'23 MI QB Dante Moore (Greek Spaghetti Transfer)

[Some Irish Bloke]

They're not wrong on the poor QB recruiting. It's been what...15 years since we've landed a 5 star, and it was Dayne Crist? In previous years we went for the low/mid 4 star talent and locked them up. With Freeman's push to bring in top talent, is it his call to focus on Moore and not pursue any others? I personally think Moore is out of our league, and for that reason we shouldn't be pursuing him alone. The fact is ND just hasn't produced QB talent for decades, not the kind that succeeds at the next level. We've had some good to great college QBs here, but if you're one of the top QB talents in the nation you just don't come to ND if the NFL is your target. I think that's a big reason Moore will ultimately go elsewhere. I'd love to be proven wrong. Development aside, I'm willing to bet someone will offer more $$$ too.

I get the point you're trying to make but I can't subscribe to this attitude. So, since we haven't had an NFL caliber QB in 15 years (which one could argue directly correlates to why we haven't gotten over the natty hump), we should just throw in the towel and only recruit guys who are < 5 star caliber? Or, when we lead for the 5 star guy, we should recruit another guy and piss him off just because of a track record from a previous coaching staff? We have to give Freeman a chance to show what he can do as the head man.

I disagree and actually believe it's the opposite; it's time to swing for the fences, which is exactly what they're doing here. If we don't hit on Moore, it won't be great for our QB room's depth but we will be "fine" with Buchner &/or Pyne, and Angeli, with the potential for another 3-4 star somebody by the end of this cycle. Then, we can focus on hitting one of Sayin or Carr in '24. Plus the transfer portal as Plan C, a-la Coan, which worked out pretty damn well if you ask me.

In summary, I truly believe with Buchner having 2-3 years of football left here, with Angeli providing a decent "high-floor, low-ceiling" skill set, this is the prefect class to go all in on that difference maker in Moore.

As far as QB development goes, it's hard to argue that Rees didn't squeeze every ounce of talent out of Ian Book that he had, and despite popular belief, Coan had one helluva season last year, especially in the second half. I think Rees deserves the benefit of the doubt there.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

I just think if ND’s QB is at a level where they would get drafted in the first ~5 rounds, the defense is at or very close to elite level, the OL is the same along with multiple draftable skill players (WR and RB), our chances to get back to the champs podium are extremely good. Our special teams would also need to be solid with maybe a wildcard skill returner.

I mean...this was our 2020 squad with Ian Book, who went in the 4th round. I think we need that difference maker, 1st round talent, like many have said across many threads on this site.

 

[Rockin’Irish]

I mean...this was our 2020 squad with Ian Book, who went in the 4th round. I think we need that difference maker, 1st round talent, like many have said across many threads on this site.

I agree with you but I wouldn’t say our defense was at or very close to elite (I’m talking close to where UGA was last season) and we didn’t have multiple NFL ready skill players to really push the opposition. I’d take an Ian Book but with a stronger arm and better pocket awareness. Of course, I’d rather have a 1st round QB if given the option. However, I think there is more than one formula to get the job done.

 

[Sea Turtle]

Take it to the bank.

 

[317Irish]

Take it to the bank.

That one doesn’t exactly instill confidence on where we stand with Moore…

 

[ThePiombino]

Take it to the bank.

I suspect that's precisely what Moore is trying to do.

 

[CoachB]

Usc had Leinart, Cassel, Sanchez, Palmer, Barkley, Darnold

OSU has/had Haskin, Fields, Cardale, Troy Smith albeit most were and are nfl garbage but...

Yeah, but I meant if a current recruit would look at a place and see who they develop. None of those USC guys were under their current regime. Back in the day, sure.

 

[ab2cmiller]

Some have alluded to the possibility that Dante has a NIL guarantee associated with ND to beat the highest competing NIL offer.

If so, and that is the reason why Dante hasn't publicly committed yet, do you think this has any significant negative impact if he were to wait until signing day?

Are they telling other offensive recruits that Dante is locked in but just can't go public yet because he wants to maximize the NIL guarantee?

Is the only negative consequence, that ND fans are freaking out?

 

[TNUtoNotreDame]

Take it to the bank.

I use credit unions. Banks tend to be predatory.

 

[IrishLax]

Some have alluded to the possibility that Dante has a NIL guarantee associated with ND to beat the highest competing NIL offer.

If so, and that is the reason why Dante hasn't publicly committed yet, do you think this has any significant negative impact if he were to wait until signing day?

Are they telling other offensive recruits that Dante is locked in but just can't go public yet because he wants to maximize the NIL guarantee?

Is the only negative consequence, that ND fans are freaking out?

This isn't a thing.

 

[NDBoiler]

This isn't a thing.

I was actually hoping it was, would make me feel a lot better about this recruitment.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

So Rees will lean on Tyler/Angeli and a QB from ‘24? Dante can take as many visits as he wants for as long as we wants. But he should know ND will rightfully be aggressive pursuing ND interests and wont be left holding the bag.

Yes, which is why they can afford to go "all-in" on Dante.

 

[HouseofPain]

I know I will get heat on this but I dont believe in the NIL thing. ND is supposed to be a cut above and different....so be different. You shouldnt have to pay kids to play for you as if getting a 200k education isnt enough. And as like a poster on here posted earlier, it is far from a given that these 5 star kids pan out anyway. Someone has to make a stand on this. I get it, we all want to win and win big but this is a bad road to go down.

 

[Irish#1]

I know I will get heat on this but I dont believe in the NIL thing. ND is supposed to be a cut above and different....so be different. You shouldnt have to pay kids to play for you as if getting a 200k education isnt enough. And as like a poster on here posted earlier, it is far from a given that these 5 star kids pan out anyway. Someone has to make a stand on this. I get it, we all want to win and win big but this is a bad road to go down.

It appears there is a detour and everyone who wants a legit chance at a natty has to go down this road. I think in a couple of years there will be some things put in place that will make 2021, 2022 & 2023 outliers more than the norm.

 

[stlnd01]

I know I will get heat on this but I dont believe in the NIL thing. ND is supposed to be a cut above and different....so be different. You shouldnt have to pay kids to play for you as if getting a 200k education isnt enough. And as like a poster on here posted earlier, it is far from a given that these 5 star kids pan out anyway. Someone has to make a stand on this. I get it, we all want to win and win big but this is a bad road to go down.

To be fair, it appears we are. And we may ultimately lose an elite QB recruit over it.

There's no sign that we're giving recruits the kind of upfront money that Tennessee and A&M clearly are, that Oregon and Miami seem to be. We're not ignoring NIL, and we're providing opportunities for our current players (like Kyle Hamilton, who did well for himself last year). But Freeman has said repeatedly that if a recruit's first priority is NIL money, he probably should look elsewhere. Time will tell if that's Dante.

 

[Irish4life]

Loy reporting that NIL isn't a factor in making Moore wait. That he's on his own timeline, and will make a decision when he's ready to make it. Said that Moore still may pop in the summer but that he also wants to see what the on field product is. Reiterated that he has Moore picking ND.

 

[ThePiombino]

Loy reporting that NIL isn't a factor in making Moore wait. That he's on his own timeline, and will make a decision when he's ready to make it. Said that Moore still may pop in the summer but that he also wants to see what the on field product is. Reiterated that he has Moore picking ND.

Still trying to figure out if ND lighting it up offensively this season would be a good thing or bad thing for this recruitment...

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[Irish4life]

Still trying to figure out if ND lighting it up offensively this season would be a good thing or bad thing for this recruitment...

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Way I see it, if Buchner/the offense are good and that dissuades Moore from coming......perfectly fine with him winding up elsewhere.

 

[Riddickulous]

Still trying to figure out if ND lighting it up offensively this season would be a good thing or bad thing for this recruitment...

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If Buchner is the stud everyone wants him to be, he'd probably be gone after 2023. I think it'd be a positive.

 

[IrishLax]

NIL isn't a factor... but visits only big NIL schools + ND. Seems legit.

 

[TorontoGold]

Way I see it, if Buchner/the offense are good and that dissuades Moore from coming......perfectly fine with him winding up elsewhere.

I think Moore looks at the depth chart of the other schools and sees the below.

LSU - WHoward/Nussmeier sophs, will likely be starters for 23/24
Oregon - Thompson soph, likely 23 starter
Miami - Van Dyke/Garcia sophs, 23/24 starters
T A&M - Weigman soph, probably the starter in 23?
Michigan - JJ soph, starter 23/24

Based on the other QB rooms, it looks like ND actually has the most favorable spot for him to come in and be the guy sooner than at the other schools.

 

[ThePiombino]

I think Moore looks at the depth chart of the other schools and sees the below.

LSU - WHoward/Nussmeier sophs, will likely be starters for 23/24
Oregon - Thompson soph, likely 23 starter
Miami - Van Dyke/Garcia sophs, 23/24 starters
T A&M - Weigman soph, probably the starter in 23?
Michigan - JJ soph, starter 23/24

Based on the other QB rooms, it looks like ND actually has the most favorable spot for him to come in and be the guy sooner than at the other schools.

How is our situation any more favorable? Likely starter this year is also a sophomore. Also, isn't Howard a frosh?

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[Irish4life]

I think Moore looks at the depth chart of the other schools and sees the below.

LSU - WHoward/Nussmeier sophs, will likely be starters for 23/24
Oregon - Thompson soph, likely 23 starter
Miami - Van Dyke/Garcia sophs, 23/24 starters
T A&M - Weigman soph, probably the starter in 23?
Michigan - JJ soph, starter 23/24

Based on the other QB rooms, it looks like ND actually has the most favorable spot for him to come in and be the guy sooner than at the other schools.

I agree.

 

[TorontoGold]

How is our situation any more favorable? Likely starter this year is also a sophomore. Also, isn't Howard a frosh?

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This for as at the start of 2023.

Buchner is more "established" than Thompson/Garcia/Nuss who are from the same class, the assumption I had was that since they're less established, it's more likely the stay for 4 years to try and be the starter at their school. As well, with LSU they have Howard right behind Nuss, and A&M has a 5 star 2022.

 

[ulukinatme]

I get the point you're trying to make but I can't subscribe to this attitude. So, since we haven't had an NFL caliber QB in 15 years (which one could argue directly correlates to why we haven't gotten over the natty hump), we should just throw in the towel and only recruit guys who are < 5 star caliber? Or, when we lead for the 5 star guy, we should recruit another guy and piss him off just because of a track record from a previous coaching staff? We have to give Freeman a chance to show what he can do as the head man.

I disagree and actually believe it's the opposite; it's time to swing for the fences, which is exactly what they're doing here. If we don't hit on Moore, it won't be great for our QB room's depth but we will be "fine" with Buchner &/or Pyne, and Angeli, with the potential for another 3-4 star somebody by the end of this cycle. Then, we can focus on hitting one of Sayin or Carr in '24. Plus the transfer portal as Plan C, a-la Coan, which worked out pretty damn well if you ask me.

In summary, I truly believe with Buchner having 2-3 years of football left here, with Angeli providing a decent "high-floor, low-ceiling" skill set, this is the prefect class to go all in on that difference maker in Moore.

As far as QB development goes, it's hard to argue that Rees didn't squeeze every ounce of talent out of Ian Book that he had, and despite popular belief, Coan had one helluva season last year, especially in the second half. I think Rees deserves the benefit of the doubt there.

I'm fine with swinging for the fences, I just think it shouldn't hurt to have a solid backup plan if it falls through. I feel like a number of schools will outspend ND behind the scenes to get Moore, and our poor track record with landing top talent and having them exceed in the NFL will harm our chances. Quite frankly the deck is stacked against ND financially and historically, which is why I find it humorous Rees would be blamed if Moore doesn't commit. I get it, he's the OC and QB coach, but he's also the #1 example of how we've struggled with QB talent in the past Rees was LITERALLY the QB that unseat our last 5* talent to become starter because that 5* talent didn't pan out. The whole thing is ironic. Bottom line: would love to have Moore, but I have a bad feeling he's not coming, and I think it's out of Rees' hands due to no fault of his own. On the flip side I'm also fine with Buchner, Pyne, and Angeli so whatever happens happens and we'll survive.

 

[ACamp1900]

Loy reporting that NIL isn't a factor in making Moore wait. That he's on his own timeline, and will make a decision when he's ready to make it. Said that Moore still may pop in the summer but that he also wants to see what the on field product is. Reiterated that he has Moore picking ND.

Someone needs to make sure he’s on a trip to the Arctic when we play tOSU

 

[MacIrish75]

I'm fine with swinging for the fences, I just think it shouldn't hurt to have a solid backup plan if it falls through. I feel like a number of schools will outspend ND behind the scenes to get Moore, and our poor track record with landing top talent and having them exceed in the NFL will harm our chances. Quite frankly the deck is stacked against ND financially and historically, which is why I find it humorous Rees would be blamed if Moore doesn't commit. I get it, he's the OC and QB coach, but he's also the #1 example of how we've struggled with QB talent in the past Rees was LITERALLY the QB that unseat our last 5* talent to become starter because that 5* talent didn't pan out. The whole thing is ironic. Bottom line: would love to have Moore, but I have a bad feeling he's not coming, and I think it's out of Rees' hands due to no fault of his own. On the flip side I'm also fine with Buchner, Pyne, and Angeli so whatever happens happens and we'll survive.

Shit I’d take a stand-up double.

 

[arahop]

I know I will get heat on this but I dont believe in the NIL thing. ND is supposed to be a cut above and different....so be different. You shouldnt have to pay kids to play for you as if getting a 200k education isnt enough. And as like a poster on here posted earlier, it is far from a given that these 5 star kids pan out anyway. Someone has to make a stand on this. I get it, we all want to win and win big but this is a bad road to go down.

Capitalism. The full ride isn't commensurate. Wins on the football field equate to Millions of Dollars made by the University. If Dante Moore is the QB at ND and goes to NYC for the Heisman what's the monetary value on that?

 

[ThePiombino]

I'm fine with swinging for the fences, I just think it shouldn't hurt to have a solid backup plan if it falls through. I feel like a number of schools will outspend ND behind the scenes to get Moore, and our poor track record with landing top talent and having them exceed in the NFL will harm our chances. Quite frankly the deck is stacked against ND financially and historically, which is why I find it humorous Rees would be blamed if Moore doesn't commit. I get it, he's the OC and QB coach, but he's also the #1 example of how we've struggled with QB talent in the past Rees was LITERALLY the QB that unseat our last 5* talent to become starter because that 5* talent didn't pan out. The whole thing is ironic. Bottom line: would love to have Moore, but I have a bad feeling he's not coming, and I think it's out of Rees' hands due to no fault of his own. On the flip side I'm also fine with Buchner, Pyne, and Angeli so whatever happens happens and we'll survive.

Rees shouldn't necessarily be blamed if we don't land Moore, but he sure as shit should be blamed for not landing Moore AND not having a contingency plan.

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[TNUtoNotreDame]

Rees shouldn't necessarily be blamed if we don't land Moore, but he sure as shit should be blamed for not landing Moore AND not having a contingency plan.

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He has a three star waiting in the wings ( panic add). You know it, I know it, any ND fan know it. Rees is not a great recruiter.