'23 CA QB Nico Iamaleava (Tennessee Verbal)

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Jiggafini19Deux said:
Ohtani is getting $700M.

Yeah, but he plays for the Dodgers, so the taxes.

Said no one ever.

At least we're getting into the weeds a bit with NIL and the Portal that we're talking about what these guys are making after taxes. I'm sure Lincoln Riley was fretting last week on the 15th as he looked down from the backyard of his majestic mansion.
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Bad example but your point still stands. Ohtani didnt defer almost his entire contract to help the dodgers. He knows he’ll be long out of that shit hole state when they start paying him the real money on this contract.
 
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Jiggafini19Deux said:
Ohtani is getting $700M.

Yeah, but he plays for the Dodgers, so the taxes.

Said no one ever.

At least we're getting into the weeds a bit with NIL and the Portal that we're talking about what these guys are making after taxes. I'm sure Lincoln Riley was fretting last week on the 15th as he looked down from the backyard of his majestic mansion.
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And Bowdens cock in his ass.
 
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@Cackalacky2.0 you know I love you brother, and we are in 100% agreement that players should have as much agency over their own NIL and disposition as coaches do.

But that doesn't mean shopping yourself around in the middle of spring ball isn't a dick move, and that you're immune from any criticism.

Just like I can call BK a dick for the way he told UC players he wasn't going anywhere during their winter banquet, only to head out the double doors and field a call from ND immediately, it's okay to say that Nico did not handle his freedom of movement very well.
 
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IrishLion said:
@Cackalacky2.0 you know I love you brother, and we are in 100% agreement that players should have as much agency over their own NIL and disposition as coaches do.

But that doesn't mean shopping yourself around in the middle of spring ball isn't a dick move, and that you're immune from any criticism. This is not a fact. Its just not. No one "knows" this to be true in any sense of reliability.

Just like I can call BK a dick for the way he told UC players he wasn't going anywhere during their winter banquet, only to head out the double doors and field a call from ND immediately, it's okay to say that Nico did not handle his freedom of movement very well. Again.... no one knows exactly what occurred in both instances. Im not going to blame either BK or Nico as I have an incomplete understanding of the situation and their decision making process.
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What Im saying is and Im not sure how this was missed but, .......none of us..... no one... not a single person on this planet truly knows anything about the situation other than him and whomever he has confided everything in. So I ask, how can a person sit here and judge this kid, judge his family, while not simultaneously blaming the schools or collectives, for making poor decisions? No one truly knows anything about what led to his decision. He also siad he spoke to God. Maybe he did. Maybe thats not good enough for the God fearing people here and elsewhere? Maybe they dont believe him? Why? Its all speculation or reported inuendo and ultimately people here have such strong opinion son absolutely nothing that they are willing to jam this kid into a piece of shit box and thrown him in the garbage pile.

Its kind of ridiculous to me. Thats all Im saying.

As an aside or corollary, I recently took another position with another firm and I have existing projects that require managing and transitioning. Its a lot of money and responsibility to be handing off to someone else...particularly because it puts that in the hands of my bosses and I do not know who will take them over after I am gone. Some people at my firm took it poorly. Some think Im just up and leaving with literally much less notice than this kid provided his coaches. Others took it better and yet no one is wishing terrible outcomes for me. No one is online saying they hope I get hit with a new tax burden because of my decisions. lol. Why is it different for a NCAA kid playing football in the United States University Semiprofessional Football League? Maybe it would be different if there was a website dedicated to the transfers of structural engineers across America in the private business sector. lol

Why are people hanging on the words of completely fake NIL valuations and details. No one knows what these packages completely include, or if the kids even come close to getting the reported value, or if there are performance related payments, or if they are in total or part royalties, one-time payments. Payments up front. Transporation, Housing, free food, gym memberships.... whatever. Maybe the collectives didnt live up to their part of the agreement while he was at Tennessee/ Does anyone know this? Has anyone reported that? Would that impact the decision to lump this kid into making a bad decision if the collectives didnt own up to their part? No one knows and they are literally not required to dicslose it.
 
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Cackalacky2.0 said:
What Im saying is and Im not sure how this was missed but, .......none of us..... no one... not a single person on this planet truly knows anything about the situation other than him and whomever he has confided everything in. So I ask, how can a person sit here and judge this kid, judge his family, while not simultaneously blaming the schools or collectives, for making poor decisions? No one truly knows anything about what led to his decision. He also siad he spoke to God. Maybe he did. Maybe thats not good enough for the God fearing people here and elsewhere? Maybe they dont believe him? Why? Its all speculation or reported inuendo and ultimately people here have such strong opinion son absolutely nothing that they are willing to jam this kid into a piece of shit box and thrown him in the garbage pile.

Its kind of ridiculous to me. Thats all Im saying.

As an aside or corollary, I recently took another position with another firm and I have existing projects that require managing and transitioning. Its a lot of money and responsibility to be handing off to someone else...particularly because it puts that in the hands of my bosses and I do not know who will take them over after I am gone. Some people at my firm took it poorly. Some think Im just up and leaving with literally much less notice than this kid provided his coaches. Others took it better and yet no one is wishing terrible outcomes for me. No one is online saying they hope I get hit with a new tax burden because of my decisions. lol. Why is it different for a NCAA kid playing football in the United States University Semiprofessional Football League?
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I think it is totally reasonable to judge the kid or his support system for so poorly misreading his situation and value, and in turn messing up his own situation, and also that of his team.

Tennessee didn't dump a starting QB for no reason, which leaves two primary possibilities:
1. He asked for more money than he's worth
2. He was shopping around for a better deal at a bad time, and it got back to Tennessee

If option 1, that's a bad read by his camp with all the evidence on film of the growing he still needs to do. And that's not an indictment of the kid as a player! He was a freshman playing SEC ball, and acquitted himself pretty damn well. But it's also true that he feasted on the worst of his opposition, and looked worse against teams with a pulse (as one does). The only reasonable argument to be worth more than your current team is interested in paying, is if you've blown it out of the water against the best competition... and he didn't.

If option 2, that's just poor business practice. Tampering is normal, and kids are shopping themselves around during the season, after the season, during bowl games, during workouts, and during spring ball. But we haven't seen it blow up this spectacularly that often. Occam's razor says Nico's camp fucked this up bigtime somehow.

All evidence points to a screwup on Nico's side. That doesn't mean we're absolving Tennessee, the NCAA, and/or college football at large of all problems and issues on the other end of things.
 
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IrishLion said:
I think it is totally reasonable to judge the kid or his support system for so poorly misreading his situation and value, and in turn messing up his own situation, and also that of his team.

Tennessee didn't dump a starting QB for no reason, which leaves two primary possibilities:
1. He asked for more money than he's worth You do not know this.
2. He was shopping around for a better deal at a bad time, and it got back to Tennessee You dont know this.
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If option 1, that's a bad read by his camp with all the evidence on film of the growing he still needs to do. And that's not an indictment of the kid as a player! He was a freshman playing SEC ball, and acquitted himself pretty damn well. But it's also true that he feasted on the worst of his opposition, and looked worse against teams with a pulse (as one does). The only reasonable argument to be worth more than your current team is interested in paying, is if you've blown it out of the water against the best competition... and he didn't.

If option 2, that's just poor business practice. Tampering is normal, and kids are shopping themselves around during the season, after the season, during bowl games, during workouts, and during spring ball. But we haven't seen it blow up this spectacularly that often. Occam's razor says Nico's camp fucked this up bigtime somehow.

All evidence points to a screwup on Nico's side. That doesn't mean we're absolving Tennessee, the NCAA, and/or college football at large of all problems and issues on the other end of things. None of the "reported" evidence includes anything about Tennessee's decision making process, or any evidence from the Collectives business practices, agreements or handling of the NIL package? I guess you assume they did everything right and all the bad decisions are being made by Nico and his entourage? Im not willing to pass judgement. Both the Collectives and Schools have vested interests in the packages and agreements. If you think that the players are the only ones driving the decision making process, then I dont know what to tell you.
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What if you were to learn that the Collective failed in part on their part of the agreement and it isnt being reported? We do not know how much he has truly been paid to date., We do not have access to his bank accounts. We do not know anything about that the collective promised or agreed to. It could be any reason its not being reported by Hayes Fawcett, or being leaked by Nico's camp? Doesnt matter. The collective didnt do what they promised to Nico and Nico decided he was better off looking for somewhere else.

If they didnt honor their part and it impacted Nico's decision to stay.... how would that impact your decision to judge him based off incomplete information?
 
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I'm not absolving Tennessee, their collective, or any of the "adults" in this situation, which I stated very clearly in my post. Everyone deserves some blame for this mess.

I can be glad that Nico is free to shop himself around, transfer, and sign contract when and where he sees fit, which was looooooooong overdue in college football relative to the freedom coaches and admin have had.

I am also free to read all the signs and realize that somewhere along the way, he made a bad decision, and now he's likely making less money and definitely quarterbacking a worse football program.

He took a risk, and now he's in a (subjectively, of course) worse situation than he was before.

Tennessee also screwed up when they paid the kid whatever they did, and/or when they enabled him to the point that an impasse came up. Also super dumb, and they are ALSO in a worse position than they were before. Everyone is getting what they deserve out of this situation, imo.
 
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IrishLion said:
I'm not absolving Tennessee, their collective, or any of the "adults" in this situation, which I stated very clearly in my post. Everyone deserves some blame for this mess. How can you absolve or not absolve them of anything when we do not know their contributions? Maybe they completely screwed him over, we just dont know about it because it hasn't been "reported".

I can be glad that Nico is free to shop himself around, transfer, and sign contract when and where he sees fit, which was looooooooong overdue in college football relative to the freedom coaches and admin have had. 1000% agree.

I am also free to read all the signs and realize that somewhere along the way, he made a bad decision: As long as you understand you have literally no factual basis for this.
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and now he's likely making less money and definitely quarterbacking a worse football program. Again... you do not know any of this as fact. You do not know how much money was paid by the UT Collective or if they even lived up to their side of the agreement. Maybe the quality of the football program didnt weigh as much as other non-monetary related things? I have taken other jobs that dint pay as much and gave me a much better quality of life.

He took a risk, and now he's in a (subjectively, of course) worse situation than he was before. Subjective for sure. Your worse situation is not at all his worse situation.
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Tennessee also screwed up when they paid the kid whatever they did, and/or when they enabled him to the point that an impasse came up. Also super dumb, and they are ALSO in a worse position than they were before. Everyone is getting what they deserve out of this situation, imo. Tennessee didnt pay him. A collective paid him and we dont even know what that agreement was or how much he was even paid or what any of the other benefits and their related NIL value (LMAO) he received were.
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This is an internet message board, where we all share our shitty opinions with one another on a daily basis. If we reserved our shitty opinions to only those based 100% solely on fact (which really isn't an opinion anyway), there wouldn't be a website for you guys to own.

There have been articles that said he tried to boost his value, and failed. Those articles from major news outlets have been shared and cited. Beyond that, I'm not sure how we "prove" anything else here, or what else we would even have to discuss.

Cack, respectfully, I just feel like this Nico hill his a weird one to die on. I didn't personally review Chad Bowden's two contracts between ND and USC, but I still think he's a Benidict Arnold POS for making a lateral move to our biggest rival. That's my opinion. I'm sticking to it.

I'm sure Nico has his moments as a fine young man, and he is a very solid football player. In my opinion, based on what I've heard and read, he made a poor decision and blew up a pretty good situation. I could be wrong, and I reserve the right to change my opinion if different facts come out.

For now, I'm going to discuss it on here that I think he (and/or his camp) fucked up. Good luck at UCLA, making less money, for a lesser football program.
 
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There is a world where it’s possible that Nico got screwed over by Tennessee and they didn’t hold up their end of the bargain.

That view is not realistic in an any manner. It’s true we probably don’t know all the facts.

What I can say with 100% certainty is that IF Nico was the one being screwed over by Tennessee, he would be screaming it from the highest mountain given the huge PR hit that he is taking right now.
 
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100% certainty lmao. The only thing Im certain of is it takes the Schools, The Collectives, the athletes and the reporters to tango and that we as internet edgelords know jack shit what's truly happening behind the scenes.
 
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