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Report: Kevin Wilson Mistreated Multiple Injured Players While At IndianaÂ*

back in the day it would have been nothing but these days..

One thing to keep in mind, and I have no facts to back this up, other than what I've seen on Twitter regarding IU football players. Many kids were calling out not only administration but the kid who levied the accusations. I've not looked into it a whole lot, so, I'm not terribly sure what all was accused, but I know players were awfully upset by his dismissal.
 

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Something is going to give. I'd be all over a few of them like Riep and Williamson. They've just signed up to become lifetime gunners on ST's and are giving up their NFL dreams. Fact. (that's what I tell them at least). This is the type of logjam you dream of but they aren't all going there. I'll believe Wade goes to whatever school when he's two weeks into school.

Coming in:

KENDALL SHEFFIELD ... (#1 juco CB - #4 CB / 5 star / in '15)
JEFFREY OKUDAH ........ (#1 CB)
SHAUN WADE ............... (#4 CB)
AMIR RIEP ................ .... (#14 CB)
MARCUS WILLIAMSON .. (#16 CB)

Coming back:

Garreon Conley Sr. 4 star .93
Marshon Lattimore Jr. 4 star .97
Denzel Ward Jr. 4 star .90
Damon Arnette So. 3 star .86 (21 tkls)
Wayne Davis So. 4 star .89
Rodjay Burns So. 3 star .85


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Just read on Twitter that Tylon Lindsey de committed from OSU and is looking at Nebraska per Greg Biggins
 

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Something is going to give. I'd be all over a few of them like Riep and Williamson. They've just signed up to become lifetime gunners on ST's and are giving up their NFL dreams. Fact. (that's what I tell them at least). This is the type of logjam you dream of but they aren't all going there. I'll believe Wade goes to whatever school when he's two weeks into school.

Coming in:

KENDALL SHEFFIELD ... (#1 juco CB - #4 CB / 5 star / in '15)
JEFFREY OKUDAH ........ (#1 CB)
SHAUN WADE ............... (#4 CB)
AMIR RIEP ................ .... (#14 CB)
MARCUS WILLIAMSON .. (#16 CB)

Coming back:

Garreon Conley Sr. 4 star .93
Marshon Lattimore Jr. 4 star .97
Denzel Ward Jr. 4 star .90
Damon Arnette So. 3 star .86 (21 tkls)
Wayne Davis So. 4 star .89
Rodjay Burns So. 3 star .85


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Conley declared and Lattimore is leaving. Pretty open for the studs to come in and start right away
 

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Amir Riep should look at staying home and playing for Fickell in Cincy. No bias here.

But for real, Fickell already got a 4-star athlete (Jarell White, probably playing safety in Fickell's defense) to stay home in Cincy, so he should put a bug in Urban's ear, like "hey I know numbers are tight up there and you gotta process a few or eight, so send Riep my way, k thx."
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Once family... ALWAYS family! Great to see Dawn Elliott, a wonderful mother to a great son and the BEST offensive rookie in the NFL!! <a href="https://t.co/gscZvwLIjB">pic.twitter.com/gscZvwLIjB</a></p>— Urban Meyer (@OSUCoachMeyer) <a href="https://twitter.com/OSUCoachMeyer/status/822168833658068994">January 19, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Creepy no?
 

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Their recruiting efficiency is running at 100% right now. Last years class was historic and then they go into Oklahoma and pick up the #2 safety in the country who had 10 CB's to OU. It's gonna get worse before it gets better.

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Their recruiting efficiency is running at 100% right now. Last years class was historic and then they go into Oklahoma and pick up the #2 safety in the country who had 10 CB's to OU. It's gonna get worse before it gets better.

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So long as they stop Michigan winning a title...
 

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This is getting ridiculous. They are going to make any Bama team look silly in '19 & '20.

With Teradja Mitchell today, they've got six Top 40 players right now. 7 Top 100's.

The other 3 who aren't Top 100's? All ND offers, Dallas Gant, Sevyn Banks and Andrew Chatfield (who has NO business being outside the Top 25.)

A new league with:

ND
NW
Vandy
Duke
WF
GT
BC
Rice
Tulane
UVa
Navy
Army
= Starting to sound better every day. lol.

...or just pay Urbie $15M per and be done with it. That's cheap when you figure the ROI.
 

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This is getting ridiculous. They are going to make any Bama team look silly in '19 & '20.

With Teradja Mitchell today, they've got six Top 40 players right now. 7 Top 100's.

The other 3 who aren't Top 100's? All ND offers, Dallas Gant, Sevyn Banks and Andrew Chatfield (who has NO business being outside the Top 25.)

A new league with:

ND
NW
Vandy
Duke
WF
GT
BC
Rice
Tulane
UVa
Navy
Army
= Starting to sound better every day. lol.

...or just pay Urbie $15M per and be done with it. That's cheap when you figure the ROI.

Barton Simmons did a piece the other day basically conceding to recruiting title to OSU. Bama's streak is over and OSU is taking over. Which is interesting, as they got embarrassed in the playoff last year. This is on another level of crazy/weird. Guys are picking OSU, that we're locks (it seemed) to other schools.
 

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Urban is a great recruiter and OSU is always good but something smells fishy here. Last years class and this one so far have been ridiculous despite getting waxed by Clemson.

I'm jelly for sure but I really wonder if there isn't some funny business going on.
 

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Barton Simmons did a piece the other day basically conceding to recruiting title to OSU. Bama's streak is over and OSU is taking over. Which is interesting, as they got embarrassed in the playoff last year. This is on another level of crazy/weird. Guys are picking OSU, that we're locks (it seemed) to other schools.

As you and I have discussed in the past... OSU won the real recruiting crown last year. They had the highest average player rating in the recorded history of recruiting at 94+. The only reason Bama won 247's crown was they took 29 players vs. OSU's 21.

And it just keeps coming. K'Vaughn Pope just got 2 11W CB's and now CB Tyson Campbell who's right on the 4 star / 5 star border is getting all the CB's to OSU including LSU & FLa analysts who were also in the mix.

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I apologize for sounding like a Ronco commercial:

BUT WAIT... There's more!

Wiltfong dropped a CB for Parsons today. #1 cornerback Anthony Cook got more CB's today and 4 star Nesta Silvera who is currently a Miami F commit and teammates with Tyson Campbell and newly committed Andrew Chatfield at American Heritage has had 7 guys flip their CB's from the U to OSU.
 

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I'm shocked them and Bama actually lose games. This is a complete embarrassment of riches. I'm jealous.
 

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Urban is a great recruiter and OSU is always good but something smells fishy here. Last years class and this one so far have been ridiculous despite getting waxed by Clemson.

I'm jelly for sure but I really wonder if there isn't some funny business going on.

Because it's Urban, it seems like he wouldn't have to do that. However, I tend to let my mind wonder as well. Because some of these guys are out of left field, committing.
 

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...or just pay Urbie $15M per and be done with it. That's cheap when you figure the ROI.

Ain't happening, on multiple levels. I like how people assume if Urban came he would just continue destroy everyone under the same rules ND has enforced on previous coaches. I don't think Urban will come under any circumstances anymore, it's almost a sure fire way to destroy his legacy.

Besides...lets not forget this is the same Urban that has struggled with Dantonio, a coach that Kelly should probably only have one loss against if not for some crappy officiating on the final play of their first meeting. Not saying Kelly is better than Urban, but Urban gets out-coached too.
 
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Ain't happening, on multiple levels. I like how people assume if Urban came he would just continue destroy everyone under the same rules ND has enforced on previous coaches. I don't think Urban will come under any circumstances anymore, it's almost a sure fire way to destroy his legacy.

Besides...lets not forget this is the same Urban that has struggled with Dantonio, a coach that Kelly should probably only have one loss against if not for some crappy officiating on the final play of their first meeting. Not saying Kelly is better than Urban, but Urban gets out-coached too.

Urban has been outcoached a bunch. That's why he left Florida, and how he got clowned in last years playoff. FWIW, OSU lost worst than any team involved in the playoff since its inception. They got fucked up. This is not a Bk comparison, because obviously there isn't one.
 

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Urban has been outcoached a bunch. That's why he left Florida, and how he got clowned in last years playoff. FWIW, OSU lost worst than any team involved in the playoff since its inception. They got fucked up. This is not a Bk comparison, because obviously there isn't one.

Bama beat the tar out of Sparty. I think that was worse...but it was also expected.

Edit: Forgot about Oregon embarrassing FSU also. That was a whippin. Then Oregon goes on to get schooled by OSU. Ha.
 
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Ain't happening, on multiple levels. I like how people assume if Urban came he would just continue destroy everyone under the same rules ND has enforced on previous coaches. I don't think Urban will come under any circumstances anymore, it's almost a sure fire way to destroy his legacy.

Besides...lets not forget this is the same Urban that has struggled with Dantonio, a coach that Kelly should probably only have one loss against if not for some crappy officiating on the final play of their first meeting. Not saying Kelly is better than Urban, but Urban gets out-coached too.

I was talking about recruiting only.

There is a $ amount that would make Urban come to ND. He would bring in substantially better classes at ND compared to anyone since Lou & Vinny. Look at his commitment list, the vast majority are ND offers. They are going to Columbus because of him.

Now will he ever coach at ND? I'd say it's almost 0% he will.

Let's see if he gets waxed when the '17 and '18 classes are upperclassmen.
 

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Urban is a great recruiter and OSU is always good but something smells fishy here. Last years class and this one so far have been ridiculous despite getting waxed by Clemson.

Barton Simmons did a piece the other day basically conceding to recruiting title to OSU. Bama's streak is over and OSU is taking over. Which is interesting, as they got embarrassed in the playoff last year. This is on another level of crazy/weird.

Our post 3-9 class in 2008 was #1. Our post 42-14 class in 2013 was #3.

Urban has been outcoached a bunch. That's why he left Florida, and how he got clowned in last years playoff. FWIW, OSU lost worst than any team involved in the playoff since its inception. They got fucked up. This is not a Bk comparison, because obviously there isn't one.

Saban started out-recruiting Urban in 08/09. Harbaugh is not out-recruiting Urban at this point. Now that obviously doesn't mean that he cannot beat him, but until it happens...

I'm not complaining. I'm indifferent toward OSU, but I dislike UM. If OSU keeps UM out of the playoff, fine by me.
 

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Our post 3-9 class in 2008 was #1. Our post 42-14 class in 2013 was #3.



Saban started out-recruiting Urban in 08/09. Harbaugh is not out-recruiting Urban at this point. Now that obviously doesn't mean that he cannot beat him, but until it happens...

I'm not complaining. I'm indifferent toward OSU, but I dislike UM. If OSU keeps UM out of the playoff, fine by me.

Our 2008 class had an average rating of 85 something and had 34 recruits in it. OSU's 2017 class had 21 recruits and an average of 94 something. Still impressive for Charlie to pull that class in but no comparison on quality in my opinion.

I always think ND will be just fine if we can string a few double digit win seasons together. The ND brand and the hype that will create will recruit itself. That's exactly what happened with just one magical season to create the '13 class. Not saying BK and co. didn't go out and recruit well but ND winning makes it pretty darn easy to recruit.

Agree with your second point 100%.
 

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Our post 3-9 class in 2008 was #1. Our post 42-14 class in 2013 was #3.

Saban started out-recruiting Urban in 08/09. Harbaugh is not out-recruiting Urban at this point. Now that obviously doesn't mean that he cannot beat him, but until it happens...

Saban's '08 class was better. '07 and '10 UF was #1 overall and in '09 Bama finished higher in 247's ranking BUT UF had a better APR. The Gators only took 18 players vs Bama's 28. So head to head, the record IMO was 3-1 in favor of Urban... or 2-1-1 if you consider '08 a draw.
 
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