'23 IL WR Carnell Tate (Ohio State Verbal)

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IrishRazor82 said:
His argument is "I think he's a diva and others aren't".

Neither of us have a clue who's a diva and who's not, and there's no reason to assume Tate is. How many times has Tate committed/recommitted?

Remind me of the facts.
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And you countered his argument by listing players that chose to go to the NFL after 3 years. Brilliant.

I agree that we have no clue who's a diva and who isn't

You just need to make better arguments. LOL
 
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ab2cmiller said:
And you countered his argument by listing players that chose to go to the NFL after 3 years. Brilliant.

I agree that we have no clue who's a diva and who isn't

You just need to make better arguments. LOL
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His argument was "he's a diva" and "just wants to be somewhere 3 years". So yes, I absolutely provided a list of ND guys who just came for 3 years successfully. And there were many more that came in who's NFL dreams didn't pan out and quietly thought they'd be here 3 years.
 
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Dale said:
Tate isn’t a diva. Dude tweets once a month and it causes a freak out. Now he wants to visit, let’s see Bama, Georgia and LSU? Haha. Wanting to visit schools like that isn’t diva behavior it’s completely rational behavior. ND fans just don’t want him too.
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How dare you not make giant assumptions about his character.
 
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Way off topic at this point but Tate’s Twitter activity is less that of his roommate M’Pemba. He pushed his timeline back just like M’Pemba. He visits many places, just like M’Pemba. The only difference is our frame of reference, expectations and where we reportedly sit.
 
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IrishRazor82 said:
Your premise is based on a complete assumption that the staff who knows this kid doesn't have. And you're upset you get pushback on that, lol. FOH.
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My assumptions are based on the articles about him, the info in his thread, his own words, the entire history of ND recruiting (well, at least of the last ~15 years since high school recruiting has become a big business), and the mission of ND as a university and the role of the football team in it. There are patterns that can be drawn. And for the 3rd or 4th time, I may be wrong about Tate.

Your assumptions are based on your gut...and your proclivity to argue, attempt to misdirect, and troll. Once again, patterns can be drawn. Crystal clear patterns on your part.

It's also quite hilarious how my premise that I doubt Tate will come to ND, and then have some reservations if he does, are outlandish. But yours that he'll come here, play and do well early as a freshman, and thrive for years is somehow based on sound reasoning, experience, and fact.

My observations of you and your posts aren't based on assumptions. They are based on facts and history.
 
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irishog77 said:
My assumptions are based on the articles about him, the info in his thread, his own words, the entire history of ND recruiting (well, at least of the last ~15 years since high school recruiting has become a big business), and the mission of ND as a university and the role of the football team in it. There are patterns that can be drawn. And for the 3rd or 4th time, I may be wrong about Tate.

Your assumptions are based on your gut...and your proclivity to argue, attempt to misdirect, and troll. Once again, patterns can be drawn. Crystal clear patterns on your part.

It's also quite hilarious how my premise that I doubt Tate will come to ND, and then have some reservations if he does, are outlandish. But yours that he'll come here, play and do well early as a freshman, and thrive for years is somehow based on sound reasoning, experience, and fact.

My observations of you and your posts aren't based on assumptions. They are based on facts and history.
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"I think Tate is a diva even though he hasn't committed anywhere, he just is, trust me, and if you don't accept that he is, or that he's likely to transfer out of ND you're a troll".

Hell of a take.
 
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IrishRazor82 said:
"I think Tate is a diva even though he hasn't committed anywhere, he just is, trust me, and if you don't accept that he is, or that he's likely to transfer out of ND you're a troll".

Hell of a take.
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You forgot this:

"My assumptions are based on the articles about him, the info in his thread, his own words, the entire history of ND recruiting (well, at least of the last ~15 years since high school recruiting has become a big business), and the mission of ND as a university and the role of the football team in it. There are patterns that can be drawn."

You also forgot to back up any of your claims, ya know, like why he'll come here, why he'll play early, why he'll stay, why he'll thrive.
 
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irishog77 said:
You forgot this:

"My assumptions are based on the articles about him, the info in his thread, his own words, the entire history of ND recruiting (well, at least of the last ~15 years since high school recruiting has become a big business), and the mission of ND as a university and the role of the football team in it. There are patterns that can be drawn."

You also forgot to back up any of your claims, ya know, like why he'll come here, why he'll play early, why he'll stay, why he'll thrive.
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I never said he'll likely come here.

I said if he does I believe he stays at ND because most players who play immediately do stay. It's as simple as that and any assumptions painting him as a flight risk (again, a kid who's committed to no one) are just shit on a wall. Which is fine, but don't whine when you get push back when making assumptions based on nothingness.
 
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IrishRazor82 said:
I never said he'll likely come here.

I said if he does I believe he stays at ND because most players who play immediately do stay. It's as simple as that and any assumptions painting him as a flight risk (again, a kid who's committed to no one) are just shit on a wall. Which is fine, but don't whine when you get push back when making assumptions based on nothingness.
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Nobody is whining.

You either can't comprehend words, tolerate others' opinions, genuinely engage in discussions, or some combination of 2 or 3 of those.

You also said, without evidence or reference:

If he commits he certainly took his time, made his visits, and knows what hes getting into.
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Right. Because that's just the way the majority of 19 year olds work. It's just a matter of it being cut-and-dried because you say so.

Then you blatantly ignored how he's changed his timeline and/or gives one of this summer/fall...but then says he may wait until ESD or January. You also ignored how he wants a 3 year plan from schools- not a 4 year plan, but a 3 year plan. You further ignored that he often alludes to Dante Moore being important for taking visits, as well as the fact that he's alluded to him specifically or other "elite" QB's coming on board being paramount in his decision.

So yet again, I hope he comes and does well. I'm not optimistic though.

Now carry on with your #hottakes
 
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irishog77 said:
Nobody is whining.

You either can't comprehend words, tolerate others' opinions, genuinely engage in discussions, or some combination of 2 or 3 of those.

You also said, without evidence or reference:


Right. Because that's just the way the majority of 19 year olds work. It's just a matter of it being cut-and-dried because you say so.

Then you blatantly ignored how he's changed his timeline and/or gives one of this summer/fall...but then says he may wait until ESD or January. You also ignored how he wants a 3 year plan from schools- not a 4 year plan, but a 3 year plan. You further ignored that he often alludes to Dante Moore being important for taking visits, as well as the fact that he's alluded to him specifically or other "elite" QB's coming on board being paramount in his decision.

So yet again, I hope he comes and does well. I'm not optimistic though.

Now carry on with your #hottakes
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Lol I don't have a hot take. My take is literally "we don't know anything". But yeah, let's carry on.
 
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He will be on campus for the March 18th weekend. Unclear how long, but will be there per Loy.
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Awesome news. For Loy to note that it sounds like it's going to be a swing in on another trip, otherwise why say "who knows how long".

I'm broken.
 
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IrishRazor82 said:
Awesome news. For Loy to note that it sounds like it's going to be a swing in on another trip, otherwise why say "who knows how long".

I'm broken.
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I think he just doesn't have the info yet. He's visiting OSU April 1-3rd so doubt he's headed there, and if he is, then he's good as gone anyway. Unsure when IMG spring break is, but could be that he is just home in Chicago and making a day trip if in fact he doesn't come overnight.
 
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I assume the “how long” was included because there would be a difference on if he’s visiting for the 17th only, which is the first day of practice, versus overnight and bleeding into the weekend visitors. I believe Malik Hartford is also 17th only. But being at the very first practice would be a nice look.
 
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I won't believe ND has a shot at Tate until he takes his first snap in blue and gold.

This isn't even an anti-Carnell post as some have in here as I think his interest in ND was genuine. After seeing what Wilson and Olave have done, and the defining moment being Smith-Ngigbe record breaking game vs Utah, I think OSU jumped into a big lead and I don't blame him.
 
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