'24 IL DL Justin Scott (Miami [FL] Verbal)

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I’m an optimist but these recruitments rarely work out for ND… seems like the more decisive mature dedicated kids.. almost old for there age… are the ND kids and the indecisive unpredictable kids who are always changing there mind end up elsewhere.. and also lots of times don’t end up being big time college players
I do not think he is being immature, indecisive or unpredictable. He is just not rushing into a decision and making sure its the right one, I would rather have him take his time and make sure he is making the right decision now than waiting until signing day to decide and undecide and kind of decide again.
 

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I do not think he is being immature, indecisive or unpredictable. He is just not rushing into a decision and making sure its the right one, I would rather have him take his time and make sure he is making the right decision now than waiting until signing day to decide and undecide and kind of decide again.
It’s actually quite mature of Scott to handle it this way, IMO.
Take your time, make the right decision for yourself, make it once. Don’t let the millionaire adults pressure you into something before you’re ready. It’s probably the biggest decision of your young life and there is actually zero rush.
 

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Outside of the announcement of his commitment and delaying it, a lot of parallels to Christian Gray's recruitment if he ends up choosing ND.
Yep, and even then who's the LSU? Georgia? Michigan? In my extensive knowledge and recruiting prowess IMO feels kind of like Jagusah, where ND sources feel really good and are waiting for him to pull the trigger with uncertainty on the #2 school. Passes the Mouhamad recruitment test where he's actually been to ND a lot while listing them as a top contender.
 

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Lol at ND fans:
“I’d rather he take visits before he makes a decision to commit to us but then visit other schools.”
Scott decides to slow down the process and takes visits.
Nd Fans: “He’s so immature! He’s obviously not ND material.”
HS kids can’t catch a break with us it seems.
 

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That's how you feel, and being a fan it is entirely understandable, but that's not what it is in all probability. He's likely as overwhelmed with the entire process to this point as you and many others are frustrated that he has yet to make a non binding public announcement that he's committing to Notre Dame, ultimately meaning zero until he signs an LOI in December. He's living this shit every day, all day and it's far more painstaking that whatever it is you, me and everyone else here feels about it as fans.

Folks, this is a high school junior in Chicago that goes to St. Ignatius. Not Mt. Carmel. Not St. Rita. Not Loyola Academy. Not even Cleveland OH St. Ignatius. This is not a football powerhouse. Rivals lists him currently as the 11th rated overall player in his entire class nationally. They, right now, feel that only 10 high school football players in America are better than he is. He has offers from everywhere, including from the two time defending national champions, and is garnering national recognition and as I understand it, didn't start playing football at all until he was in high school? He could not have had a clue at the start of doubles this past August before the school year where he'd be at headed into February 2023. Their athletic department and administration have likely never had a player remotely close to being this good in the Bush Gore Rivals Scout Internet era. They're all in unchartered waters right now.

My personal take on this centers around two key points: First, I think he is overall a very good prospect and should probably be a very good college player down the line. However, with that being said, I think he's being overrated in many respects on the national level. Every Justin Scott in Illinois probably has 2 or 3 counterparts down in Georgia, Florida and Texas. For any service to say to us that this guy is one of the best dozen players in all of America might be a bit off of the mark. Now do I turn down a high four star player from Chicago who plays DT and really isn't a five star? Absolutely not. I would say to take his current rankings with a grain of salt because the reality is he is very very good but not as good as some of what is being put out there. Often times, I think a lot of schools put out offers in an effort to cover their own asses just so they can go back and say "Yeah, we offered that guy." ND seems to be doing a great job of getting offers out for DL at the moment and I ultimately believe they are going to have a very good DL class come December with or without Scott being a part of it.

Second, we're talking about a verbal commitment here in January, which ultimately doesn't mean anything. Who the hell here needs reminding of THAT? A public verbal on January 31st or any other time really doesn't mean anything unless The Gug has a letter in December with a signature on it. That's it. We can't sit here on one hand and say "Even if he verbals it's going to carry on until December" while we're saying on the other hand "well, he's not making an announcement now and all indications are he was going to announce for ND, so it's not looking good." A verbal now and no signature later is a story we've all seen before. I'd rather this guy do his thing now and sort it out if he's overwhelmed, which it sounds like he genuinely could be, and either sign in December or go somewhere else. Anything that happens right now doesn't mean anything.

The class has a core of kids in it now who are recruiting their peers. More will follow prior to Scott doing whatever it is he does. That aspect of this doesn't concern me. I want ND to get verbals from guys who are absolutely sure and don't want to bother with the bullshit and drama anymore. When they commit, they are shutting it down and sitting around waiting to sign their letter at the end of the year. That's it.
Lots of writing.
 

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Kids should be looking for reasons not to go to a school.

If he doesn't look for every reason to go to ND or to not go to ND, how can he make the most informed decision possible?
What I don’t understand is how it changes from this kid is looking for NIL and ND doesn’t really have a chance to I’m committing and all signs point to ND. I’m glad he’s going to visit now vs. what Bowen and Keeley did.

It just feels to me he put out that commitment stuff to get other schools and teams to be more aggressive and see what he can get from them. I guess that’s his right and should be doing that, but don’t like our chances with a guy if he is primarily NIL as all writers were saying just before these last few weeks.
 

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What I don’t understand is how it changes from this kid is looking for NIL and ND doesn’t really have a chance to I’m committing and all signs point to ND. I’m glad he’s going to visit now vs. what Bowen and Keeley did.

It just feels to me he put out that commitment stuff to get other schools and teams to be more aggressive and see what he can get from them. I guess that’s his right and should be doing that, but don’t like our chances with a guy if he is primarily NIL as all writers were saying just before these last few weeks.

Every writer has also said in the last few weeks that their NIL approach has evolved quite a bit without giving too many details. The main note that seems consistent is that they’ve learned from who they lost and to not expect this one to shake out like that, and that now they have a year of proof of what FUND and NIL looks like at ND. And besides acquisition fees, it looks quite good.
 
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Every writer has also said in the last few weeks that their NIL approach has evolved quite a bit without giving too many details. The main note that seems consistent is that they’ve learned from who they lost and to not expect this one to shake out like that, and that now they have a year of proof of what FUND and NIL looks like at ND. And besides acquisition fees, it looks quite good.
I haven’t seen or heard that, but big for ND if true.
 

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I haven’t seen or heard that, but big for ND if true.

I think the last couple II podcasts have talked about it quite a bit and Loy has said some stuff. I don’t think they’ve changed their strategy per se, moreso they are just advertising it well now to recruits.

Who knows. The ones looking for acquisition fees ND will obviously struggle with. Hopefully that’s not Scott.
 

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Lol at ND fans:
“I’d rather he take visits before he makes a decision to commit to us but then visit other schools.”
Scott decides to slow down the process and takes visits.
Nd Fans: “He’s so immature! He’s obviously not ND material.”
HS kids can’t catch a break with us it seems.
Yes they can. They just need to do the things we want them to do in the timeframe we want them to do them with no room for any grace or understanding that they’re literally just kids.
 

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What I don’t understand is how it changes from this kid is looking for NIL and ND doesn’t really have a chance to I’m committing and all signs point to ND. I’m glad he’s going to visit now vs. what Bowen and Keeley did.

It just feels to me he put out that commitment stuff to get other schools and teams to be more aggressive and see what he can get from them. I guess that’s his right and should be doing that, but don’t like our chances with a guy if he is primarily NIL as all writers were saying just before these last few weeks.
Again, what you feel is probably not close to reality in this scenario. I continue to see more and more of the ND Twitter bros fully admit they're jaded because of Keeley and Bowen. If that's the bar for the future prospects of that caliber going forward, it's pretty shitty and beyond unfair. These are teenage boys who are essentially commodities, but if every situation suddenly becomes anxiety filled because of two guys from the 2023 cycle that didn't work out, it's bad perspective even if we're only just fans. No coaching staff will ever survive harboring that baggage, I can assure you, and I'm sure they've all moved on.

I generally don't get the impression from local HS football circles that Justin Scott is playing the NIL game and manipulating the situation. That's from Catholic, public, city and suburban people of a first degree nature who have legitimate intel. The ND guys are not giving off that impression from what I've been listening to either, and I just listened to one of the pods in the car tonight about Justin Scott. He's a very good player with tremendous upside and things are beginning to blow up a bit more for him now that the college football season has been over for a few weeks. UGA didn't get around to offering him just yet because they were too busy winning another championship. He didn't seem terribly bothered that they offered what is to be considered "late."

Speculate away I guess, but I can personally say with very heavy confidence that we are not dealing with a situation remotely close to that of Keeley or Bowen, who I really hate to have to bring up but eventually we'll move past that. I think the more apt comparisons as we sit tonight are that of Gray, Love and Jagusah who have all been mentioned recently in this thread. That may lean to the more optimistic end of things, but that doesn't mean it isn't so.
 

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What I don’t understand is how it changes from this kid is looking for NIL and ND doesn’t really have a chance to I’m committing and all signs point to ND. I’m glad he’s going to visit now vs. what Bowen and Keeley did.

It just feels to me he put out that commitment stuff to get other schools and teams to be more aggressive and see what he can get from them. I guess that’s his right and should be doing that, but don’t like our chances with a guy if he is primarily NIL as all writers were saying just before these last few weeks.
it very well might be due to NIL but I feel like it's disingenuous to this young man, and to all recruits, to simply assume that every time they decide to slow things down, it's based solely on chasing a bag.

Didn't he just recently receive a UGA offer? If I was offered by the B2B National Champs, it would catch my attention, too.

The dude is a five star, 11 months away from early signing day, and is picking up more and more offers. I wouldn't have been surprised if he took a beat pre NIL era.

It's a mature decision to take a moment and gather all the data before making a decision, especially this early in the process. This doesn't spell doom and gloom for the Irish. If anything, if he does commit later, it'll be a more solid commitment than before.
 
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At the end of the day, prospects making informed decisions will always be in ND's best interest, one way or another.

However, I do think there are some signs this recruitment has some unusual (for a ND signee) volatility too it.
This isn't someone who has been on the national radar since 8th or 9th grade. He's not some NFL HOF son or anyone's legacy. The way this went national hot and heavy was not expected. The people around him knew he was good, but no one was really expecting where it is at. His offer list and book of offers has gone far beyond ND and the Big Ten region, obviously, and that was something that I'm not sure Scott or the people around him were prepared for.
 

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This isn't someone who has been on the national radar since 8th or 9th grade. He's not some NFL HOF son or anyone's legacy. The way this went national hot and heavy was not expected. The people around him knew he was good, but no one was really expecting where it is at. His offer list and book of offers has gone far beyond ND and the Big Ten region, obviously, and that was something that I'm not sure Scott or the people around him were prepared for.
That was not intended to be an indictment of the young man or his family. More so an observation of the situation.

My push back would be, I think we're short selling how far along in the process he is. He visited OSU, Miami, and USC during the season (while also not visiting ND). A lot of these programs have been recruiting him for close to a year now. He's been getting big boy recruited for long enough to know what NIL is and how those school are playing it. Hence his top 8 includes mostly NIL schools. He also was outspoken enough to tell an ND media outlet that ND wasn't recruiting him hard enough (paraphrasing that a bit). ND then throws the kitchen sink at him. He sets a commitment date and we're off...

That is until UGA offers, he wants to take a visit. And, now the commitment is being pushed back. I have no problems with this, at all. I would just say that a majority of ND commitments that stick don't look this way. That is all. Scott could be a Stephon Tuitt. Or he could be a Peyton Bowen. I have no idea. It's just not the traditional recruitment.
 

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it very well might be due to NIL but I feel like its disingenuous to this young man, and to all recruits, to simply assume that every time they decide to slow things down, it's based solely on chasing a bag.

Didn't he just recently receive a UGA offer? If I was offered by the B2B National Champs, it would catch my attention, too.

The dude is a five star, 11 months away from early signing day, and is picking up more and more offers. I wouldn't have been surprised if he took a beat pre NIL era.

It's a mature decision to take a moment and gather all the data before making a decision, especially this early in the process. This doesn't spell doom and gloom for the Irish. If anything, if he does commit later, it'll be a more solid commitment than before.
Stop bringing a level headed clear thinking approach to this board.
 

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That was not intended to be an indictment of the young man or his family. More so an observation of the situation.

My push back would be, I think we're short selling how far along in the process he is. He visited OSU, Miami, and USC during the season (while also not visiting ND). A lot of these programs have been recruiting him for close to a year now. He's been getting big boy recruited for long enough to know what NIL is and how those school are playing it. Hence his top 8 includes mostly NIL schools. He also was outspoken enough to tell an ND media outlet that ND wasn't recruiting him hard enough (paraphrasing that a bit). ND then throws the kitchen sink at him. He sets a commitment date and we're off...

That is until UGA offers, he wants to take a visit. And, now the commitment is being pushed back. I have no problems with this, at all. I would just say that a majority of ND commitments that stick don't look this way. That is all. Scott could be a Stephon Tuitt. Or he could be a Peyton Bowen. I have no idea. It's just not the traditional recruitment.

He could also be seen as a we learned form Bowen situation. The paid sites imo sound like they are pushing him to take these visits now. We want this rule of no officials to stay but we also don’t want to be played and you take 10 unofficial visits.

I want Scott in this class badly but the staff is doing one hell of a job recruiting players across the board. Some players are different than Carr and that’s ok. The staff will continue to be in his ear a lot unless they see things changing than I expect them to switch their focus.
 

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That was not intended to be an indictment of the young man or his family. More so an observation of the situation.

My push back would be, I think we're short selling how far along in the process he is. He visited OSU, Miami, and USC during the season (while also not visiting ND). A lot of these programs have been recruiting him for close to a year now. He's been getting big boy recruited for long enough to know what NIL is and how those school are playing it. Hence his top 8 includes mostly NIL schools. He also was outspoken enough to tell an ND media outlet that ND wasn't recruiting him hard enough (paraphrasing that a bit). ND then throws the kitchen sink at him. He sets a commitment date and we're off...

That is until UGA offers, he wants to take a visit. And, now the commitment is being pushed back. I have no problems with this, at all. I would just say that a majority of ND commitments that stick don't look this way. That is all. Scott could be a Stephon Tuitt. Or he could be a Peyton Bowen. I have no idea. It's just not the traditional recruitment.
When you said "unusual volatility", I was agreeing and took a stab as to explaining why.

Even with all of this being said, his season ended in November in the state semifinals and he's gone into basketball, but the national portion of his recruiting has taken on additional momentum recently. It's rather odd that he said he was tired of being inundated with communication, ND was giving him space, then he says ND isn't in contact as much and suddenly Al Washington is a fixture at Chicago Catholic League January Basketball fixtures.

It's definitely weird and I agree with you on that. I do think that despite the big boy recruiting has most certainly ramped up a notch since the turn of the New Year. It's a lot for some of our snowflake fans, imagine what it's like being at the center of it at 17 years old.
 

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St. Ignatius hosts Brother Rice. Should be a good one. And I hope Ignatius gives them the business.
 

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There’s a funny rumor on the Michigan 247 board that Washington showed up to Scott’s mom’s place of employment uninvited and she is very upset he would do that.

Apparently she called a number thinking it was the NCAA demanding to speak to Freeman about the situation. Instead, she called some UM fans place of employment. When she realized it was the wrong # she hung up. They did some digging and are assuming the recruit was Scott. Only reason why they’re assuming is because her last name is not the same as his, but she did have a Chicago area code.

Loy locked the thread on II saying he doesn’t believe it’s true, but the UM thread is still up if you want a laugh.
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I'm really starting to wonder if opiods are more popular than I thought. Not just an IE thing, but the blanket "recruiting sux, I don't care, wake me up on NSD" is taking years off my life.

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There’s a funny rumor on the Michigan 247 board that Washington showed up to Scott’s mom’s place of employment uninvited and she is very upset he would do that.

Apparently she called a number thinking it was the NCAA demanding to speak to Freeman about the situation. Instead, she called some UM fans place of employment. When she realized it was the wrong # she hung up. They did some digging and are assuming the recruit was Scott. Only reason why they’re assuming is because her last name is not the same as his, but she did have a Chicago area code.

Loy locked the thread on II saying he doesn’t believe it’s true, but the UM thread is still up if you want a laugh.
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Welp if they are at the basketball game tonight then it didn’t happen or didn’t matter. If they aren’t then kind of a hilarious fuck up. I mean if Al Washington is that level of a dog on the trail, then I am willing to eat the L under the safe assumption that the commitment level of that nonsense will lead to plenty of W’s. Also somebody calling for the NCAA or Marcus Freeman but getting generic Michigan Fan’s employer sounds impossible because whenever I put into google “Walmart” it gives me a local walmart number not one in Ann Arbor (the whore).
 

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There’s a funny rumor on the Michigan 247 board that Washington showed up to Scott’s mom’s place of employment uninvited and she is very upset he would do that.

Apparently she called a number thinking it was the NCAA demanding to speak to Freeman about the situation. Instead, she called some UM fans place of employment. When she realized it was the wrong # she hung up. They did some digging and are assuming the recruit was Scott. Only reason why they’re assuming is because her last name is not the same as his, but she did have a Chicago area code.

Loy locked the thread on II saying he doesn’t believe it’s true, but the UM thread is still up if you want a laugh.
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I guess you never know but this certainly sounds pretty implausible. In addition, Scott is supposed to be visiting ND over the weekend which is another cog in the storyline.
 
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