'21 LA RB Logan Diggs (Notre Dame --> LSU Transfer)

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PutuporShutup said:
I think he's alluding Diggs was Tommy's guy and got too much PT compared to Estime when Estime was clearly the better back (minus fumble issue). It was obvious we started pretty much every game slow running the ball, and diggs was almost always the RB in the first few series where we struggled. It wasn't until estime came in and beat the D up that diggs would start having good runs normally.

Or maybe that's just my take.
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They both were used effectively, that's all that matters.
 
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Diggs was fine. Solid player. Nothing against him. But if there is one position where we HAD to take some attrition, it would be at RB, IMO. I think losing a player at literally any other position would be worse. And if I had to choose between losing 1A and 1B, we kept the one that I would prefer, definitely.
 
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CoachB said:
Diggs was fine. Solid player. Nothing against him. But if there is one position where we HAD to take some attrition, it would be at RB, IMO. I think losing a player at literally any other position would be worse. And if I had to choose between losing 1A and 1B, we kept the one that I would prefer, definitely.
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Sadly, the college football landscape has changed. Good players are going to transfer in and good players are going to transfer out.

I agree with you all that Estime is the premier back. In a way, Estime reminds me a little of Lenoard Fournette in his play. I never thought Diggs was great or stood out at anything, but he was just good all around. It's also no secret that John Emery Jr. (LSU) hasn't lived up to his #1 running back, 5 star status. It also isn't a secret that John Emery is uhh...well..."struggling" to say the very least with academics. He very well may not be on the team or playing this year. That said, Diggs should get what he has sought out - to be both closer to home and to be the featured, primary back at LSU.

Sure, you hate to see quality players leave the program, but it isn't too big of a blow. Notre Dame's running back depth is stacked, and given the addition of Hartman, I think you'll see ND throwing the significantly ball more -- consequentially, the backs will not be getting the number of carries that they did last year. Plenty of quality players to hand the ball off to, though.
 
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CoachB said:
Diggs was fine. Solid player. Nothing against him. But if there is one position where we HAD to take some attrition, it would be at RB, IMO. I think losing a player at literally any other position would be worse. And if I had to choose between losing 1A and 1B, we kept the one that I would prefer, definitely.
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I agree - but only if JD is back in some capacity and Love is ready to get carries aaaand if Payne can stay healthy (long history of getting injured)

Aka - I agree, but still some concerns - but there would be "what ifs" at any position group too
 
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FightingIrishLover7 said:
I agree - but only if JD is back in some capacity and Love is ready to get carries aaaand if Payne can stay healthy (long history of getting injured)

Aka - I agree, but still some concerns - but there would be "what ifs" at any position group too
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You can always work Tyree in on some carries, too. I'd like to see Tyree get some sweeps and just the ball in space, generally. Regarding Jeremiyah Love, I've got a good friend in St. Louis that's involved in coaching high school football. He believes Love can play immediately. I can't tell you how much he's praised the guy, and has said he's so fluid and smooth when he runs.
 
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He is currently 3rd string RB at LSU? So he transferred to be 3rd string when he woulda been 1B here.
 
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NDFAN2008 said:
He is currently 3rd string RB at LSU? So he transferred to be 3rd string when he woulda been 1B here.
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Not so sure on that, maybe to start the season. IMHO from a talent perspective, he would be the 6th most talented RB, but would have started out maybe as 1B (if he didn't have a lazy off season like last year) due to experience. Rees loved him for some reason despite stats clearly showing estime (other than fumbles) was better.
 
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NDFAN2008 said:
He is currently 3rd string RB at LSU? So he transferred to be 3rd string when he woulda been 1B here.
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Nobody knows what his role would've looked like exactly this year. Estime may have clearly passed him. He may have ended up splitting carries with 2 other backs as 2a, 2b, 2c. My only assumption is that he felt it was pretty clear that he wouldn't get as many carries this year and so he left.
 
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PutuporShutup said:
Not so sure on that, maybe to start the season. IMHO from a talent perspective, he would be the 6th most talented RB, but would have started out maybe as 1B (if he didn't have a lazy off season like last year) due to experience. Rees loved him for some reason despite stats clearly showing estime (other than fumbles) was better.
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I'm fully convinced now that you just post shit without looking up very simple and readily available information. The numbers from last year show Estime was better, but "clearly?" You make it sound like Rees was trotting out Cam McDaniel 2.0 to vulture carries from Estime.

Both players had over 1,000 all-purpose yards and Estime averaged only 0.5 yards more per touch than Diggs.

I'll never understand why some posters think Diggs was some scrub. He was/is is a very well-rounded RB. We will be fine without him, but he doesn't deserve the constant dunking-on many give him.

It's possible to compliment both players, as they both had very good seasons last year.

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Some Irish Bloke said:
I'm fully convinced now that you just post shit without looking up very simple and readily available information. The numbers from last year show Estime was better, but "clearly?" You make it sound like Rees was trotting out Cam McDaniel 2.0 to vulture carries from Estime.

Both players had over 1,000 all-purpose yards and Estime averaged only 0.5 yards more per touch than Diggs.

I'll never understand why some posters think Diggs was some scrub. He was/is is a very well-rounded RB. We will be fine without him, but he doesn't deserve the constant dunking-on many give him.

It's possible to compliment both players, as they both had very good seasons last year.

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irishfan said:
Damn we shoulda thrown to the backs more
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Of all the criticisms people launch Rees' way, I think this is the one with the most merit. Particularly against Navy 2022, when they were stacking the box and basically running an all out blitz against Pyne in the 2nd half. The lack of screens was staggering that afternoon.
 
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PutuporShutup said:
Not so sure on that, maybe to start the season. IMHO from a talent perspective, he would be the 6th most talented RB, but would have started out maybe as 1B (if he didn't have a lazy off season like last year) due to experience. Rees loved him for some reason despite stats clearly showing estime (other than fumbles) was better.
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Lazy off season? He was pretty busy healing and rehabbing actually. Estime was statistically better because Diggs was often a workhorse closing out games. Watch the UNLV game where we ran him 19 times in a row to close that one out. He only came out when we got to the goal line, and then we switched in a fresh Estime and Tyree. You're not going to get 10 yards a carry when the defense knows you're running it, but it's impressive when you're still picking up 1st downs anyway. Diggs numbers were comparable to Estime's. Audric's were a little better running the ball, Diggs' were better in the pass game and he took care of the football. That last part is why Rees loved him, Audric hadn't yet learned the lesson that Diggs learned in the Fiesta Bowl.
 
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Kingbish01 said:
Logan made the right decision, so did Styles. Good luck to them both, they're gonna need it.
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Oh my goodness, a reasonable take on players transferring from ND.

It's strange to me that posters on IE welcome transfer players when they join ND, but bash our own when they leave ND. Can't have your cake and eat it, too.
 
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Some Irish Bloke said:
I'm fully convinced now that you just post shit without looking up very simple and readily available information. The numbers from last year show Estime was better, but "clearly?" You make it sound like Rees was trotting out Cam McDaniel 2.0 to vulture carries from Estime.

Both players had over 1,000 all-purpose yards and Estime averaged only 0.5 yards more per touch than Diggs.

I'll never understand why some posters think Diggs was some scrub. He was/is is a very well-rounded RB. We will be fine without him, but he doesn't deserve the constant dunking-on many give him.

It's possible to compliment both players, as they both had very good seasons last year.

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Well said. I wouldn't say many are dunking on him though, it's just a handful of the loudest voices :laugh: The vocal minority.
 
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ulukinatme said:
Well said. I wouldn't say many are dunking on him though, it's just a handful of the loudest voices :laugh: The vocal minority.
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That's fair, I think they're just "loud" enough, i.e. they post so much drivel, that it feels like many voices. lol

The rational ND fan recognized that Diggs was a very good football player. Estime couldn't get the ball every time.
 
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Our RB room is a powerhouse. Diggs was/is a good player, yes. But our current RB room is PLENTY good.

My guess is that Diggs liked CoachK and felt that there was a reasonable chance he would be #1 down there.
The fact that he is apparently wrong does not invalidate any of that in past decision making guesswork. AND,
I firmly believe that Coach has given/will give him a full and honest shot at the job. If the other guys are better ... ?


... just to rat myself out, I originally started typing with the idea that Logan was going to Alabama under Tommy.
Just a reminder gentlemen that when you get old you'll need a little slack now and then ... come to think of it,
we need it at any age.
 
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Some Irish Bloke said:
I'm fully convinced now that you just post shit without looking up very simple and readily available information. The numbers from last year show Estime was better, but "clearly?" You make it sound like Rees was trotting out Cam McDaniel 2.0 to vulture carries from Estime.

Both players had over 1,000 all-purpose yards and Estime averaged only 0.5 yards more per touch than Diggs.

I'll never understand why some posters think Diggs was some scrub. He was/is is a very well-rounded RB. We will be fine without him, but he doesn't deserve the constant dunking-on many give him.

It's possible to compliment both players, as they both had very good seasons last year.

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.9ypc difference is huge and audric was our short yardage and goal line back hurting his numbers

People complain about utilizing diggs more in the unlv game to talk about his numbers. Hilarious… running against one of the worst defenses in football is how you increase your numbers, (unlv was 77th vs the run). Diggs also didn't get many carries vs two of the top 3 run defenses we played last year (ohio state and marshall). I think he maybe had 10 carries in those games vs 20 for audric.

If you don't think Diggs was significantly overweight all season last year we won't ever agree. Heck, even audric realized he was a few pounds over weight and he was in much better shape than diggs.

Diggs wasn't a bad back, but it was VERY clear estime was the better running back, and in my opinion, and many others, we didn't use estime enough. I was chapped about that all year.

My personal opinion is Audric wore down defenses, allowing for diggs to spring some big yardage late game runs. Diggs did not have many good runs in the first halves of games.
 
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