'24 IL DL Justin Scott (Miami [FL] Verbal)

[Jiggafini19Deux]

The other day a poster bumped Loghan Thomas's "In the Film Room" thread to ask Prister how big he thought Thomas would get at ND.

Prister's response, leave ND 230-240.

Of course, that elicits a certain response from the board. Our Vypers can't be 235 lbs., lol. No, they are right. They can't be. In fact, none of them are or have been.

Julian Okwara left ND at 248 and Foskey 265. Both similar sizes to Thomas at the same stages. JR and Burnham, both former off ball LB's play the position over 245 and they are Sophomores.

Just total non-sense and drivel.

I can't justify paying for these premium articles at these places. The quality just isn't worth the price anymore.

 

[Blazers46]

I can't justify paying for these premium articles at these places. The quality just isn't worth the price anymore.

Are they even worth the time anymore? Paying is one thing but giving it time seems like a waste even.

 

[IA4irish]

It’s cool to have assistants who can’t recruit.

Come on. Every insider says O'Leary and Washington are great recruiters... They just rarely sign top end talent

 

[Irishdrunk]

I listened to the Irish Illustrated podcast yesterday and they said that ND will need to get a solid grad transfer at DT in both 2024 and 2025 to cover up for not bringing in Justin Scott or a player of the same caliber. My guess is they'll have to do the same thing at Safety to make up for O'Leary's recruiting.

It sounds like such a sure thing. Lol

Kind of like I missed breakfast so I will supersize my lunch at McD’s to make up for it.

 

[stlnd01]

Foskey was a prototype for the original Vyper position just like Okwara was before him.

I would agree that the Freeman and Golden have somewhat reimagined the position. Yet, every single one of those guys plays over 245. So, the point still stands. Prister just making shit up.

That's interesting. I've been trying to make sense of the feared Vyper shortage. Because why not Traore? His measurables are strikingly similar to what Foskey was coming out of high school, and with that wingspan he would seem to be an excellent prospect to be a prototypical outside pass rusher. I kind of read him last cycle as a potential replacement/fallback for Keeley.

But if the defensive staff wants Vypers more like a Botelho (who, when I look at, I see an inside linebacker, not a long tall pass rusher), then it makes sense why everyone seems to think Traore eventually bulks up and moves inside. And then I guess your Vyper is...?

 

[arrowryan]

And this is why I don’t listen to the podcasts. If Justin Scott was a meaningful part of the two deep next year, we’re screwed and getting a grad transfer anyways.

That logic really didn’t make any sense. A true frosh Justin Scott isn’t beating out Rubio, Mills, Onye, or Ford. They overreacted quite a bit.

 

[Luckylucci]

That logic really didn’t make any sense. A true frosh Justin Scott isn’t beating out Rubio, Mills, Onye, or Ford. They overreacted quite a bit.

Mills could go Pro but Cross, seemingly, already committed to coming back.

 

[ColinKSU]

Come on. Every insider says O'Leary and Washington are great recruiters... They just rarely sign top end talent

Good thing Notre Dame doesn’t need top end talent.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Mills could go Pro but Cross, seemingly, already committed to coming back.

Well Cross would be making an excellent decision because I'm not sure he'd get anything more than a cup of coffee in the NFL considering his lack of size. Surely FUND or somebody else knows to throw money to the 5th and 6th year guys (I guess Justin Ade's payment got lost in the mail).

Plus another year of grad school for free

 

[T-Boone]

Mills could go Pro but Cross, seemingly, already committed to coming back.

Howard cross coming back next year? I can’t believe he would have eligibility left.

 

[Crazy Balki]

Foskey was a prototype for the original Vyper position just like Okwara was before him.

I would agree that the Freeman and Golden have somewhat reimagined the position. Yet, every single one of those guys plays over 245. So, the point still stands. Prister just making shit up.

Yep. This was true even at Cincy when Darrian Beavers was Freeman's Vyper/Sniper, who was 6'4 255.

I think it comes down to how much weight a guy can carry without it hindering his get-off and athleticism. Loghan Thomas is 6'4, almost 6'5 by many accounts, and looks to have the frame to put on a good 30-40 pounds easily.

 

[Crazy Balki]

Howard cross coming back next year? I can’t believe he would have eligibility left.

Redshirted in 2019, COVID year in 2020.

2024 would be his last eligible year.

 

[JamIrish]

Howard cross coming back next year? I can’t believe he would have eligibility left.

Technically, the team has a ton of eligibility left. Harper, JJB, Hartman, DJ Brown, Vinson, and Schrader are the only ones without eligibility after this season. I'm getting ahead of myself...but I'm really interested in some of the seniors coming back next year.

 

[T-Boone]

Any chance Joe Alt comes back? He could insure himself to the max.

 

[ab2cmiller]

Any chance Joe Alt comes back? He could insure himself to the max.

It would seem virtually zero. Seems like the only people that have made a similar choice is if their team had a strong chance at a national championship or if they thought they could move up from a projected #10 slot to a top 5 slot.

Sure a guy can get insured to the max, but a top 10 pick in the NFL draft would be make from 5 to 10 million dollars for that one year. That's a heck of an opportunity cost. NIL could offset it a little, but not to that level.

 

[Rocketman84]

I listened to the Irish Illustrated podcast yesterday and they said that ND will need to get a solid grad transfer at DT in both 2024 and 2025 to cover up for not bringing in Justin Scott or a player of the same caliber. My guess is they'll have to do the same thing at Safety to make up for O'Leary's recruiting.

Don't understand why they wont imply the same recruiting tactics for DL and S like they do for OL and TE!

 

[Crazy Balki]

No chance Alt returns. I could see Fisher and Estime returning, albeit the latter is less likely.

But we've seen weirder stuff. I think a few years ago, guys like Etienne and Corum would have for sure left, but both came back for their senior year.

I think NIL is going to incentivize guys to really consider returning for year 4.

Unless Fisher is a certain 1st rounder, I think there's a good chance he comes back. I certainly think Fisher has that potential this year, but he has to show it on the field first.

 

[T-Boone]

It would seem virtually zero. Seems like the only people that have made a similar choice is if their team had a strong chance at a national championship or if they thought they could move up from a projected #10 slot to a top 5 slot.

Sure a guy can get insured to the max, but a top 10 pick in the NFL draft would be make from 5 to 10 million dollars for that one year. That's a heck of an opportunity cost. NIL could offset it a little, but not to that level.

Excellent points.

 

[T-Boone]

No chance Alt returns. I could see Fisher and Estime returning, albeit the latter is less likely.

But we've seen weirder stuff. I think a few years ago, guys like Etienne and Corum would have for sure left, but both came back for their senior year.

I think NIL is going to incentivize guys to really consider returning for year 4.

Unless Fisher is a certain 1st rounder, I think there's a good chance he comes back. I certainly think Fisher has that potential this year, but he has to show it on the field first.

Yeah with fisher missing his first year and wanting to have a go at left tackle he is a better than even chance of coming back I think.

 

[irishff1014]

It would seem virtually zero. Seems like the only people that have made a similar choice is if their team had a strong chance at a national championship or if they thought they could move up from a projected #10 slot to a top 5 slot.

Sure a guy can get insured to the max, but a top 10 pick in the NFL draft would be make from 5 to 10 million dollars for that one year. That's a heck of an opportunity cost. NIL could offset it a little, but not to that level.

The problem though is no one is guaranteed anything anymore. And unfortunately since he wears a golden helmet they will probably hold that against him.

 

[T-Boone]

The problem though is no one is guaranteed anything anymore. And unfortunately since he wears a golden helmet they will probably hold that against him.

Are you talking Mayer, JOK, Hamilton and Love getting drafted low’ish?
Apart from Mayer which was crazy the others were probably about right. JOK has been a bit unavailable.

 

[Reaper97]

Are you talking Mayer, JOK, Hamilton and Love getting drafted low’ish?
Apart from Mayer which was crazy the others were probably about right. JOK has been a bit unavailable.

JOK was only because of the heart condition at his physical that turned out not to be what was initially reported.
He was a top 15 pick before that got leaked.

 

[Crazy Balki]

Are you talking Mayer, JOK, Hamilton and Love getting drafted low’ish?
Apart from Mayer which was crazy the others were probably about right. JOK has been a bit unavailable.

Hamilton had zero business slipping down to 14.

But the reality is that LT is a premier position and will be targeted far earlier than safety. Same reason why Mayer dropped. Those positions just aren't coveted as highly.

 

[Reaper97]

Hamilton had zero business slipping down to 14.

But the reality is that LT is a premier position and will be targeted far earlier than safety. Same reason why Mayer dropped. Those positions just aren't coveted as highly.

Yeah, NFL guys LOVE OL from ND.
They want smart, proven, mature, leaders at OL in the draft. That’s ND OL to a tee.

 

[T-Boone]

JOK was only because of the heart condition at his physical that turned out not to be what was initially reported.
He was a top 15 pick before that got leaked.

I think there was also some general concern about his size and what actual position he would be ideal at.

 

[Luckylucci]

Yep. This was true even at Cincy when Darrian Beavers was Freeman's Vyper/Sniper, who was 6'4 255.

I think it comes down to how much weight a guy can carry without it hindering his get-off and athleticism. Loghan Thomas is 6'4, almost 6'5 by many accounts, and looks to have the frame to put on a good 30-40 pounds easily.

On that 2020 Cincy defense, Jarell White was the Sniper.

Also led the team in tackles at 5’10, 205.

Gotta hope that’s what they envision out of Urlacher and can get that type of production.

 

[Crazy Balki]

On that 2020 Cincy defense, Jarell White was the Sniper.

Also led the team in tackles at 5’10, 205.

Gotta hope that’s what they envision out of Urlacher and can get that type of production.

Yeah, no, I'm tripping.

I was basing a lot of this off the roster alignment. But watching the UGA game in 2020, it seemed more like Sanders was playing the Vyper role, while the 3-down front was mostly Jabari Taylor, Curtis Brooks and Elijah Ponder. Still, in that case, Sanders was practically Foskey's size, give or take a few pounds lighter. Then you watch other games, Sanders has his hand in the dirt as one of the 3-down ends.

I really don't know what to make of that. Seemed like Freeman felt confident in using Sanders on the line against smaller lines and then adjusted the defense to fit a much bigger and more athletic Georgia OL and backfield.

 

[irishandy]

Last I saw was Alt was projected as the 4th pick in next year's NFL draft. I don't see Fisher or Estime leaving unless if they both have huge years. If Alt & Fisher go high in next year's draft, good selling point for Rudolph on the recruiting trail.

 

[stlnd01]

McGlinchey came back for the 2017 season when he could've gone to the draft, and was the 9th pick in the 2018 draft. Though I don't remember what he was projected had he left the year before. Probably he improved his standing?

But yeah if you're a top five or ten pick you really should just go. I dunno about Fisher. With Estime, I'd guess it'll be like Kyren Williams. When you're a multi-year starter at RB you've already racked up a fair bit of your lifetime mileage in college and probably should go get paid sooner than later, even if you're not going to be a particularly high pick. I don't begrudge them that.

 

[notredomer23]

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