'21 LA RB Logan Diggs (Notre Dame --> LSU Transfer)

[Kingbish01]

Diggs is a wholly irrelevant player. He's a complete back and he's talented but he's one of those guys where his "value over replacement" is entirely negligible.

Yep, you said it perfect.

 

[ndfanatic78]

Julius Jones--Old you might as well put Bettis--- Deuce McAllister
Ryan Grant---Old--
Darius Walker--Old
Armando Allen--Old
Theo Riddick---Best back they've put in the NFL in over a decade 1037 career NFL rush yards.
Cierre Wood--12 career rush yards
C. J. Prosise--283 NFL rush yards
Dexter Williams--19 Career NFL yards
Josh Adams-- 680 Career NFL yards
Kyren Williams-- 140 Career rush yards
I'll add a few more Hughes 16 NFL yards, Jones Jr 179 NFL yards. I do believe that's all going to change with MF looking at the way he's recruiting the position. But to act like any RB is crazy to leave ND for an SEC team is just a super fan.

Way to move the goal posts. What did you originally say that I responded to and what was my response? You said ND doesn't put many backs into the NFL. That is incorrect. No where did I say ND produces unbelievable RB talent. I said they have put 10 backs in the NFL in the past 20 years and that is better than most schools including Ole Miss. You even remembered a couple I left off which is even more over 20 years. To act like Ole Miss or just any SEC team is better at producing RB talent is just being a pessimist and putting the SEC on some pedestal they dont deserve.

 

[kzoondfi]

Jonas Gray to add to the list. - Old. Agree with above sentiment. We have gotten plenty drafted but they have not really been producers.

 

[ColinKSU]

Diggs is a wholly irrelevant player. He's a complete back and he's talented but he's one of those guys where his "value over replacement" is entirely negligible.

He's perfectly cromulent.

 

[DONTH8]

Julius Jones--Old you might as well put Bettis--- Deuce McAllister
Ryan Grant---Old--
Darius Walker--Old
Armando Allen--Old
Theo Riddick---Best back they've put in the NFL in over a decade 1037 career NFL rush yards.
Cierre Wood--12 career rush yards
C. J. Prosise--283 NFL rush yards
Dexter Williams--19 Career NFL yards
Josh Adams-- 680 Career NFL yards
Kyren Williams-- 140 Career rush yards
I'll add a few more Hughes 16 NFL yards, Jones Jr 179 NFL yards. I do believe that's all going to change with MF looking at the way he's recruiting the position. But to act like any RB is crazy to leave ND for an SEC team is just a super fan.

The disrespect...

Jonas Gray was on pace to break the season record for rushing yards and TDs in a season until Belichick punished him. Granted, I think Brady just didn't want an ND man to become the face of the franchise...

 

[NDdomer2]

word game thread in a players profile. I like where this is heading

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Diggs is a wholly irrelevant player. He's a complete back and he's talented but he's one of those guys where his "value over replacement" is entirely negligible.

If Estime is RB 1 and Diggs was looking at competing with Price and Payne for the remaining totes…. And we were planning to throw a lot more… I could see those carry numbers down this year.

 

[Kingbish01]

The disrespect...

Jonas Gray was on pace to break the season record for rushing yards and TDs in a season until Belichick punished him. Granted, I think Brady just didn't want an ND man to become the face of the franchise...

What does this mean? Team record, NFL record?? He had half of his seasons (career..lol) production (200 yds 4 tds) in 1 game at the end of the year. I'm not trying to be funny...But a guy heading into week 10 with 200 yards was on pace to break what again???

 

[Kingbish01]

Way to move the goal posts. What did you originally say that I responded to and what was my response? You said ND doesn't put many backs into the NFL. That is incorrect. No where did I say ND produces unbelievable RB talent. I said they have put 10 backs in the NFL in the past 20 years and that is better than most schools including Ole Miss. You even remembered a couple I left off which is even more over 20 years. To act like Ole Miss or just any SEC team is better at producing RB talent is just being a pessimist and putting the SEC on some pedestal they dont deserve.

I'm not moving the goal post, I'm clearly pointing out that ND does not produce NFL talent at RB, maybe the only worse position for them is QB. Even CB got a boost with Love. When you say the SEC doesn't deserve to be on a pedestal....why? They set a record for players drafted from a conference 3 years in a row...new record set this year at 67. I read somewhere that over 25% of all players in the NFL are from the SEC. Maybe I've become a little bias living in the heart of SEC country...but to act like they get credit they don't deserve (strictly from a football standpoint) is absurd.

 

[irishfan]

If you are comparing them to Alabama sure, but ND has put a hell of a lot of RB's in the league, a shit ton more than Ole Miss has. Its been 10 backs over 20 years thats 1 back in the NFL every 2 years. I'm not saying they are RBU by any means but that is better than the overwhelming majority of schools. That is actually the down period for ND backs in the NFL. That list doesn't include Ricky Waters, Jerome Bettis, Tony Brooks, Reggie Brooks or any of the backs from the Holtz era.

Julius Jones
Ryan Grant
Darius Walker
Armando Allen
Theo Riddick
Cierre Wood
C. J. Prosise
Dexter Williams
Josh Adams
Kyren Williams

In other words we’ve had 5 RBs drafted in 20 years? The crowning jewel being Julius Jones in 2004?

 

[benneboy]

Julius Jones--Old you might as well put Bettis--- Deuce McAllister
Ryan Grant---Old--
Darius Walker--Old
Armando Allen--Old
Theo Riddick---Best back they've put in the NFL in over a decade 1037 career NFL rush yards.
Cierre Wood--12 career rush yards
C. J. Prosise--283 NFL rush yards
Dexter Williams--19 Career NFL yards
Josh Adams-- 680 Career NFL yards
Kyren Williams-- 140 Career rush yards
I'll add a few more Hughes 16 NFL yards, Jones Jr 179 NFL yards. I do believe that's all going to change with MF looking at the way he's recruiting the position. But to act like any RB is crazy to leave ND for an SEC team is just a super fan.

It's Ole Miss. He wouldn't be playing for the whole conference. They are a step down from ND in every category except for 'have to go to schoolness' and sorority thots. Those are pretty big draws for some 20 year olds, but Ole Miss is not on NDs level as a football program.

 

[DONTH8]

What does this mean? Team record, NFL record?? He had half of his seasons (career..lol) production (200 yds 4 tds) in 1 game at the end of the year. I'm not trying to be funny...But a guy heading into week 10 with 200 yards was on pace to break what again???

NFL record obviously. Was on pace. Could have finished that season with 1600 yards and 28 touchdowns if they would have fed him the rock. But instead, he got suspended that week for missing a meeting, and the rest is history.

 

[Kingbish01]

NFL record obviously. Was on pace. Could have finished that season with 1600 yards and 28 touchdowns if they would have fed him the rock. But instead, he got suspended that week for missing a meeting, and the rest is history.

So he'd have set the record by finishing the season 600 yards behind Dickerson...LOL All jokes aside, I don't think for a second he'd have rushed for 1200 yards in the final 6 games, even without being in the doghouse.

 

[notredomer23]

NFL record obviously. Was on pace. Could have finished that season with 1600 yards and 28 touchdowns if they would have fed him the rock. But instead, he got suspended that week for missing a meeting, and the rest is history.

 

[DONTH8]

So he'd have set the record by finishing the season 600 yards behind Dickerson...LOL All jokes aside, I don't think for a second he'd have rushed for 1200 yards in the final 6 games, even without being in the doghouse.

Honestly, I think 200 was a conservative pace. I could have seen him go for 300 in each of those games....

 

[stlnd01]

It's Ole Miss. He wouldn't be playing for the whole conference. They are a step down from ND in every category except for 'have to go to schoolness' and sorority thots. Those are pretty big draws for some 20 year olds, but Ole Miss is not on NDs level as a football program.

Hush now, they're in the SEC. Obviously they're superior.

On a serious note, how the hell does LSU not have a good running back? They were an RB machine for a bunch of years.

 

[Old Man Mike]

Leonard Fournette ran out of eligibility.

 

[forkbeard3777]

Hush now, they're in the SEC. Obviously they're superior.

On a serious note, how the hell does LSU not have a good running back? They were an RB machine for a bunch of years.

Just a couple of misses. Ty Davis Price was a very solid, underrated back. I believe he went in the 3rd round last year?

John Emery Jr. just hasn't lived up to his 5* rating. He's still a good back, but Diggs would or should be right in the mix as our top back.

 

[forkbeard3777]

It's Ole Miss. He wouldn't be playing for the whole conference. They are a step down from ND in every category except for 'have to go to schoolness' and sorority thots. Those are pretty big draws for some 20 year olds, but Ole Miss is not on NDs level as a football program.

Yes, benneboy, those "sorority thots" are absolutely a "big draw" for some college kids. And as someone who hates OM, I'll be the first to admit that they are ABSOLUTELY INCREDIBLE in Oxford (same can be said really about the entire SEC sans Vandy).

 

[INLaw]

Yes, benneboy, those "sorority thots" are absolutely a "big draw" for some college kids. And as someone who hates OM, I'll be the first to admit that they are ABSOLUTELY INCREDIBLE in Oxford (same can be said really about the entire SEC sans Vandy).

What’s a thot and can i get them delivered through my Prime account

 

[SeekNDestroy]

What’s a thot and can i get them delivered through my Prime account

You can get a bunch of books about them on Amazon.

 

[Irishdrunk]

So that makes RB U then???

 

[ndfanatic78]

I'm not moving the goal post, I'm clearly pointing out that ND does not produce NFL talent at RB, maybe the only worse position for them is QB. Even CB got a boost with Love. When you say the SEC doesn't deserve to be on a pedestal....why? They set a record for players drafted from a conference 3 years in a row...new record set this year at 67. I read somewhere that over 25% of all players in the NFL are from the SEC. Maybe I've become a little bias living in the heart of SEC country...but to act like they get credit they don't deserve (strictly from a football standpoint) is absurd.

A. yes you moved the goal post of you original statement and it does not hold water. ND is in the top 10% of schools for developing RB talent that goes to the NFL, Ole Miss is not even close. B. You compare the whole of the SEC to ND like that is some fair comparison when the overwhelming majority of drafted players come from 4 schools. Like someone going to Vanderbilt, Ole Miss, or Kentucky has the same odds of making it to the league as some one coming from ND. C. you have now changed your argument from RBs to all draftees.Wrapping the whole SEC into your argument like Diggs would be playing for the whole SEC and not just a singular team is a dishonest argument. Even with that being said when comparing schools to schools ND as of 2021, couldn't find 2023 numbers, is sitting at 5th with only 3 SEC teams ahead of them, none being Ole Miss. So again what you said has been proven false that ND neither produces NFL RB talent and that the whole of the SEC is somehow superior to ND at getting players into the league.

 

[Kingbish01]

Honestly, I think 200 was a conservative pace. I could have seen him go for 300 in each of those games....

Make it 500 yds a game, Lord knows that Pats team didn't have a QB that could win them any games.

 

[ulukinatme]

Why was Diggs captain potential again?

He always (appeared to be) a high-character, high-energy guy. The way he picked up Estime during his struggles last year. Etc. Also I don't think they bring you on one of those trips to Ireland or some such if they don't think you're Face Of The Program type material.

This. He could have celebrated the opportunity when Estime struggled, but they were good friends and he was the first one to meet him when he came off the field. The same went when Estime scored or had a big run. He was often motivating guys on the sidelines though. He didn't always get the glory, he would often be the workhorse helping the team get down the field, and Estime came in once we were in the Red Zone. I thought it was cool they highlighted him during that UNLV game for having career highs of 28 carries and 130 yards, they put him on the Jumbotron and the crowd gave him a big ovation for his effort despite getting pulled each drive before he got a chance to score.

I agree.

Diggs had more carries than Estime in UNLV (28 to 3 carries here), BC (15 v 11), Navy (13 v 8), USC (12 v 6), BYU (17 v 14), and Stanford (9 vs 8). In these games where Diggs had more carries, Estime had more rushing yards in USC, Navy, BYU and had the same amount vs Stanford.

The other games they were either tied or Estime had more carries.

So USC was the only good team that ND played where he had more carries than Estime.Not to say that ND didn’t struggle against some of the weaker teams.

I think it’s overstating it for anyone to say he was ND’s number one back. If anything, they were 1a and 1b with Estime being the more productive runner and Diggs the more productive receiver.

It’s certainly a loss that Diggs is leaving, but I won’t be too upset about it since Estime has shown he’s more than capable.

It's important to remember that Diggs closed a lot of those games out, when teams knew we were running out clock and expecting to stop the run. Those are hard yards for a back. Certainly 1a and 1b. From a talent standpoint we'll be fine, it's the leadership that will be missed. Hopefully Estime steps up as the leader in that room and the addition of Hartman helps to fill that void.

 

[ThePiombino]

Diggs is a wholly irrelevant player. He's a complete back and he's talented but he's one of those guys where his "value over replacement" is entirely negligible.

This right here. And when combined with the fact that he has had a wandering eye since day one, I just don't see this is anything but a net-positive for the program.

 

[Kingbish01]

A. yes you moved the goal post of you original statement and it does not hold water. ND is in the top 10% of schools for developing RB talent that goes to the NFL, Ole Miss is not even close. B. You compare the whole of the SEC to ND like that is some fair comparison when the overwhelming majority of drafted players come from 4 schools. Like someone going to Vanderbilt, Ole Miss, or Kentucky has the same odds of making it to the league as some one coming from ND. C. you have now changed your argument from RBs to all draftees.Wrapping the whole SEC into your argument like Diggs would be playing for the whole SEC and not just a singular team is a dishonest argument. Even with that being said when comparing schools to schools ND as of 2021, couldn't find 2023 numbers, is sitting at 5th with only 3 SEC teams ahead of them, none being Ole Miss. So again what you said has been proven false that ND neither produces NFL RB talent and that the whole of the SEC is somehow superior to ND at getting players into the league.

First, I'm not sure if you're like 14 years old so I'm trying to be cool. But I had a hard time reading anything after you said ND is in the top 10% of schools developing RB talent ....since our crown jewel is Theo Riddick who was mainly a WR and even that was over a decade ago. Serious question...which team would you say ND is better at developing RB talent...Just pick one...Bama, UGA, LSU, Tenn, Stanford, Wisconsin, Oklahoma, OSU, PITT, Iowa St or even Oklahoma St for crying out loud!

ND has two (If I'm not mistaken) RB on NFL rosters Kyren, and Tony Jones Jr... How can you say they are so amazing when Rutgers also has 2....and PS....They are better.

 

[ndfanatic78]

First, I'm not sure if you're like 14 years old so I'm trying to be cool. But I had a hard time reading anything after you said ND is in the top 10% of schools developing RB talent ....since our crown jewel is Theo Riddick who was mainly a WR and even that was over a decade ago. Serious question...which team would you say ND is better at developing RB talent...Just pick one...Bama, UGA, LSU, Tenn, Stanford, Wisconsin, Oklahoma, OSU, PITT, Iowa St or even Oklahoma St for crying out loud!

ND has two (If I'm not mistaken) RB on NFL rosters Kyren, and Tony Jones Jr... How can you say they are so amazing when Rutgers also has 2....and PS....They are better.

I dont have to pick any of them. You clearly want to keep changing the context of your original statement and cant keep a coherent argument in a straight line. How do any of those schools having a better record at getting RBs in the league change anything I wrote? For crying out loud are you 3 and do not understand what you yourself originally typed? Are you so dense that you don't get ND still does a better job at getting RB's in the league than the overwhelming majority of schools or are you so narcissistic that you can't accept what you originally typed is inaccurate? You think because you list 11 schools out 129 FBS schools in which only 4 of them being SEC teams, and Tennessee not having nearly the numbers in the NFL as ND, that some how that makes your statement that ND does not get RBs in the league accurate?

 

[Kingbish01]

I dont have to pick any of them (don't waste your time, all have better RB in the league). You clearly want to keep changing the context of your original statement and cant keep a coherent argument in a straight line. How do any of those schools having a better record at getting RBs (Every school I mentioned as more and better RB's in the NFL...see above) in the league change anything I wrote? For crying out loud are you 3 (43) and do not understand what you yourself originally typed (I typed "Both schools (Ole Miss and ND) don't put many RB's in the NFL, he'd be better off going to LSU"...you hate it but my statement is still correct, you seem like you don't understand)? Are you so dense that you don't get ND still does a better job at getting RB's in the league than the overwhelming majority of schools not in power 5 conferences (fixed). or are you so narcissistic that you can't accept what you originally typed is inaccurate? FALSE You think because you list 11 schools out 129 FBS schools in which only 4 of them being SEC teams, and Tennessee not having nearly the numbers in the NFL (False if we are talking RB) as ND, that some how that makes your statement that ND does not get 'many' RBs in the league accurate? I said many and anyone with half a brain knows that's accurate.

Tennessee has Kamara and Patterson....Both big producers. There are 42 SEC running backs on NFL rosters out of 168. That is exactly 25% But ya, if Diggs ends up at Ole Miss (3 nfl running backs to ND's 2) he's taking a huge step down....Which was the crux of this whole debate. P.S....I should have added PSU, I forgot. Shaq and Miles Sanders...Both better.

 

[stlnd01]

Have we produced a Derrick Henry or a Leonard Fournette or a Todd Gurley? No. Have we sent a bunch of RBs to the NFL? Yes.

What happens once they get there is somewhat beyond our control. What has Ole Miss done with RBs that's so impressive? I'm confused.