'24 MI QB CJ Carr (Notre Dame Signee)

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I've never really been that high on any QBs under BK. I thought a bunch of them could be good, but between Golson, Kiel, Wimbush, 5 Star Philure, something told me these guys weren't going to push us to the top. I've felt different since Carr committed, he just seems to get ND and says all the right things. I really hope he knocks it out of the park, and it would be amazing if we could get him here sooner rather than later.
 

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Baylor ? How often do kids recommit?
OSU?? Will he have any chance at PT?
ATM- I think it’s ATM or us.
 

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I think we all need to be fair to Dante Moore in that how he is/was being advised is very different than how Carr is being advised. I think Moore with a different support structure would've conducted himself very differently. Is what it is.
I’ve said it before on this board, but I’ll reiterate it again—as a school admin I see this play out in different facets on a daily basis. Kids are who they are surrounded by. This goes for adults and peers, alike. But, the problem is exacerbated when the adults that a kid has supporting them are making decisions that are not rooted in the kid’s best interest, but their own. It’s a shame. I’ve seen some really great kids get put into situations they never should have been in because their parents are selfish asshats.
 

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I’ve said it before on this board, but I’ll reiterate it again—as a school admin I see this play out in different facets on a daily basis. Kids are who they are surrounded by. This goes for adults and peers, alike. But, the problem is exacerbated when the adults that a kid has supporting them are making decisions that are not rooted in the kid’s best interest, but their own. It’s a shame. I’ve seen some really great kids get put into situations they never should have been in because their parents are selfish asshats.
Second guessing is being judgementsl without the facts. What is in a kid’s “Best Interest” is a tired answer. What if Oregon has a contract worth $1 million plus Phil Knight gets his parents jobs but FUND alluded to making upwards of $250k and an ND degree? Which would you chose if you were Dante - a kid from a less affluent family?? It’s easy to say ND if you are a upper midddle class ND Homer posting on an ND site but real world isn’t so easy.

Besides his Dad was a Michigan fan and hated ND. We hate Michigan so we got our comeuppance - move on to CJ and whatever Top 400 QB Rees lands for 2023. ND is still doing good.
 

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Second guessing is being judgementsl without the facts. What is in a kid’s “Best Interest” is a tired answer. What if Oregon has a contract worth $1 million plus Phil Knight gets his parents jobs but FUND alluded to making upwards of $250k and an ND degree? Which would you chose if you were Dante - a kid from a less affluent family?? It’s easy to say ND if you are a upper midddle class ND Homer posting on an ND site but real world isn’t so easy.

Besides his Dad was a Michigan fan and hated ND. We hate Michigan so we got our comeuppance - move on to CJ and whatever Top 400 QB Rees lands for 2023. ND is still doing good.
Your most reasonable post 👍🏻
 

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Got to love having a five star QB that you feel very confident will never visit another school. Too bad Keeley and Bowen weren’t more like CJ.
 

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Got to love having a five star QB that you feel very confident will never visit another school. Too bad Keeley and Bowen weren’t more like CJ.
still have a year and half for CJ to decide he needs to visit others
 

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Got to love having a five star QB that you feel very confident will never visit another school. Too bad Keeley and Bowen weren’t more like CJ.
Understand that Carr is the exception here, not the other two.
 

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The world needs more Carr's...damn, what am I saying...
Agreed. Or just dictionaries. If recruits looked up what "commit" meant, the process would be decidedly less stress-inducing, but much less exciting. I prefer the former.
 

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Agreed. Or just dictionaries. If recruits looked up what "commit" meant, the process would be decidedly less stress-inducing, but much less exciting. I prefer the former.
If they don't commit because they aren't 1000% sure, fans shit on the player for being an attention whore or some other shitty character trait.
 

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If they don't commit because they aren't 1000% sure, fans shit on the player for being an attention whore or some other shitty character trait.
I wish anyone luck that doesn't choose the Irish. That said, it's in poor taste to silently commit, keep pushing back your commitment all while a school is shutting down QB recruiting for you. The Carr commitment should not have scared Dante off given he was a '24 recruit, it just proved he wasn't serious about coming. Ended up being a blessing in disguise.
 

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I wish anyone luck that doesn't choose the Irish. That said, it's in poor taste to silently commit, keep pushing back your commitment all while a school is shutting down QB recruiting for you. The Carr commitment should not have scared Dante off given he was a '24 recruit, it just proved he wasn't serious about coming. Ended up being a blessing in disguise.
I still think it’s 50/50 he signs with OR. How could he not entertain a USC offer if Nelson bails for TAMU? I think there’s more smoke with TAMU than people think. Either Carr is scaring everyone away or Rees just can’t connect with ‘23 QBs. I really hope we see 10-2 or 11-1. I think ‘24 will be fire with CJ leading the charge as class recruiter.
 

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I still think it’s 50/50 he signs with OR. How could he not entertain a USC offer if Nelson bails for TAMU? I think there’s more smoke with TAMU than people think. Either Carr is scaring everyone away or Rees just can’t connect with ‘23 QBs. I really hope we see 10-2 or 11-1. I think ‘24 will be fire with CJ leading the charge as class recruiter.
Ongoing Musical chairs. What will be interesting to see if College Programs back out of verbals to upgrade as well.
 

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I still think it’s 50/50 he signs with OR. How could he not entertain a USC offer if Nelson bails for TAMU? I think there’s more smoke with TAMU than people think. Either Carr is scaring everyone away or Rees just can’t connect with ‘23 QBs. I really hope we see 10-2 or 11-1. I think ‘24 will be fire with CJ leading the charge as class recruiter.
Ongoing Musical chairs. What will be interesting to see if College Programs back out of verbals to upgrade as well.
 

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I wish anyone luck that doesn't choose the Irish. That said, it's in poor taste to silently commit, keep pushing back your commitment all while a school is shutting down QB recruiting for you. The Carr commitment should not have scared Dante off given he was a '24 recruit, it just proved he wasn't serious about coming. Ended up being a blessing in disguise.
Reading between the lines, Dante wanted ND and silently committed in April. Otho didn't, and took the reins in his son's recruitment thereafter, intent on using his son as a cash cow. Can't fault a kid too much when his "handler" is a money grubber.
 

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If they don't commit because they aren't 1000% sure, fans shit on the player for being an attention whore or some other shitty character trait.
Oh, I don't shit on players at all. I can't imagine I'd do anything different as a 17-year-old. It's more of a culture criticism. I should have worded it differently.
 

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Oh, I don't shit on players at all. I can't imagine I'd do anything different as a 17-year-old. It's more of a culture criticism. I should have worded it differently.
Very few shit on players who never commit and keep it open until they are ready. But the flip flopping and shopping around while “committed” is worthy of a raised eye brow.
 

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Very few shit on players who never commit and keep it open until they are ready. But the flip flopping and shopping around while “committed” is worthy of a raised eye brow.
Dante never committed anywhere - at least not publicly - and people been shitting all over him for months around here.
 

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Dante never committed anywhere - at least not publicly - and people been shitting all over him for months around here.
He deserves less shit than Bowen and Keeley, I’ll give him that. Rees deserves the shit. We wanted him and it hurts. That’s the hard facts. BUT… if I had to choose, I swear on my soul I’d take CJ Carr.

I bet CJ will win the elite 11 next year by at least one ranking service if not more. The way he dominated Nico this year and had the highest score of the entire season says he’s a freak in my opinion
 
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I wish anyone luck that doesn't choose the Irish. That said, it's in poor taste to silently commit, keep pushing back your commitment all while a school is shutting down QB recruiting for you. The Carr commitment should not have scared Dante off given he was a '24 recruit, it just proved he wasn't serious about coming. Ended up being a blessing in disguise.

Oh, I don't shit on players at all. I can't imagine I'd do anything different as a 17-year-old. It's more of a culture criticism. I should have worded it differently.
I understand that "not all fans". You guys know that while a fan maybe consistent with how they act, fans cover the whole spectrum. I'm looking at it purely from the player's pov. They are damned if they do, damned if they don't.

Moore told ND that he was going to commit and then never did. So what? Estime flipped his commitment right before signing day. Is Estime not a good kid or untrustworthy?

Unless there is a medical retirement in coming someone is losing their scholarship or forced to grey shirt because ND at 86. Is that poor taste from the coaching staff?

I get frustrated when players flip from ND, but I support their ability to do so. Everyone in football is one play away from losing everything they have worked for, so better to let them choose the path that they feel is best for themselves and those they care about.
 

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I understand that "not all fans". You guys know that while a fan maybe consistent with how they act, fans cover the whole spectrum. I'm looking at it purely from the player's pov. They are damned if they do, damned if they don't.

Moore told ND that he was going to commit and then never did. So what? Estime flipped his commitment right before signing day. Is Estime not a good kid or untrustworthy?

Unless there is a medical retirement in coming someone is losing their scholarship or forced to grey shirt because ND at 86. Is that poor taste from the coaching staff?

I get frustrated when players flip from ND, but I support their ability to do so. Everyone in football is one play away from losing everything they have worked for, so better to let them choose the path that they feel is best for themselves and those they care about.
I don’t think anyone disagrees with this, but if we take a total boys will be boys laisseze faire approach then why have a message board or pay for recruiting sites? You can get the roster at und.com and the tribune will give you a run down on signing day.
 

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I mean fucking hell the fundamental issue should be what in the world ties free education to athletic prowess. Scholarships in and of itself kind of ended amateurism from the start. And then when free education room and board wasn’t enough we got other incentives etc etc. i mean at some point if its a business business then we sure as shit should be able to evaluate the actions and motivations of these pseudo employees
 

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I don’t think anyone disagrees with this, but if we take a total boys will be boys laisseze faire approach then why have a message board or pay for recruiting sites? You can get the roster at und.com and the tribune will give you a run down on signing day.
I just get annoyed at people taking shots (veiled or openly) at these kids. Implying Dante Moore is a bad or character deficient person because he backed off a silent commitment, then praising committed players that flip to ND.
 
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