run the true spread. They run the modern triple option out of multiple forms (forms that resemble spread forms with wishbone/full house/run n chute elements with some power concepts sprinkled in).
 
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irishfanjho15 said:
A guy that can extend plays is the prototype for the spread, not necessarily a runner. You are confusing the spread with the spread read option. The spread has been around much much longer than the read option out of spread forms and the QB running the ball becoming paramount to the success of an offense.
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I know the difference between a spread and a read option offense. There was a lot of debate leading up to the NCG whether he was a spread Qb or not and most fell on the side that he wasn't quite there yet. Mainly due to his lack of rushing yards that a QB should have in a spread - not a read option.
 
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T Town Tommy said:
I know the difference between a spread and a read option offense. There was a lot of debate leading up to the NCG whether he was a spread Qb or not and most fell on the side that he wasn't quite there yet. Mainly due to his lack of rushing yards that a QB should have in a spread - not a read option.
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Go home. You make no sense. A true spread (what I would classify as the original concept of the spread) like the one Kelly runs with Golson is not based on the QB running. It's similar to one the Sooners shredded your vaunted D with.

Until you stop qualifying running yards with Golson being a spread QB, no one around here is going to think you understand what you are saying. Well, at least the ones that aren't mouth breathing homers.
 
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irishfanjho15 said:
Go home. You make no sense. A true spread (what I would classify as the original concept of the spread) like the one Kelly runs with Golson is not based on the QB running. It's similar to one the Sooners shredded your vaunted D with.
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No need to get personal cuz. If so, PM me. We can hash it out there. Peace.
 
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T Town Tommy said:
Really? How many yards did he rush for? He is more mobile than Tommy of course, but I see him as a QB that can extend plays more than a QB that can be a serious run threat in a spread offense.
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Rushed for:
51 against Miami (almost all in the first half as he wasn't asked to do much in the 2nd)
41 before getting hurt against Stanford
64 and a TD against Oklahoma
74 and a TD against Pitt
40 and a TD against BC
47 against USC

Keep in mind, this is all while he is still 1) learning the offense 2) small enough that BK rarely designed pure runs for him (can only remember BK doing it against Oklahoma and Miami to augment the run game) to keep him from getting hit a lot. Now that he has bulked up, I expect him to handle runs and the accompanying hits even more.

Further, even though he is definitely a pass first QB, just because he doesn't run as much as other dual threats doesn't mean he CAN'T do it, or isn't a Dual Threat QB. Sorry, but anyone that says Golson isn't Dual Threat or doesn't have the skillset to exceed in the spread is just plain wrong IMO.
 
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T Town Tommy said:
Really? How many yards did he rush for? He is more mobile than Tommy of course, but I see him as a QB that can extend plays more than a QB that can be a serious run threat in a spread offense.
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With all due respect rushing yards by the QB has nothing to due with whether or not its a spread offense. In fact, there are many spread offenses where the QB is very immobile. You know quite a bit about football so you probably know this. Spread means just that an attempt to spread out the defense. It has nothing to do with whether the QB runs or not. Kelly runs a spread offense with Rees. He did it at Cinci. Oklahoma did it with Landry. I think peoples terminology is whats getting misunderstood here, just my thought.
 
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T Town Tommy said:
I know the difference between a spread and a read option offense. There was a lot of debate leading up to the NCG whether he was a spread Qb or not and most fell on the side that he wasn't quite there yet. Mainly due to his lack of rushing yards that a QB should have in a spread - not a read option.
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Does Baylor run a spread in your eyes? How about Houston?
 
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T Town Tommy said:
No need to get personal cuz. If so, PM me. We can hash it out there. Peace.
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I was just giving a an example of a fact. You took it personal. I already explained what was wrong in your confusing of the differing spread offenses. Golson is a pro style QB with a big live arm who can extend plays, make every kind of throw, and run for a few yards and go out of bounds or slide when he needs to. No PM needed. Peace out.
 
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Ironman8 said:
Tommy should luck up how many rushing yards the QBs in those offenses had. (Hint: both less than EG in his basically half a season in 2012)
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Landry at Oklahoma chucked the ball all over the field in their spread and everybody knows he wasn't very athletic.
 
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Ironman8 said:
Does Baylor run a spread in your eyes? How about Houston?
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See. This guy gets it. This is why guys like Johnny Football, RG3, Mariota, Vick (not very accurate arm, but when he was on he was unstoppable), Braxton Miller (even though Urban has developed more running concepts for Miller than say he used with his QBs at BGSU or Smith at Utah) are so dangerous in OG spread offenses. Because if they get loose they can outrun people for TDs even if it was a passing play.
 
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