'22 CA WR C.J. Williams (Southern Cal Verbal)

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USC pretty much have to try and get some competent O-Linemen to transfer across.

Their OL recruiting has been shockingly poor for the last 4 years.
 

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USC pretty much have to try and get some competent O-Linemen to transfer across.

Their OL recruiting has been shockingly poor for the last 4 years.

Pfft. Who needs linemen? With Riley at the helm, the SoCal 7 on 7 All-Stars are gonna be champions. Right, CJ?
 

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They picked up a crap ton of linemen in the last two classes, although only one was highly rated I think. They also pulled in 9 transfers last year. I'm not saying by any means they're going to be good, but chances are they'll find a way to make that OL work with all those bodies. Unless they pickup a lot of decent transfers again it'll probably still take a year or two for Riley to get them rolling (If ever).
 

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They picked up a crap ton of linemen in the last two classes, although only one was highly rated I think. They also pulled in 9 transfers last year. I'm not saying by any means they're going to be good, but chances are they'll find a way to make that OL work with all those bodies. Unless they pickup a lot of decent transfers again it'll probably still take a year or two for Riley to get them rolling (If ever).

Hard to build the right culture when you bring in that many transfers who won't be there more than a year or two.
 

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By all metrics, his choice is not down to past or even future performance. It's about staying home, playing in an environment he knows. This is emotional not logical.
I dunno, there are reports that he had zero faith in Notre Dame's QB situation moving forward. Look who we brought in this year, hard to blame him if so. If Buchner isn't what we hope, our QB situation is not championship quality...to say the least. Like RQB room is ok, But it sure as s*** isn't going to move the needle for anyone. At SC they land 2-3 quality QBs every two years. I don't blame him honestly.
 

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I dunno, there are reports that he had zero faith in Notre Dame's QB situation moving forward. Look who we brought in this year, hard to blame him if so. If Buchner isn't what we hope, our QB situation is not championship quality...to say the least. Like RQB room is ok, But it sure as s*** isn't going to move the needle for anyone. At SC they land 2-3 quality QBs every two years. I don't blame him honestly.

lol. This is a great take. They don't have an OL or a defense or an established culture of winning, their singed class as of right now is in the bottom quartile but they bring 2-3 quality QBs every year so you don't blame him? Dafuq kind of half-brained reasoning is this? Are we supposed to take these sympathetic, woe-is-me, 'the irish can't sign QB" posts serious?

We just signed our best class in over a decade, with an on-fire new head coach and we had some WR misses at the end with a head coaching transition less than a month before signing day.

We are doing pretty damn good, fuck the insolent recruits that drag this shit out until the 11th hour and burn bridges. CJ gets exactly what he wants: he can stay home and have 2-3 quality QBs. He better be all universe if wants to win more at USC than ND with the glaring holes in their program.
 

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I dunno, there are reports that he had zero faith in Notre Dame's QB situation moving forward. Look who we brought in this year, hard to blame him if so. If Buchner isn't what we hope, our QB situation is not championship quality...to say the least. Like RQB room is ok, But it sure as s*** isn't going to move the needle for anyone. At SC they land 2-3 quality QBs every two years. I don't blame him honestly.

There's no backing to the statement though. Our Qb performed better this year than what they had at Qb. Buchner has as much potential as anyone on their roster with a better chance to succeed given the state of the program and o line.

Hes hearing what he wants to.
 

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Allegedly, all three of the guys that we lost had NIL money as a factor. It's confirmed for Walker per some professionals, and it explains why he kept ND on the hook for so long. Rumored that it was a factor for Moore and that's one of the main reasons he didn't come back in the fold, and some dude on ISD that I can't vouch for said NIL money from Rick Caruso was a factor for CJ.

In general -- it's important to remember that for a lot of these kids $100k is life changing money depending their family situation. It's the difference between being totally destitute or their parents being able to easily come to games and put food on the table. ND is uniquely positioned such that "pay for play" may not be a huge factor for many of their recruits, but it's naive to think that it won't be an issue moving forward for 1) retaining top performing young players who other schools will try to poach through tampering 2) signing players who like multiple options equally and one of them is putting significant money on the table.

The payroll at Texas A&M and Texas heading into next year is in the millions. ND's is effectively $0. "Immediate eligibility" needs to be scrapped yesterday, and sooner-rather-than-later they need to figure out how to actually regulate NIL money.
 

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I dunno, there are reports that he had zero faith in Notre Dame's QB situation moving forward. Look who we brought in this year, hard to blame him if so. If Buchner isn't what we hope, our QB situation is not championship quality...to say the least. Like RQB room is ok, But it sure as s*** isn't going to move the needle for anyone. At SC they land 2-3 quality QBs every two years. I don't blame him honestly.

and they still lose. So its still an emotional decision.
 

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Allegedly, all three of the guys that we lost had NIL money as a factor. It's confirmed for Walker per some professionals, and it explains why he kept ND on the hook for so long. Rumored that it was a factor for Moore and that's one of the main reasons he didn't come back in the fold, and some dude on ISD that I can't vouch for said NIL money from Rick Caruso was a factor for CJ.

In general -- it's important to remember that for a lot of these kids $100k is life changing money depending their family situation. It's the difference between being totally destitute or their parents being able to easily come to games and put food on the table. ND is uniquely positioned such that "pay for play" may not be a huge factor for many of their recruits, but it's naive to think that it won't be an issue moving forward for 1) retaining top performing young players who other schools will try to poach through tampering 2) signing players who like multiple options equally and one of them is putting significant money on the table.

The payroll at Texas A&M and Texas heading into next year is in the millions. ND's is effectively $0. "Immediate eligibility" needs to be scrapped yesterday, and sooner-rather-than-later they need to figure out how to actually regulate NIL money.

I believe Prister alluded to this in his question to CMF at yesterday’s presser. Marcus noted that ND will not follow the other schools throwing NIL money (through intermediaries b/c the schools doing it directly is forbidden…LOL) at recruits.
 

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Allegedly, all three of the guys that we lost had NIL money as a factor. It's confirmed for Walker per some professionals, and it explains why he kept ND on the hook for so long. Rumored that it was a factor for Moore and that's one of the main reasons he didn't come back in the fold, and some dude on ISD that I can't vouch for said NIL money from Rick Caruso was a factor for CJ.

In general -- it's important to remember that for a lot of these kids $100k is life changing money depending their family situation. It's the difference between being totally destitute or their parents being able to easily come to games and put food on the table. ND is uniquely positioned such that "pay for play" may not be a huge factor for many of their recruits, but it's naive to think that it won't be an issue moving forward for 1) retaining top performing young players who other schools will try to poach through tampering 2) signing players who like multiple options equally and one of them is putting significant money on the table.

The payroll at Texas A&M and Texas heading into next year is in the millions. ND's is effectively $0. "Immediate eligibility" needs to be scrapped yesterday, and sooner-rather-than-later they need to figure out how to actually regulate NIL money.

I agree that ND is uniquely advantaged. If you read between the lines with Dabo's recent comments, he is in a full on panic attack because even though they employ shady recruiting in the past, their small donor base and limited NIL opportunities in northwest South Carolina is no match for the big boys they have been competing with up until this year. I'm fully expecting their recruiting competiveness to dry up fairly quickly
 

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I'll at least stump for the fact that under Dabo Clemson hasn't been one to oversign or process kids and has a strong graduation rate.

I suspect those things are all about to change, though, and he surely realizes that he's being coerced into it.
 
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This might all be NIL driven. Heard SC is promoting how much money he can make with their ties to "Hollywood."

I told you all a month ago what I was hearing this was all about. We are in a new world of recruiting. Paying kids has been made legal even before they set foot on campus. The latest trend I am hearing is this is what is driving the transfer portal as well. Ohio State QB gets $1 million to play. Texas offers $1.5 for him to transfer and so on and so on until they run out of eligibility.
 

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Also realize the top players at Mater Dei are recruited like college players (they all did not choose that school for the national exposure). They already know the game. I know a family back in my day in the 80's where the school purchased the family a house in Santa Ana. Most of this stuff in not new it is just easier to do especially at the college level.
 

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Also realize the top players at Mater Dei are recruited like college players (they all did not choose that school for the national exposure). They already know the game. I know a family back in my day in the 80's where the school purchased the family a house in Santa Ana. Most of this stuff in not new it is just easier to do especially at the college level.

Mater Dei high school, in the ‘80’s, purchased a house for a student’s family? GTFOH.
 

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Gonna be crazy how many millionaires will be sitting around talking about how all they had to do was ride a bench for a couple years.
 

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Mater Dei high school, in the ‘80’s, purchased a house for a student’s family? GTFOH.

Yup. That is when they tried to enforce kids living in the district of the school they attended even parochial. Don't want to dish on an open board, but it was money well spent. The players both went onto to play at top colleges and I know one made his name for decades in the college coaching ranks.
 

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When I was in junior high there was some hot shot QB from our rival school that MD recruited openly, it was crazy for the times
 

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He has looked real good at the AA game, I hope he is happy being a part of a 7 commit class for USC.

I wonder why he even committed to ND in the first place.
 

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C. J. said that he "wanted to play with an Elite QB"...

Not saying he's elite, but he knows that J.T. Daniels transferred, yeah? That's the only higher QB I show USC has signed in the last few years. Unless I missed something, USC's QBs aren't rated any higher than ND's according to 247 :whoknows:
 

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Not saying he's elite, but he knows that J.T. Daniels transferred, yeah? That's the only higher QB I show USC has signed in the last few years. Unless I missed something, USC's QBs aren't rated any higher than ND's according to 247 :whoknows:

Caleb Williams following Lincoln Ruley to USC?
 
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