All Things SCOTUS

[NorthDakota]

All our healthcare should be paid by the government. Save us all a shit ton of money.

Enjoy the wait times and substandard care

 

[GATTACA!]

Enjoy the wait times and substandard care

Fear mongering bs.

 

[TorontoGold]

Fear mongering bs.

But, the bigger issue is how many of the undesirables would get healthcare. We've already determined that like ~2,500 trans kids getting medical treatment is enough to fuck over random non-trans kids because they'd rather just do punitive shit.

 

[NorthDakota]

Fear mongering bs.

Buddy is an anesthesia guy over in St. Cloud, MN. Take a wild guess where a disproportionate number of his patients are from

 

[NorthDakota]

But, the bigger issue is how many of the undesirables would get healthcare. We've already determined that like ~2,500 trans kids getting medical treatment is enough to fuck over random non-trans kids because they'd rather just do punitive shit.

What random non-trans kids are you referring to?

The one at SCOTUS today, from listening to the oral arguments, both parties conceded that hormone therapy would be available kids who needed to fix developmental issues. I could have misunderstood, at times they were getting in the weeds and i was working on other stuff at the time. Easy to miss things.

 

[TorontoGold]

What random non-trans kids are you referring to?

The one at SCOTUS today, from listening to the oral arguments, both parties conceded that hormone therapy would be available kids who needed to fix developmental issues. I could have misunderstood, at times they were getting in the weeds and i was working on other stuff at the time. Easy to miss things.

If you're cracking down on gender affirming surgeries you're going to be impacting non-trans kids at much higher rates. Inter-sex for example is more common than being trans. You'll have kids that have lived their whole lives as a girl but because they have testesicles that didn't drop and they want to get them taken out so they can develop more traditionally. They have all the parts, they want to be a girl but because some terminally online freaks want to stop some random trans kids they'll have a much much tougher time getting that treatment. You can be the most anti-trans person out there and STILL think this is a horrible idea because the impacts go further.

If you're making something taboo you'll have people drop offering the treatment because it's not worth the liability to take it on.

 

[Irish#1]

The cass report has quietly refuted by pretty much everyone in the medical community.

If so, you would think the ACLU lawyer would have been on top of that and argued that point instead of agreeing with the Judge.

 

[Irish#1]

If you're cracking down on gender affirming surgeries you're going to be impacting non-trans kids at much higher rates. Inter-sex for example is more common than being trans. You'll have kids that have lived their whole lives as a girl but because they have testesicles that didn't drop and they want to get them taken out so they can develop more traditionally. They have all the parts, they want to be a girl but because some terminally online freaks want to stop some random trans kids they'll have a much much tougher time getting that treatment. You can be the most anti-trans person out there and STILL think this is a horrible idea because the impacts go further.

If you're making something taboo you'll have people drop offering the treatment because it's not worth the liability to take it on.

I think there's a big difference in trans surgery and surgery to fix deformities.

 

[Blazers46]

I think there's a big difference in trans surgery and surgery to fix deformities.

Fear mongering bs.

 

[Blazers46]

Buddy is an anesthesia guy over in St. Cloud, MN. Take a wild guess where a disproportionate number of his patients are from

What is… Canada. I have an Aunt that works in the office of a medical facility in ND and they do most of their advertising in Canada.

 

[TorontoGold]

I think there's a big difference in trans surgery and surgery to fix deformities.

What do you do with an intersex person?

 

[ColoradoIrish]

If so, you would think the ACLU lawyer would have been on top of that and argued that point instead of agreeing with the Judge.

He agreed on one small point and did refute the line of questioning. I think he wasn't prepared for that line of question. I know it's from slate so most of you will dismiss this article but it covers that whole line of questioning. I find it odd that alito decided to focus on that report instead of numerous ones from American medical associations. The lawyer also did point out that even with that report the UK and Europe hasn't taken the same drastic approach as the Tennessee bill. The argument he made and the same one I've been making is that like all medicine, it should be an individualized approach and it's not a one size fits all.

Brett Kavanaugh Is Using the Logic of Dobbs to Pursue a Dangerous New Agenda

Skrmetti involves bans on gender-affirming care for trans children.

slate.com

 

[Irish#1]

What do you do with an intersex person?

Deformity IMO.

 

[Irish#1]

He agreed on one small point and did refute the line of questioning. I think he wasn't prepared for that line of question. I know it's from slate so most of you will dismiss this article but it covers that whole line of questioning. I find it odd that alito decided to focus on that report instead of numerous ones from American medical associations. The lawyer also did point out that even with that report the UK and Europe hasn't taken the same drastic approach as the Tennessee bill. The argument he made and the same one I've been making is that like all medicine, it should be an individualized approach and it's not a one size fits all.

Brett Kavanaugh Is Using the Logic of Dobbs to Pursue a Dangerous New Agenda

Skrmetti involves bans on gender-affirming care for trans children.

slate.com

Seems to me that was a major point, but that's just my opinion.

 

[TorontoGold]

Deformity IMO.

So you’re ok with intersex people deciding to have gender affirming surgeries?

 

[Wild Bill]

If you're cracking down on gender affirming surgeries you're going to be impacting non-trans kids at much higher rates. Inter-sex for example is more common than being trans. You'll have kids that have lived their whole lives as a girl but because they have testesicles that didn't drop and they want to get them taken out so they can develop more traditionally. They have all the parts, they want to be a girl but because some terminally online freaks want to stop some random trans kids they'll have a much much tougher time getting that treatment. You can be the most anti-trans person out there and STILL think this is a horrible idea because the impacts go further.

If you're making something taboo you'll have people drop offering the treatment because it's not worth the liability to take it on.

What are gender affirming surgeries? Is that where you cut off penises and alter vaginas?

 

[TorontoGold]

What are gender affirming surgeries? Is that where you cut off penises and alter vaginas?

That’s probably the rarest form of it, but yeah it’s included in there.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

What are gender affirming surgeries? Is that where you cut off penises and alter vaginas?

Mastectomies, rhinoplastys, orchiectomy, and then bottom surgery. Vast majority of of gender affirming surgeries being performed are mastectomies for male kids suffering from gynecomastia.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

So you’re ok with intersex people deciding to have gender affirming surgeries?

These surgeries definitely shouldn't be done, plenty of evidence to suggest it negatively affects the child as they grow up. Doctors and parents deciding the child's gender only for the child to suffer later on in life.

 

[SeekNDestroy]

These surgeries definitely shouldn't be done, plenty of evidence to suggest it negatively affects the child as they grow up. Doctors and parents deciding the child's gender only for the child to suffer later on in life.

I wonder how many botched circumcisions have contributed to this, as well.

 

[TorontoGold]

These surgeries definitely shouldn't be done, plenty of evidence to suggest it negatively affects the child as they grow up. Doctors and parents deciding the child's gender only for the child to suffer later on in life.

When it comes to an intersex kid I think they should be allowed to go through with it, because if the kid has the male parts has developed like a male and wants to remove ovaries or other parts that aren't in line with his wants he should be able to get this done.

It is absolutely an edge case, but that's the whole point - these things are happening at trivial rates.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

When it comes to an intersex kid I think they should be allowed to go through with it, because if the kid has the male parts has developed like a male and wants to remove ovaries or other parts that aren't in line with his wants he should be able to get this done.

It is absolutely an edge case, but that's the whole point - these things are happening at trivial rates.

I meant they shouldn't perform the surgeries on intersex infants. Waiting until the child is older and has a sense of who they are then go for it

 

[ColoradoIrish]

I wonder how many botched circumcisions have contributed to this, as well.

David Reimer - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Here's a very famous case on exactly that scenario.

 

[Irish#1]

The ACLU picked the wrong lawyer to argue. If any of the justices on the SC agree that a 2 year old knows if they are trans, they should be removed.

 

[Irish#1]

Mastectomies, rhinoplastys, orchiectomy, and then bottom surgery. Vast majority of of gender affirming surgeries being performed are mastectomies for male kids suffering from gynecomastia.

I don't know, but to me that is a deformity and not gender affirming. Gender affirming surgery is when you're having surgery to switch teams.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

I don't know, but to me that is a deformity and not gender affirming. Gender affirming surgery is when you're having surgery to switch teams.

It's a benign issue that typically goes away with time. The only reason male children would need to have surgery is to feel better about your body. That's the definition of gender affirming surgery

 

[Irish#1]

It's a benign issue that typically goes away with time. The only reason male children would need to have surgery is to feel better about your body. That's the definition of gender affirming surgery

We'll disagree on that.

 

[NDVirginia19]

We'll disagree on that.

That's why the Living Constitutionalism is so brain dead. The constitution gives us the rights we want it to now, and not the rights we wanted five years ago because these justices said so

 

[RDU Irish]

Soto and Brown would support Jurassic assignment surgeries for 5 year olds identifying as dinosaurs.

 

[NorthDakota]

If you're cracking down on gender affirming surgeries you're going to be impacting non-trans kids at much higher rates. Inter-sex for example is more common than being trans. You'll have kids that have lived their whole lives as a girl but because they have testesicles that didn't drop and they want to get them taken out so they can develop more traditionally. They have all the parts, they want to be a girl but because some terminally online freaks want to stop some random trans kids they'll have a much much tougher time getting that treatment. You can be the most anti-trans person out there and STILL think this is a horrible idea because the impacts go further.

If you're making something taboo you'll have people drop offering the treatment because it's not worth the liability to take it on.

I don't believe intersex anomalies are impacted by the law in question. I could be wrong though. Haven't done a deep dive, wouldn't be shocked either way. Legislation is not easy to draft.