'21 LA RB Logan Diggs (Notre Dame --> LSU Transfer)

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Tennessee has Kamara and Patterson....Both big producers. There are 42 SEC running backs on NFL rosters out of 168. That is exactly 25% But ya, if Diggs ends up at Ole Miss (3 nfl running backs to ND's 2) he's taking a huge step down....Which was the crux of this whole debate. P.S....I should have added PSU, I forgot. Shaq and Miles Sanders...Both better.
The crux of the debate was that you stated ND doesn't put many RB's in the league, period. That was it nothing else. You have now gone on to give examples of other schools that put RBs in the league in greater numbers lately which I was never debating. You then went on to state how the SEC puts greater numbers in the draft, which again had nothing to do with your original statement. So I am done with this now. You obviously want to keep changing your argument to fit your own narrative even though it has been proven that ND does and has put many RB's in the league.
 

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This. He could have celebrated the opportunity when Estime struggled, but they were good friends and he was the first one to meet him when he came off the field. The same went when Estime scored or had a big run. He was often motivating guys on the sidelines though. He didn't always get the glory, he would often be the workhorse helping the team get down the field, and Estime came in once we were in the Red Zone. I thought it was cool they highlighted him during that UNLV game for having career highs of 28 carries and 130 yards, they put him on the Jumbotron and the crowd gave him a big ovation for his effort despite getting pulled each drive before he got a chance to score.



It's important to remember that Diggs closed a lot of those games out, when teams knew we were running out clock and expecting to stop the run. Those are hard yards for a back. Certainly 1a and 1b. From a talent standpoint we'll be fine, it's the leadership that will be missed. Hopefully Estime steps up as the leader in that room and the addition of Hartman helps to fill that void.
I don't think I've ever seen a ND player not celebrate a touchdown. There are lots of players that motivate on the sidelines, but (only IMO) it's a different level to be the face/voice of the entire team. I didn't see or not see it from Diggs. I guess I just view him as someone who never seemed to want to be there, so it would be hard to convince me he was captain material.
 

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Have we produced a Derrick Henry or a Leonard Fournette or a Todd Gurley? No. Have we sent a bunch of RBs to the NFL? Yes.

What happens once they get there is somewhat beyond our control. What has Ole Miss done with RBs that's so impressive? I'm confused.
No wait....don't miss the point. If Diggs goes to Ole Miss, that's not some huge step down if he's trying to get into the league. That's all I was saying, and it turned into me bashing my fave team.....All Ole Miss has done was put 3 RB's on rosters to ND's 2, nothing special no stars. If we were talking about an offensive lineman going from ND to Ole Miss....I'd call that a step down...But I'd never call a RB leaving ND for any SEC team not named Vandy a big step down.
 

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I don't think I've ever seen a ND player not celebrate a touchdown. There are lots of players that motivate on the sidelines, but (only IMO) it's a different level to be the face/voice of the entire team. I didn't see or not see it from Diggs. I guess I just view him as someone who never seemed to want to be there, so it would be hard to convince me he was captain material.
He was clearly a leader on the field. Of course they all celebrate, that's a silly statement. Diggs was the first one to pick up Estime when he struggled though, and the first on the field to celebrate him when Estime would score despite the fact Diggs often setup those scoring drives and only had 3 TDs to show for it. He was a vocal motivational force on the sideline encouraging other players too. The whole "foot out the door" thing is played up, he gave 100% while he was enrolled. It comes off like a lot of sour grapes that fans want to throw him under the bus now because he's trying to make a move to better his career (Whether it works or not remains to be seen).

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“Logan's my brother, man,” said Estimé after registering a career-high 20 carries for 123 yards and two TDs. “He's literally my brother from another mother. He’s my roommate. I feel like me and Logan's bond can't be any closer. We're always trying to figure ways out (how) we can push each other to get better every day.

"So, we just have that bond. Honestly, that's just unbreakable, no matter who's having a bad day or a bad week or bad game. We're there for us. We just always feed off each other. Like one has a big run, and it's like, 'All right, it's your turn to go get a big run now.'

"So, I felt like we're just there for each other to lean on and just to push each other to get better."

When Estimé fumbled the first two times, Diggs used motivational support by telling him to keep doing his job and to be better. But last week, it came in the form of tough love.

“I was a real teammate and told him, for real, ‘If you want to play, you've got to hold onto the ball,’” Diggs said after the UNLV game Oct. 22. “It's as simple as that. We have that mutual respect and that love.”
 

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Another irrelevant insert by me: "Development" is the taking of something or someone from a beginning state and then doing something which improves that person or that thing into a (hopefully) more advanced state towards some goal. A grade school coach might do wonders in teaching grade school kids how to hold and catch and run the ball, and have really developed them. On the other hand, if they were all in the middle sectors of natural size and other physical traits, they'd still not play RB on the high school team. They MIGHT see some action just because they were so good at what COULD be taught, but there were some kids just too much naturally bigger and faster.

And the point is...? It is my belief, and to a degree my observation, that over the years the ND coaching staff has done generally VERY well at "developing" who they have to work with. Put one way: If you do not have Leonard Fournette, you will not turn C.J. Procise into him --- but you MIGHT blow everyone's mind and turn CJ Procise into a back who makes an NFL team. ... and in the RB room, the WR room, and even the QB room, that is what the ND staffs have typically been doing. They DO "develop", and develop all over the place. The staff seems to get some top level OLinemen, and guess what? They are developed into NFL players, lots of whom start (and a couple might just make the Hall.) They seem to get some top level TEs, and guess what? Same thing. What they get, they raise to the next level of "good" unless the player or some third circumstance comes in and ruins the process.

So what's their Development Grade? Kind of depends on whether people (irrationally) believe that anyone with a scholarship should be "developable" into an NFL quality player --- I don't, and doubt anyone here does. So the gripe should be: we don't get the masses of players that certain teams get who are just built fundamentally advanced for their age to begin with. I'll bet that with some good textbooks and film, I could have developed a young Usain Bolt into someone who won most of his races --- way less than he did of course, but the point is that it's nice to start with a headstart on the next guy.

I've watched ND for decades get less and less of the very top players migrating in to THE school as freshmen. How good REALLY was Leahy? vs how impossible to deal with were Leon Hart, Jungle Jim Martin, Jerry Groom, Johnny Lujack, and go on for another several pages. Leahy? Sure. A really good coach. Those other guys? Killers. Destroyers. ... who "developed" who in what areas? Saban makes a lot out of who he gets --- but he gets almost EVERYBODY (just like WWII Army did, or Leahy's ND.)

... and IE thoughtful commentary? Usually not too "developed", despite the intensity with which it is presented.
 

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Young man didn’t like Notre Dame that much. It happens. Let’s move on.
Agree 100%, it’s just crazy he lasted 2 years and couldn’t last one more and go to the league. It just seems odd. Totally get that he never truly felt the ND experience but to only need 1 more year and to leave for possibly a team he still won’t be number 1 how miserable was he.
 

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I dont have to pick any of them. You clearly want to keep changing the context of your original statement and cant keep a coherent argument in a straight line. How do any of those schools having a better record at getting RBs in the league change anything I wrote? For crying out loud are you 3 and do not understand what you yourself originally typed? Are you so dense that you don't get ND still does a better job at getting RB's in the league than the overwhelming majority of schools or are you so narcissistic that you can't accept what you originally typed is inaccurate? You think because you list 11 schools out 129 FBS schools in which only 4 of them being SEC teams, and Tennessee not having nearly the numbers in the NFL as ND, that some how that makes your statement that ND does not get RBs in the league accurate?

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You started with Julius Jones. Over the past 20 years, ND has had 5 RBs drafted. Below are all the 64 Power 5 programs during that time. We are a very average Power 5 school here when it comes to producing draft picks at the RB position. 24 schools have produced more draft picks. 5 others have the same amount. When it comes to NFL production at the RB position we are undeniably very below average.

SEC:
—Alabama: 16
—Arkansas: 8
—Auburn: 9
—Florida: 9
—Georgia: 13
—Kentucky: 4
—LSU: 14
—Mississippi State: 4
—Missouri: 4
—Ole Miss: 4
—South Carolina: 4
—Tennessee: 5
—Texas A&M: 7
—Vanderbilt: 2

Big Ten:
—Illinois: 3
—Indiana: 2
—Iowa: 1
—Maryland: 5
—Michigan: 4
—Michigan State: 6
—Minnesota: 2
—Nebraska: 3
—Northwestern: 3
—Ohio State: 9
—Penn State: 5
—Purdue: 0 lol
—Rutgers: 4
—Wisconsin: 7

ACC:
—BC: 2
—Clemson: 7
—Duke: 0
—FSU: 8
—GT: 4
—Louisville: 5
—Miami: 8
—UNC: 7
—NC State: 3
—Pitt: 7
—Syracuse: 2
—Virginia: 4
—VT: 7
—Wake: 1

Big 12:
—Baylor: 4
—Iowa State: 3
—Kansas: 0
—Kansas State: 5
—Oklahoma: 10
—OK State: 7
—TCU: 2
—Texas: 6
—Texas Tech: 2
—WVU: 4

PAC-12:
—Arizona: 3
—ASU: 5
—Cal: 8
—Colorado: 2
—Oregon: 6
—Oregon State: 3
—Stanford: 6
—UCLA: 7
—USC: 11
—Utah: 4
—Washington: 3
—Wash State: 1
 

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You started with Julius Jones. Over the past 20 years, ND has had 5 RBs drafted. Below are all the 64 Power 5 programs during that time. We are a very average Power 5 school here when it comes to producing draft picks at the RB position. 24 schools have produced more draft picks. 5 others have the same amount. When it comes to NFL production at the RB position we are undeniably very below average.

SEC:
—Alabama: 16
—Arkansas: 8
—Auburn: 9
—Florida: 9
—Georgia: 13
—Kentucky: 4
—LSU: 14
—Mississippi State: 4
—Missouri: 4
—Ole Miss: 4
—South Carolina: 4
—Tennessee: 5
—Texas A&M: 7
—Vanderbilt: 2

Big Ten:
—Illinois: 3
—Indiana: 2
—Iowa: 1
—Maryland: 5
—Michigan: 4
—Michigan State: 6
—Minnesota: 2
—Nebraska: 3
—Northwestern: 3
—Ohio State: 9
—Penn State: 5
—Purdue: 0 lol
—Rutgers: 4
—Wisconsin: 7

ACC:
—BC: 2
—Clemson: 7
—Duke: 0
—FSU: 8
—GT: 4
—Louisville: 5
—Miami: 8
—UNC: 7
—NC State: 3
—Pitt: 7
—Syracuse: 2
—Virginia: 4
—VT: 7
—Wake: 1

Big 12:
—Baylor: 4
—Iowa State: 3
—Kansas: 0
—Kansas State: 5
—Oklahoma: 10
—OK State: 7
—TCU: 2
—Texas: 6
—Texas Tech: 2
—WVU: 4

PAC-12:
—Arizona: 3
—ASU: 5
—Cal: 8
—Colorado: 2
—Oregon: 6
—Oregon State: 3
—Stanford: 6
—UCLA: 7
—USC: 11
—Utah: 4
—Washington: 3
—Wash State: 1
Again we weren’t talking about draftees. He said getting RBs into the league. ND does a good job at getting backs into the league.
 

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Tennessee has Kamara and Patterson....Both big producers. There are 42 SEC running backs on NFL rosters out of 168. That is exactly 25% But ya, if Diggs ends up at Ole Miss (3 nfl running backs to ND's 2) he's taking a huge step down....Which was the crux of this whole debate. P.S....I should have added PSU, I forgot. Shaq and Miles Sanders...Both better.
Patterson played Wide Receiver in college so not sure that counts
 

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Young man didn’t like Notre Dame that much. It happens. Let’s move on.
Genuinely not sure why this would be downvoted. It's *OK* to not be comfortable at Notre Dame, and he very clearly never was. This was a rumor with Logan literally every offseason he was here, including when he signed in December and asked ND not to publicize it because he was still considering asking to be let out of his NLI.
 

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He was clearly a leader on the field. Of course they all celebrate, that's a silly statement. Diggs was the first one to pick up Estime when he struggled though, and the first on the field to celebrate him when Estime would score despite the fact Diggs often setup those scoring drives and only had 3 TDs to show for it. He was a vocal motivational force on the sideline encouraging other players too. The whole "foot out the door" thing is played up, he gave 100% while he was enrolled. It comes off like a lot of sour grapes that fans want to throw him under the bus now because he's trying to make a move to better his career (Whether it works or not remains to be seen).

Read this:

Some of it:
What's silly is trying to convince others that he was captain material because he celebrated touchdowns or told estime to hold on to the ball. Is there any other traits that he displayed that warrent this honor? I think it does matter that he seemingly always was looking for a way out. Why would you want someone leading or representing you that doesn't want to be there?
 

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What's silly is trying to convince others that he was captain material because he celebrated touchdowns or told estime to hold on to the ball. Is there any other traits that he displayed that warrent this honor? I think it does matter that he seemingly always was looking for a way out. Why would you want someone leading or representing you that doesn't want to be there?
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What's silly is trying to convince others that he was captain material because he celebrated touchdowns or told estime to hold on to the ball. Is there any other traits that he displayed that warrent this honor? I think it does matter that he seemingly always was looking for a way out. Why would you want someone leading or representing you that doesn't want to be there?
Did you even read the article? Do you not have eyes in your face? Watch the sideline during games and you can see the players that are leaders. They talked about his motivation/leadership in interviews during the season too. You'd have to be completely oblivious to miss some of this stuff.
 

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I was looking forward to using the phrase "can you Digg it" with Diggs, I am over the kids that don't want to be here.

Payne/Love should fill the shoes that Diggs would've this year, hopefully Price can contribute but how much can he coming off his injury?

If Love comes in and surprises in the summer/fall camp he'll be our #2 and hopefully we can forget about Diggs.
 

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I think a guy can love and care about his teammates and work hard and show up in practice and on game days, while also being homesick and (perhaps) feel out of place outside the walls of the football facility, and ultimately decide he wants to be closer to home.

I wouldn’t be at all surprised if that’s what happened here. And if so there’s no need to drag the guy for it. Notre Dame is not for everyone. He gave his best for two years. Wish him luck. We’ll be fine.
 

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He’s looked at LSU, Ole Miss, and now South Carolina. Some sites have said that Miami is also in the mix. Weird. You would assume that he would have this decision wrapped up by now.
 

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Ive read a
He’s looked at LSU, Ole Miss, and now South Carolina. Some sites have said that Miami is also in the mix. Weird. You would assume that he would have this decision wrapped up by now.
I've read a few different places that he's looking for a guaranteed starting spot. Not sure if it's true, but that would make sense why no decision has been made yet.
 

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Like Tyler, is there a way back for Logan?
Notre Dame hasn't replaced him and is under 85 scholarships. If he were to change his mind tomorrow and decide he wants to stay, I doubt they'd say no. But that rarely happens. It was unusual that Buchner even raised the prospect when he entered the portal.
If you mean play somewhere else a year and return as a grad transfer, that's unlikely for Buchner but I'd think even harder to envision for Diggs. He's an academic sophomore, so further from graduating, and RBs only get so much tread on the tires, why wear it out in college?
Seems like his move is go somewhere he can be a featured back one season and then head for the draft.
 
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