'23 FL DE Keon Keeley (Prodigal Son)

[IrishLion]

All you Jabronis who think NIL doesn't benefit ND in a huge way is crazy.
Before NIL schools/boosters were still paying big name recruits to go to their school while ND wasn't. Now ND boosters can do it (just not up front) and ND has the largest fan base in college football. NIL benefits ND probably more then any other college in football. Before NIL, Miami Bama ATM were all paying kids and know that ND can legally do it they woke a sleeping monster

 

[Mavericknyc1980]

What am I missing? Did something change and we are confident.

 

[GATTACA!]

What am I missing? Did something change and we are confident.

I’m confident…….that we’re fucked.

 

[arahop]

What am I missing? Did something change and we are confident.

ND BOT have zero desire to offer a competitive upfront NIL package to match the fair valuation and worth of the Elite 5 stars. Confidence level is near zero. No official decommitment yet but he won't be playing for ND. None of this is for lack of effort on the coaching staffs part. They did their job.

All you Jabronis who think NIL doesn't benefit ND in a huge way is crazy.
Before NIL schools/boosters were still paying big name recruits to go to their school while ND wasn't. Now ND boosters can do it (just not up front) and ND has the largest fan base in college football. NIL benefits ND probably more then any other college in football. Before NIL, Miami Bama ATM were all paying kids and know that ND can legally do it they woke a sleeping monster

What happened to Dante Moore? What is happening to Keon Keeley?

 

[Whiskeyjack]

ND BOT have zero desire to offer a competitive upfront NIL package to match the fair valuation and worth of the Elite 5 stars. Confidence level is near zero. No official decommitment yet but he won't be playing for ND. None of this is for lack of effort on the coaching staffs part. They did their job.

No university's BoT is approving individual NIL packages. Most of this stuff is being handled through back channels by boosters.

 

[T Town Tommy]

I’d like to make a PSA, I want to apologize to T Town Tommy for posting info that I thought to be irrelevant. I didn’t intend to be hateful, just tired of seeing the same old…

So to you sir, I apologize. Please keep posting as you will, I’ve just learned to avoid the constant thread bump.

And yet, here I am, 🤦‍♂️

No need for apologies. We’re all just passionate when it comes to CFB. Go Irish.

 

[IrishBoognish]

No need for apologies. We’re all just passionate when it comes to CFB. Go Irish.

I love this message board.

You just dont see stuff like this interaction anywhere else.

 

[arahop]

It always felt like this could go this way.

Is this an NIL thing or did ND just plain get out recruited? If the new staff can’t land/hold on to a few of these kinds of guys, does ND just forever trudge along in their current tier?

Any chance Freeman/Washington/Golden can get a hold of this thing again?

Yes it's 100 percent NIL.
Zero percent staff related.
Very good chance that this is best we can hope for. Occasional playoff appearances where ND just doesn't have the horses to win those games. Same 35 year trend continues, actually could get worse adding NIl to the equation. NIL is another major obstacle joining
"Academic Fit" and "ND kid"

f.u.n.d.s are low

 

[Dale]

Yes it's 100 percent NIL.
Zero percent staff related.

That’s not accurate.


We’re still talking about Alabama and Nick Saban. This isn’t Miami, Tennessee, Oregon, or even A&M.

 

[AlaskanIrish]

I’m confident…….that we’re fucked.

Exactly. I respect your, and many others,' views. And I'm grateful for this site. I think what was being asked, though, was what was the source of the hysteria over not only Keeley, but ND's NC viability based on his recruitment.

 

[IrishBoognish]

I dont understand how the lure of "come to ND and become a legend by bringing us back. And you'll get the degree and plenty of NIL"


doesn't work better with KK types then...

"Come to Bama and be another cog in the machine while earning a little more NIL"



But im not the one hearing the pitches. Im sure they're crazy alluring.

 

[arahop]

Keon is being sold on being developed as a high NFL draft pick, guaranteed. If he his focused solely on NIL he wouldn't be looking at Alabama

Moore we potentially lost to NIL, but would we have lost him prior to NIL due to up front money? You can make just has much at ND with NIL as any other school now if you bet on yourself and perform. Before it was just the shady deals on a few schools that were paying top athletes. ND Benefits in a huge way from NIL

When was Bama's last edge rusher drafted in the first round?
No need to "bet" on yourself when you don't have to, and the Bama's of the world drop life changing money in your bank the moment you step on campus.

I thought that the NIL could be an advantage but we have the data we need to come to our conclusion. Missed the 2 biggest fish because of it and a chance at a program changing class. ND is slow moving in the world of College Football and always a couple steps too slow. I trade stocks for a living and in that world, the trend is the trend. Very frustrating considering that the coaches finally did their job and landing multiple players in the top 10. Not on them.

 

[nin05]

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I dont understand how the lure of "come to ND and become a legend by bringing us back. And you'll get the degree and plenty of NIL"


doesn't work better with KK types then...

"Come to Bama and be another cog in the machine while earning a little more NIL"



But im not the one hearing the pitches. Im sure they're crazy alluring.

Right? No matter how well you play there, they aren't your accomplishments. They're Saban's.

 

[stlnd01]

That’s not accurate.


We’re still talking about Alabama and Nick Saban. This isn’t Miami, Tennessee, Oregon, or even A&M.

Yep. He's not looking at the straight-up-buying-players schools. He's also talking about an OV to Ohio State, which seems comparable to Notre Dame, bag-wise. I don't really buy this is just about NIL, even if that's a convenient scapegoat.

Keeley committed early, maybe too early. But it's true he never really shut down his recruitment. And eventually the really big fish came calling. And even taking NIL out of it Bama has a lot to offer (Let's be real here. When was the last time we beat Bama straight-up for an elite player from the South?). And when Nick Saban came to visit his high school, he got to listening. Who wouldn't? (And yes they probably have a better up-front NIL offer than we do, which sweetens the pot.) And now here we are.

I actually view that as a good thing, personally. He's not just selling himself to the highest bidder. Which means if - big if - we are still in the mix, we still have a shot to sell him on why he committed to Notre Dame in the first place. And maybe we get over ourselves on the NIL front between now and Signing Day. But you have to keep working him. I guess we'll see if that happens.

 

[NDdomer2]

I dont understand how the lure of "come to ND and become a legend by bringing us back. And you'll get the degree and plenty of NIL"


doesn't work better with KK types then...

"Come to Bama and be another cog in the machine while earning a little more NIL"



But im not the one hearing the pitches. Im sure they're crazy alluring.

Lol cog in the machine that cracks out conference and national championships on the regular as well as consistent nfl draft picks.

This is exactly what every 5* kid grows up dreaming about.

 

[arahop]

That’s not accurate.


We’re still talking about Alabama and Nick Saban. This isn’t Miami, Tennessee, Oregon, or even A&M.

What did his mom tweet out a while back? I understand that it's Bama and Saban. Remember when Nick strategically campaigned about NIL. Then a flurry of recruits followed suit. Same reason Bama gets guys back year after year who get a draft evaluation on rounds 1-3 and come back. They are getting 💰 to stay. How many ND kids stick around when getting NFL evaluations in those rounds when they have eligibility left. NIL is out in the open. If you want to buy that ND just got "outrecruited" ok. I interpret it differently. Going to be hard to quantify. Looks cut and dry to me.

 

[Sea Turtle]

Me, every time this thread has new posts:

 

[choo choo]

A class with no QB or real bona-fide blue chip on the defense will be a disappointment.

Sorry, it will be very much like a Kelly class. Uneven.

But. What if. What if buch is a real 5*?

 

[Dale]

What did his mom tweet out a while back? I understand that it's Bama and Saban. Remember when Nick strategically campaigned about NIL. Then a flurry of recruits followed suit. Same reason Bama gets guys back year after year who get a draft evaluation on rounds 1-3 and come back. They are getting 💰 to stay. How many ND kids stick around when getting NFL evaluations in those rounds when they have eligibility left. NIL is out in the open. If you want to buy that ND just got "outrecruited" ok. I interpret it differently. Going to be hard to quantify. Looks cut and dry to me.

I never said I don’t think NIL is a part of it. It’s not 100% which is what you said. It’s a component of Alabama’s overall pitch. He could go find a better deal elsewhere if it was 100% of it. Bama could be offering a fraction of other places, which is more than ND, up front but not enough to constitute statements like he’s going there 100% because of NIL.

Saban had 0% impact? Pretty unlikely.

 

[arahop]

I never said I don’t think NIL is a part of it. It’s not 100% which is what you said. It’s a competent of Alabama’s overall pitch. He could go find a better deal elsewhere if it was 100% of it.

I guess in my mind. If ND theoretically matched the offer. Not happening but we could hope for that alternate world. I feel like he would still sign with ND. I'm more going off the chain of events and timeline. I believe NIL is the main catalyst and Bama's NIL game is a lot more powerful than NDs and it shouldn't be... And it absolutely pisses me off. So many smart, progressive, creative ways could carve out this path but it's just not playing out that way. Hard for players say we will get you that NIL bit it will pay off in year 3 or year 4 at ND. If I'm the player or the parent I'm thinking, what if my kid has a career ending injury? It's among other things a very valuable Insurance policy.

Imagine a timeline where Jaylon Smith is a senior and the NIL was in play during his recruitment. He goes with his heart and soul and comits to ND over OSU who theoretically offered Jaylon 250k a year for a total package between 750k-1 mil. He passes it up for ND shows him how can get equal money but it won't show up until year 3-4. Week 1 against Temple Jaylon looks every bit of the generational talent he was projected to be. Instead of tearing up his Knee in his very last game as Junior, he's also a projected top 5 pick he does this
in week 2 of his Freshman year he tears his knee to shreds and is never the same explosive player again.
Upfront money is King especially in football. Guaranteed money is most important in every professional contract. Selling the future isn't.

 

[arahop]

They are not selling him on when they put the last edge rusher into the NFL, they are selling him on how many players they put in the NFL per year. If you think Bama is a premier program for NIL you are mistaken. There are 12-18 programs that will pay more up front then Bama. NIL is not the reason he is looking a Bama.
Again I will reiterate, ND benefits from NIL. They have the largest brand and largest fan base in College Football to go with a national TV deal, the only national deal in college football.

I wish you were right but your hope and my hope for ND in the NIL world isn't reality.
Reiterate all you want but here is data to prove you wrong. 3 total in the top 25 highest paid players in all of college with 2 Bama players in the top 10!
Bryce Young 1.8 Mil
Will Anderson 718k
Jameson Williams 365k
Hoops player JD Davison 445k
That's 16 percent of the top 25 top paid NCAA players.
So Bama is a premier program in NIL

To further disprove your point, add in that #14 is an Alabama hoops player. Bama is trying to pay for a relevant Hoops program. You better believe a hell of a lot more is funneled into Football.

 

[arahop]

The NIL 100 Top 25​

1. Bronny James: High school basketball — $5.1 million
2. Mikey Williams: High school basketball — $2.6 million
3. Bryce Young: Alabama football — $1.8 million
4. Arch Manning: High school football — $1.6 million
5. CJ Stroud: Ohio State football — $1.1 million
6. Travis Hunter: High school football — $870,000
7. Evan Stewart: High school football — $801,000
8. Will Anderson: Alabama football — $718,000
9. Spencer Rattler: South Carolina football —$693,000
10. Amari Bailey: High school basketball — $588,000
11. Aidan Hutchinson: Michigan football — $557,000
12. Dior Johnson: High school basketball — $522,000
13. Emoni Bates: Memphis basketball — $506,000
14. JD Davison: Alabama basketball — $445,000
15. Caleb Williams: Oklahoma/NCAA Transfer Portal football — $434,000
16. Braden Galloway: Clemson football — $433,000
17. Chris Olave: Ohio State football — $423,000
18. Dorian Thompson-Robinson: UCLA basketball — $406,000
19. Kenny Pickett: Pitt football — $401,000
20. Matt Corral: Ole Miss football — $364,000
21. Jameson Williams: Alabama football — $364,000
22. Jaxon Smith-Njigba: Ohio State sophomore — $357,000
23. Jared McCain: High school basketball — $323,000
24. Kayvon Thibodeaux: Oregon football — $319,000
25. Skyy Clark: High school basketball — $313,000

 

[Dale]

On3’s NIL Valuation is not data. It’s completely made up nonsense.

 

[Irish4life]

The NIL 100 Top 25​

1. Bronny James: High school basketball — $5.1 million
2. Mikey Williams: High school basketball — $2.6 million
3. Bryce Young: Alabama football — $1.8 million
4. Arch Manning: High school football — $1.6 million
5. CJ Stroud: Ohio State football — $1.1 million
6. Travis Hunter: High school football — $870,000
7. Evan Stewart: High school football — $801,000
8. Will Anderson: Alabama football — $718,000
9. Spencer Rattler: South Carolina football —$693,000
10. Amari Bailey: High school basketball — $588,000
11. Aidan Hutchinson: Michigan football — $557,000
12. Dior Johnson: High school basketball — $522,000
13. Emoni Bates: Memphis basketball — $506,000
14. JD Davison: Alabama basketball — $445,000
15. Caleb Williams: Oklahoma/NCAA Transfer Portal football — $434,000
16. Braden Galloway: Clemson football — $433,000
17. Chris Olave: Ohio State football — $423,000
18. Dorian Thompson-Robinson: UCLA basketball — $406,000
19. Kenny Pickett: Pitt football — $401,000
20. Matt Corral: Ole Miss football — $364,000
21. Jameson Williams: Alabama football — $364,000
22. Jaxon Smith-Njigba: Ohio State sophomore — $357,000
23. Jared McCain: High school basketball — $323,000
24. Kayvon Thibodeaux: Oregon football — $319,000
25. Skyy Clark: High school basketball — $313,000

About On3 NIL Valuation and Roster Value

The On3 NIL Valuation, Post Value and the NIL 100 set the standard market value for student-athletes and their NIL deals.

www.on3.com

"While the algorithm includes deal data, it does not act as a tracker of the value of NIL deals athletes have completed to date, nor does it set an athlete’s NIL valuation for their entire career."

 

[arahop]

Bama players NIL is greater than NDs. Is this even an argument?
So tax returns are the only way these can be monitored? I don't see how the NCAA can reel this to any standard. Just not going to happen
loophole city. Rules! There are no rules

High School NIL: State-by-state regulations for name, image and likeness rights - Opendorse

Find out how the state that you live in dictates if you can monetize from your name, image and likeness.

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IN LAW and other legal minds? Is there a path to standard playing field here?
These legal battles seem like they would take year. Going to be a long time on "Spirit of the rules purgatory"

 

[jprue24]

Bama players NIL is greater than NDs. Is this even an argument?
So tax returns are the only way these can be monitored? I don't see how the NCAA can reel this to any standard. Just not going to happen
loophole city. Rules! There are no rules

High School NIL: State-by-state regulations for name, image and likeness rights - Opendorse

Find out how the state that you live in dictates if you can monetize from your name, image and likeness.

biz.opendorse.com

IN LAW and other legal minds? Is there a path to standard playing field here?
These legal battles seem like they would take year. Going to be a long time on "Spirit of the rules purgatory"

I am not a legal mind, but the path is through federal legislation that holds up in court.

 

[ThePiombino]

We weren't remotely playing the pay for play pre NIL. We're definitely playing NIL, just not NIL for play. (Likely won't ever)
We're still in a better position post NIL than pre.

Maybe not for top 50/100 players but for the 100/250 range which is still improvent overall.

Our hope is, and always has been, a QB savior.

Freeman needs to pray that's Carr and we hold on to him.

Agree with all of this.

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[ThePiombino]

That’s not accurate.


We’re still talking about Alabama and Nick Saban. This isn’t Miami, Tennessee, Oregon, or even A&M.

Makes sense since Saban didn't arrive at Bama until recently, so this wouldn't have been an issue back when they 1st offered. Oh. Wait...

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[ThePiombino]

On3’s NIL Valuation is not data. It’s completely made up nonsense.

Which is in line with most of their content.

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[Dale]

Makes sense since Saban didn't arrive at Bama until recently, so this wouldn't have been an issue back when they 1st offered. Oh. Wait...

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or these things don’t happen overnight and they’ve been building a relationship with Keeley (and circle) since January and the NIL possibility is what pushed if over the top. He was offered and visited within weeks so it’d say there in fact was a threat to ND back when they first offered. Just because Saban, Bama, staff etc didn’t show up overnight doesn’t mean they had zero impact? Did our staff only have impact on guys we landed instantly? I don’t think the best HC in college football history maybe had a non zero impact is that unlikely.