Aliens Thread

[IrishLion]

We can make this a one-stop shop for the future, when ET finally shows up to make us their slaves.

But mostly this is to divert what I think is an interesting conversation away from the Flight 370 thread.

I don't see how anyone can think there aren't aliens out there.

There very well could be. What I always wondered is why they are always portrayed as being mentally superior to us? Like Kuenjha said, we only know about 2%. There could be a group on some planet far far away who haven't developed the technology to travel great distances within their lifespan. Or maybe they have the ability, but only live a year or two?

I think the idea is that if they find us and visit earth, they must be smarter as we haven't visited their home yet.

I get that part. My point is those who believe in Aliens appear to be open minded since they believe that there is or could be other life. Yett we never hear them say we are probably a superior race. It's always, "The aliens are smarter and better than us".


P.S. I think they've been monitoring us for a long time. After seeing who we are, they don't want anything to do with us! lol

If you knew there were life on another planet via some sign from God or dream (not because you saw something, received a signal, etc), would you hope they ARE smarter than us, or that they're unable to think abstractly and are basically as intelligent as what movies portray zombies to be like?

If they're smarter than us, you'd have to believe they'd be able to take us out if they wanted. If they're dumber, then vice versa.

Why not on the same intelligence level as us?

Because that's no fun. Ok, fine, lol. That can be an option, but please rank the other two as well.

Any aliens that would visit our solar system would be far, far more advanced than our civilization, simply due to the distance they would have to travel to get here. The nearest stars are Alpha Centauri and Proxima Centauri, both about 4 light-years away. So, some alien civilization would have to travel, at minimum, for 4 years at the speed of light just to get here or they would have figured out how to travel great distances using space-time shortcuts, wormholes or something. We're nowhere near anything like that. Really, we're a bunch of chimps compared to any alien civilization that would visit us.

 

[goldandblue]

 

[rikkitikki08]

Look at Irishlion being all excited about anal probes

 

[IrishLion]

Duh, I'm working for them as an inside man (alien?) on the All-Snub team.

Infiltrate the elite, bring down society.

 

[tko]

Look at Irishlion being all excited about anal probes

I'm excited too, me and Johnny Cando lol

 

[johnnycando]

I'm excited too, me and Johnny Cando lol

Hey!

Shit.

 

[rikkitikki08]

I love this thread already

 

[no.1IrishFan]

Someone say b-hole play?

 

[Bogtrotter07]

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Aliens : late 20th and early 21st century mass hallucination, equivalent of the Succubus, Conccubus, St. Vitas Dance, werewolves, witches, and vampires.

A lie, bordering on mass hysteria, designed to increase the intensity of the human experience by a large group of people.

Aliens : In truth, we are aliens. The complex amino acid "engines" of which simple life emerged, came to earth via meteor. May have had updates.

Genesis I and II, differences in creation story : The second story refers to the Creator God in the plural, as "They," or "their."

Kainite's and other Gnostics saw the creator of the Jews, the original "God of the Old Testament" as an inferior God, and usually as more than one individual. Jesus represented a higher, less material, more spiritual deity.

Just some food.

 

[IrishLion]

This is why we don't have nice things.

 

[tussin]

100% odds there is intelligent life somewhere else.

What do you think the odds are that there is additional intelligent life in the Milky Way?

 

[RuntheBall]

Thread Summary: Aliens coming for the Anal-Zone

 

[koonja]

100% odds there is intelligent life somewhere else.

What do you think the odds are that there is additional intelligent life in the Milky Way?

I don't know 1% of anything about the galaxy/universe, but just because it's very likely and there's a ton of space we cannot access, doesn't guarantee there's life elsewhere. At least I don't see it that way. Gun to my head, I believe there is because of how vast the universe is, but I certainly wouldn't say it's an absolute.

 

[IrishLion]

100% odds there is intelligent life somewhere else.

What do you think the odds are that there is additional intelligent life in the Milky Way?

The Milky Way on its own has up to 300 BILLION stars... I'd say the odds are good that there is at least one planet with an atmosphere that can sustain life that hasn't been discovered. The question then becomes a definition of "intelligent life."

I think there is a rock somewhere in the Milky Way suitable enough that it probably hosts some type of animal life-forms, which I would consider intelligent life.

 

[Rhode Irish]

I think without understanding the nature of life, how it came to be out of "dead" matter, etc., it is very difficult to say that there definitely is or isn't life out there. If the circumstances that sparked life on earth are repeatable, whatever the odds, then there almost definitely is. The universe (never mind the multiverse) is so unfathomably immense that if something is repeatable it will almost certainly happen more than once. But we don't know how it happened, and without that knowledge you can't know for sure there is other life out there.

 

[IrishLion]

I think without understanding the nature of life, how it came to be out if dead matter, etc., it is very difficult to say that there definitely is or isn't life out there. If the circumstances that sparked life on earth are repeatable, whatever the odds, then there almost definitely is. The universe (never mind the multiverse) is so unfashionably immense that if something is repeatable it will almost certainly happen more than once. But we don't know how it happened, and without that knowledge you can't know for sure there is other life out there.

I see what you're saying, but at this point I don't think the "how" matters so much.

We know that if there is a stable star, and you combine that stable star with an orbiting planet, and if that planet orbits at a distance from the star that results in not-too-hot/not-too-cold scenario, life can form.

We don't need to know the "how" to know that the universe is probably infinite, meaning there are 100% odds of places existing that at the very least can sustain life.

 

[no.1IrishFan]

I think it will be incredibly tough to ever have proof of alien life. Take into consideration that finding them is not even the biggest challenge, it's finding them at the right time. Human existance on the Earth will just be a blip on the radar of time.

 

[RuntheBall]

I think it will be incredibly tough to ever have proof of alien life. Take into consideration that finding them is not even the biggest challenge, it's finding them at the right time. Human existance on the Earth will just be a blip on the radar of time.

Thats a good point. But is intelligent life limited to humans (on earth)? Say we found some other animal (small, but with a brain) on another planet. Certainly that would be considered "intelligent" life, no? Then we would have to consider the span of all animal life on earth, not just human life, which is much larger, but still could be small compared to the lifetime of the earth (not sure here). Of course, it depends on ones definition of 'intelligent'.

 

[no.1IrishFan]

Thats a good point. But is intelligent life limited to humans (on earth)? Say we found some other animal (small, but with a brain) on another planet. Certainly that would be considered "intelligent" life, no? Then we would have to consider the span of all animal life on earth, not just human life, which is much larger, but still could be small compared to the lifetime of the earth (not sure here). Of course, it depends on ones definition of 'intelligent'.

Completely agree, I think it would take a collaborative effort between two civilizations of similar intelligence, who are actively looking for other life at the same time, in a reasonable proximity to each other that the technology available would allow contact to be made. I have no doubt that there are aliens, actually finding them is somewhat unlikey.

 

[Old Man Mike]

I'm going to rue the day that I entered this thread, but in some small way "duty calls". First a disclosure:

In the late summer of 1959, just as I was preparing to go to Notre Dame, my younger brother and I were listening to Charleston, WV radio when an off-duty employee called in to report that he was watching an unusual meandering light some distance away. We listened and then went to look. Failure. Back to listening. "The thing is making a strong turn left towards the river". We go to look again. There it is: a domed disk estimated about 200-300 away or less {I have pretty good reasons geographically for this estimate.} Silent, as usual. Rotating dome with four slits, which when turned towards you emitted four colors of light { the same four colors and sequence described by the radio.} Nice, slow, easily observable Close Encounter of the First Kind.

You of course will buy my claim or not. What the experience did was invest me with a lifetime hobby interest in the mystery of UFOs. Being a college science teacher made me a particularly "odd" choice to be so involved, and Dr, J. Allen Hynek, the USAFs scientific consultant for their Project Blue Book asked me to join him and others at his Center for UFO Studies in Chicago. This I did, becoming a board member, and editing the Journal of UFO Studies as an academic quality journal. During my now-many years of involvement, I've had the interesting experiences of talking to members of the military, the intelligence community, three interested billionaires, and the best { and worst} UFO researchers... and on the side, arguing with people like Carl Sagan.

Lately, I and ten other researchers worked four years to mine the government-released documents to write the "inside" government history of how we handled this mystery as a national security issue. I wrote 75% of the text. Other guys, the world's experts on the Spanish, Swedish, and Australian documents wrote much of the rest. The book is documentarily "bulletproof". ... entirely non-speculative history out-of-the-mouths of the intelligence community itself. Does it say "Alien Technology for sure"; no. But any open-minded reading of their reactions, theorizing, level-of-seriousness will convince you that they viewed the mystery as no laughing matter. As Chief of Intelligence, General Samford said in 1953: "Credible people have seen relatively incredible things."

I will try to {briefly} answer questions if you have any, but my out-of-control hobby has massed up WAY too much information to distribute properly on a talk site. And I'm very busy scanning my same UFO files now to preserve them for my friends around the world... old guy needs to get things ready for his passing on, and these files are among the best in the world.

 

[koonja]

I'm going to rue the day that I entered this thread, but in some small way "duty calls". First a disclosure:

In the late summer of 1959, just as I was preparing to go to Notre Dame, my younger brother and I were listening to Charleston, WV radio when an off-duty employee called in to report that he was watching an unusual meandering light some distance away. We listened and then went to look. Failure. Back to listening. "The thing is making a strong turn left towards the river". We go to look again. There it is: a domed disk estimated about 200-300 away or less {I have pretty good reasons geographically for this estimate.} Silent, as usual. Rotating dome with four slits, which when turned towards you emitted four colors of light { the same four colors and sequence described by the radio.} Nice, slow, easily observable Close Encounter of the First Kind.

You of course will buy my claim or not. What the experience did was invest me with a lifetime hobby interest in the mystery of UFOs. Being a college science teacher made me a particularly "odd" choice to be so involved, and Dr, J. Allen Hynek, the USAFs scientific consultant for their Project Blue Book asked me to join him and others at his Center for UFO Studies in Chicago. This I did, becoming a board member, and editing the Journal of UFO Studies as an academic quality journal. During my now-many years of involvement, I've had the interesting experiences of talking to members of the military, the intelligence community, three interested billionaires, and the best { and worst} UFO researchers... and on the side, arguing with people like Carl Sagan.

Lately, I and ten other researchers worked four years to mine the government-released documents to write the "inside" government history of how we handled this mystery as a national security issue. I wrote 75% of the text. Other guys, the world's experts on the Spanish, Swedish, and Australian documents wrote much of the rest. The book is documentarily "bulletproof". ... entirely non-speculative history out-of-the-mouths of the intelligence community itself. Does it say "Alien Technology for sure"; no. But any open-minded reading of their reactions, theorizing, level-of-seriousness will convince you that they viewed the mystery as no laughing matter. As Chief of Intelligence, General Samford said in 1953: "Credible people have seen relatively incredible things."

I will try to {briefly} answer questions if you have any, but my out-of-control hobby has massed up WAY too much information to distribute properly on a talk site. And I'm very busy scanning my same UFO files now to preserve them for my friends around the world... old guy needs to get things ready for his passing on, and these files are among the best in the world.

OMM just changed the game, lol.

 

[dublinirish]

Old Man Mike, whats the deal with this JRod character? I read about him before seemingly hes an alien the US government traded for and he works in a underground lab in Nevada developing lots of technology and teaching scientists things from his civilisation. Always been fascinated by that story/myth whatever!

 

[IrishLion]

 

[gkIrish]

I'm going to rue the day that I entered this thread, but in some small way "duty calls". First a disclosure:

In the late summer of 1959, just as I was preparing to go to Notre Dame, my younger brother and I were listening to Charleston, WV radio when an off-duty employee called in to report that he was watching an unusual meandering light some distance away. We listened and then went to look. Failure. Back to listening. "The thing is making a strong turn left towards the river". We go to look again. There it is: a domed disk estimated about 200-300 away or less {I have pretty good reasons geographically for this estimate.} Silent, as usual. Rotating dome with four slits, which when turned towards you emitted four colors of light { the same four colors and sequence described by the radio.} Nice, slow, easily observable Close Encounter of the First Kind.

You of course will buy my claim or not. What the experience did was invest me with a lifetime hobby interest in the mystery of UFOs. Being a college science teacher made me a particularly "odd" choice to be so involved, and Dr, J. Allen Hynek, the USAFs scientific consultant for their Project Blue Book asked me to join him and others at his Center for UFO Studies in Chicago. This I did, becoming a board member, and editing the Journal of UFO Studies as an academic quality journal. During my now-many years of involvement, I've had the interesting experiences of talking to members of the military, the intelligence community, three interested billionaires, and the best { and worst} UFO researchers... and on the side, arguing with people like Carl Sagan.

Lately, I and ten other researchers worked four years to mine the government-released documents to write the "inside" government history of how we handled this mystery as a national security issue. I wrote 75% of the text. Other guys, the world's experts on the Spanish, Swedish, and Australian documents wrote much of the rest. The book is documentarily "bulletproof". ... entirely non-speculative history out-of-the-mouths of the intelligence community itself. Does it say "Alien Technology for sure"; no. But any open-minded reading of their reactions, theorizing, level-of-seriousness will convince you that they viewed the mystery as no laughing matter. As Chief of Intelligence, General Samford said in 1953: "Credible people have seen relatively incredible things."

I will try to {briefly} answer questions if you have any, but my out-of-control hobby has massed up WAY too much information to distribute properly on a talk site. And I'm very busy scanning my same UFO files now to preserve them for my friends around the world... old guy needs to get things ready for his passing on, and these files are among the best in the world.

This is why I voted for OMM as most interesting poster. Wow.

 

[Old Man Mike]

dublin: sorry to be a cold shower on this tale. Nothing but garbage has shown up over the many years of claims involving Area 51 and "aliens", going all the way back to some guy whose name I can't remember now in the 1980s, who claimed to work with alien anti-gravity technology there {Ah, old mind clicked, Bob Lazar}. I could say more about him but refuse to get involved with libel.

This Dan Burisch story appears to be similar garbage. He comes to us from a guy named Bill Hamilton, who is routinely unreliable, and from Linda Moulton Howe, who I have talked with, but despite being an intelligent lady, makes her living producing one piece of thrill-seeking news after another, rarely verifiable.

All this is emired with the MJ-12 controversy about which I wasted entirely too much of my career trying to instruct certain friends of its flaws, even though the general story {not the Area 51 stuff} isn't of-itself impossible.

In short: jrod is about as close to being certain bunk as an intellectually honest person can be without being directly involved oneself.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

I'm going to rue the day that I entered this thread, but in some small way "duty calls". First a disclosure:

In the late summer of 1959, just as I was preparing to go to Notre Dame, my younger brother and I were listening to Charleston, WV radio when an off-duty employee called in to report that he was watching an unusual meandering light some distance away. We listened and then went to look. Failure. Back to listening. "The thing is making a strong turn left towards the river". We go to look again. There it is: a domed disk estimated about 200-300 away or less {I have pretty good reasons geographically for this estimate.} Silent, as usual. Rotating dome with four slits, which when turned towards you emitted four colors of light { the same four colors and sequence described by the radio.} Nice, slow, easily observable Close Encounter of the First Kind.

You of course will buy my claim or not. What the experience did was invest me with a lifetime hobby interest in the mystery of UFOs. Being a college science teacher made me a particularly "odd" choice to be so involved, and Dr, J. Allen Hynek, the USAFs scientific consultant for their Project Blue Book asked me to join him and others at his Center for UFO Studies in Chicago. This I did, becoming a board member, and editing the Journal of UFO Studies as an academic quality journal. During my now-many years of involvement, I've had the interesting experiences of talking to members of the military, the intelligence community, three interested billionaires, and the best { and worst} UFO researchers... and on the side, arguing with people like Carl Sagan.

Lately, I and ten other researchers worked four years to mine the government-released documents to write the "inside" government history of how we handled this mystery as a national security issue. I wrote 75% of the text. Other guys, the world's experts on the Spanish, Swedish, and Australian documents wrote much of the rest. The book is documentarily "bulletproof". ... entirely non-speculative history out-of-the-mouths of the intelligence community itself. Does it say "Alien Technology for sure"; no. But any open-minded reading of their reactions, theorizing, level-of-seriousness will convince you that they viewed the mystery as no laughing matter. As Chief of Intelligence, General Samford said in 1953: "Credible people have seen relatively incredible things."

I will try to {briefly} answer questions if you have any, but my out-of-control hobby has massed up WAY too much information to distribute properly on a talk site. And I'm very busy scanning my same UFO files now to preserve them for my friends around the world... old guy needs to get things ready for his passing on, and these files are among the best in the world.

How would one find themselves on the list to read these files? Any particular story that stands out?

 

[dublinirish]

dublin: sorry to be a cold shower on this tale. Nothing but garbage has shown up over the many years of claims involving Area 51 and "aliens", going all the way back to some guy whose name I can't remember now in the 1980s, who claimed to work with alien anti-gravity technology there {Ah, old mind clicked, Bob Lazar}. I could say more about him but refuse to get involved with libel.

This Dan Burisch story appears to be similar garbage. He comes to us from a guy named Bill Hamilton, who is routinely unreliable, and from Linda Moulton Howe, who I have talked with, but despite being an intelligent lady, makes her living producing one piece of thrill-seeking news after another, rarely verifiable.

All this is emired with the MJ-12 controversy about which I wasted entirely too much of my career trying to instruct certain friends of its flaws, even though the general story {not the Area 51 stuff} isn't of-itself impossible.

In short: jrod is about as close to being certain bunk as an intellectually honest person can be without being directly involved oneself.

Haha quality stuff dude and appreciate the info. I can imagine the scientific field of study is often interrupted by the lunacy/delusion of a certain minority out to grab some cheap attention or make a buck. Reps coming your way

 

[Irish Houstonian]

Don't forget that, whatever you believe the chances are that there is another planet capable of supporting ET life, you have to discount it for the chance that the species is alive and intelligent right now. The Universe is pretty old, and it take awhile for species to get intelligent, so that can be a big discount.

 

[tko]

OMM, have you been probed? That is the real dilemma here.

 

[Old Man Mike]

Veritate: the scanning won't be down until the summer {it is a big pile}. They will then be distributed to my closest UFO researcher buddies, who will meditate on further promulgation. Then we will send them [and others' files scanned] to the best UFO researchers around the world. FINALLY, after securely assuring their continued existence [this isn't conspiracy paranoia, just pragmatic concern about data preservation], the UFO History Group will construct a public website with at least some of this data on it. The reason not just to do a "dump" is that some data include personal witness names who said they didn't want to be identified publicly.

So, it will be awhile. In the meantime {this is a bit embarrassing} you might want to get the big book, UFOs and Government... any googling gets you to the sites which sell it. Sorry for the advertisement --- didn't want to pollute our site here with anything like that --- but at least I don't get anything out of it.

One of the few english-language sites which has responsible UFO material in Fran Ridge's NICAP site. He's a solid-as-a-rock oldtimer, and I'm happy to act as one of his consultants.

... now, I'm sorry guys, but I'm headed out to lunch with my Catholic Cursillo guys, and then scanning files, so may not be able to answer anything till evening at earliest --- I KNEW I shouldn't have opened this can, but.... old teacher conscience.


Oh, stories standing out ... there are literally hundreds in my files out of the thousands filed. The Reverend Gill case from Boianai New Guinea in 1959 is one of the best. So, is the Mansfield Ohio Helicopter encounter of ... I forget the exact year ... often called the "Coyne Case" after the military commander. Red Bluff, CA, 1960. Levelland TX 1957. many many more.