'21 IL QB JJ McCarthy (Michigan Verbal)

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

Naz, I appreciate the reply. The recruiting process is a difficult one and people hold grudges or get upset when things don't go their way then they find reasons they were treated wrongly.

I'm not accusing you of fabricating the info, I think this is how recruiting is handled across the nation. If you think Harbaugh has JJ's best interest, by all means, send him there.

We will all hate JJ for 4 years and hope the worst for him for the same amount of time. Which is a bummer because I really liked his tape. I wish JJ had been a 20 recruit, I'm guessing he'd have been offered/signed in a heartbeat.

Regarding Julian's decision, I also think it was the best decision if his goal is to make money. Another year wasn't going to make him faster. Hard to tell what kind of CB crop would've been coming out next year, he could've potentially went a little earlier but probably not enough to justify it.

I've loved Julian's attitude and work ethic since he arrived (and obviously his play was incredible). We'll all be rooting for him in the future.

I hope whatever grudges exist, on either side, will erode quickly because both parties will be better off.

 

[BobbyMac]

JJ should go to Northwestern and play for the OG of spurned lovers. The Mac & Fitz show would be one I could get behind as long as NW stays off ND's schedule.

 

[DONTH8]

JJ is 16, he’s not a business man, he can’t buy cigarettes or join the army. He’s a kid, I have issues with him being used as a bargaining chip. I’m not here to sway people’s opinions of Kelly. It happens at most places but as an ND fan it’s pretty disheartening to me, hence my disappearance. You guys wanted an explanation so there it is, not asking anyone to join me.

This is a good example of why adults are so important in these kids lives. You're right that he's a kid. When I went through the recruiting process, my Dad and my coaches and every adult did their jobs in protecting me from similar problems. Grounding me and teaching me that these are the ways that deals are done and to not take it personal. I walked away from the recruiting process a much better person for it, and it has been such a tool in my life since. I never blamed a coach for doing what was in his and his organizations best interest. I just did my best to try and change my standing and show him that I was his best interest, praying that I would get a chance to prove my value. If I was unable to do that, and instead was used as leverage, I never blamed the coach, and in fact, have kept in touch with a few of them because they have knowledge and vision that was years beyond my own.

I'm glad that JJ has a guy like you in his corner as I mentioned, because I know when he looks back on this time, he'll see the same life lessons and their immeasurable value like I have and he will be so much better for it. Instead of looking back thinking he got screwed over and developing a victim mentality, he'll be a champion wherever he goes in sports, and in life.

 

[Naz2002]

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[Naz2002]

The stuff with the Love's doesn't sound great but the bolded I kind of have a hard time sympathizing with. Hinting at offers does not necessitate being #1 on the board. He knew that we offered one QB in Buchner, who was clearly #1. This was the case for as long as they have been in contact. Obviously, any program would begin dialogue with their #2 Qb prospect once that prospect starts to heat up and the #1 target is remaining uncommitted. JJ knew from the very start that he was #2, and that's how it remained throughout. Hinting at an offer in the coming months really isn't misleading either, because if Buchner didn't commit that offer would have come. You see him as a pawn but it's just smart recruiting. I understand wanting your guy to get that offer. But you also have to take emotions out of a business like college football sometimes unfortunately. If JJ felt like the #1 guy without receiving an offer, that's on him.

You weren’t there for a meeting, don’t tell me it’s on a 16 year old kid. Did Buchner think he was behind Preston Stone? No ND told him he was their guy, as did a certain coach from ND. He told Wisconsin’s QBC (Jon Budmayr) a different story. Just be honest, that’s all.... it’s the business but that doesn’t make it ok and that doesn’t mean I have to tell my kids that’s ok either. Like I said there won’t be a current kid at Naz that will go to ND and that’s because of relationships, the 2022 WR will be top 50 and their family won’t consider it. If you guys are ok with burning bridges and chalking it up as collateral damage that’s fine, but I expect better. Admittedly I can do better to “take my emotions out of things” but if you mistreat my kids I’m not just gonna say “oh well that’s business” because I was previously an ND fan.

 

[Naz2002]

This is a good example of why adults are so important in these kids lives. You're right that he's a kid. When I went through the recruiting process, my Dad and my coaches and every adult did their jobs in protecting me from similar problems. Grounding me and teaching me that these are the ways that deals are done and to not take it personal. I walked away from the recruiting process a much better person for it, and it has been such a tool in my life since. I never blamed a coach for doing what was in his and his organizations best interest. I just did my best to try and change my standing and show him that I was his best interest, praying that I would get a chance to prove my value. If I was unable to do that, and instead was used as leverage, I never blamed the coach, and in fact, have kept in touch with a few of them because they have knowledge and vision that was years beyond my own.

I'm glad that JJ has a guy like you in his corner as I mentioned, because I know when he looks back on this time, he'll see the same life lessons and their immeasurable value like I have and he will be so much better for it. Instead of looking back thinking he got screwed over and developing a victim mentality, he'll be a champion wherever he goes in sports, and in life.

JJ was told to visit and he’d be offered, point blank. The hope was JJ would tell his QB Coach Greg Holcomb, he did btw, and Greg would tell his cohorts in Cali who would tell Tyler. He did and they did, Tyler had pressure without it coming from Rees and Kelly. If you don’t care about JJ McCarthy you applaud this as a savy move that got TB to expedite the process. It worked and ND got their man. I do care about JJ and his dream school dangling an offer to bait another kid doesn’t not sit well. I’m biased, sure, but you guys don’t care about JJ the person either so your opinions are also jaded. It was a low tactic and one that doesn’t sit well with JJ’s family. It will inevitably spill over to those he has relationships with because that’s how this works. I hope we all move past this in the future but for now it hurts to get our classed by Harbuagh, that’s a tough look for someone like me who’s put ND on a pedestal.

Taking objectivity out of it. Someone said who had Harbaugh produced besides Lucky... Fair point but who has Kelly produced?

 

[jspags10pg]

I genuinely hope JJ has a good career wherever he goes. If it's Michigan he can have a great collegiate career but not win any games. Scores of UM-56 OSU 62 are just fine with me. He can get drafted after that and then win titles in the league.

Edit: Let me change that to UM-56 IU-62. F Ohio State too.

 

[FDNYIrish1]

Naz, I appreciate you looking out for the kids interest. I’m assuming you are a coach, keep on doing the right thing. I’ve been through it a few times with kids I train and I always remind them that this is big business. Learn from it and leverage it in the future. Oh, and JLove landed with the Giants so I’m happy about that. Best of luck to JJ, I hope everything works out for him. He’s going to be a great player.

 

[IrishLion]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Michigan?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Michigan</a>’s Top QB Target J.J. McCarthy (<a href="https://twitter.com/jjmccarthy09?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@jjmccarthy09</a>) Models his Game After Shea Patterson’s - "He studied more <a href="https://twitter.com/SheaPatterson_1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@SheaPatterson_1</a> film in the past three years than any other quarterback.” (VIP) <a href="https://t.co/LNp49OhhWM">https://t.co/LNp49OhhWM</a> <a href="https://t.co/jsuWsecQLR">pic.twitter.com/jsuWsecQLR</a></p>— Sam Webb (@SamWebb77) <a href="https://twitter.com/SamWebb77/status/1126834944842653697?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 10, 2019</a></blockquote>
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You could pick any number of successful, multi-year starters at QB to study... but you pick a dude who has been trash against the best defenses he's played? And does Patterson even have three years' worth of film to study?

Naz, get your boy some different film to look at lol

 

[Irish#1]

Name one QB besides Luck that developed/improved under Harbaugh.

Someone said who had Harbaugh produced besides Lucky... ?

A guy named Oliver Luck had more to do in developing Andrew than Harbaugh ever did.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

I'm pretty upset that I'm going to hate JJ for 4 years and he'll never get the wolverine stink off, even if he goes pro.

He'd be so much better off going to NW. Mutual respect and he can help them knock out some B10 schools.

 

[Luckylucci]

Shea Patterson as a role model. Damn, maybe that's the problem here.

 

[Naz2002]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Michigan?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Michigan</a>’s Top QB Target J.J. McCarthy (<a href="https://twitter.com/jjmccarthy09?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@jjmccarthy09</a>) Models his Game After Shea Patterson’s - "He studied more <a href="https://twitter.com/SheaPatterson_1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@SheaPatterson_1</a> film in the past three years than any other quarterback.” (VIP) <a href="https://t.co/LNp49OhhWM">https://t.co/LNp49OhhWM</a> <a href="https://t.co/jsuWsecQLR">pic.twitter.com/jsuWsecQLR</a></p>— Sam Webb (@SamWebb77) <a href="https://twitter.com/SamWebb77/status/1126834944842653697?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 10, 2019</a></blockquote>
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You could pick any number of successful, multi-year starters at QB to study... but you pick a dude who has been trash against the best defenses he's played? And does Patterson even have three years' worth of film to study?

Naz, get your boy some different film to look at lol

He’s a similar player to Patterson and he’s known him for awhile. Patterson has been very good and helpful to JJ. I’m sorry you don’t like him because he goes to Michigan but any college kid that takes the time to work with a younger QB is ok in my book. I hope Shea has a ton of success outside of one game of course.

Watching film isn’t an exercise in watching highlights. A young QB learns way more about the game through failure than they do success. It doesn’t matter if Shea has a good game or bad game but watching his film goes a long way to help JJ. Some of Shea’s reads are wrong and it’s good for JJ to identify them.

One of the schools recruiting him the hardest all along is Michigan so it’s helpful to see how they utilize a similar type QB.

Lastly JJ is just a great kid, knowing his relationship with Shea he is the type to talk him up even when he plays poorly. Michigan is one of his leaders and Shea a friend he’s going to say good things in the media, that’s just how he is.

 

[Naz2002]

I'm pretty upset that I'm going to hate JJ for 4 years and he'll never get the wolverine stink off, even if he goes pro.

He'd be so much better off going to NW. Mutual respect and he can help them knock out some B10 schools.

Michigan doesn’t play ND during his time there and that’s a good thing for ND.

 

[arrowryan]

If JJ goes to UM with Harbaugh there, his chances of developing into a NFL QB are pretty slim.

That being said, for Naz's sake, I hope he has a successful career.

 

[Naz2002]

If JJ goes to UM with Harbaugh there, his chances of developing into a NFL QB are pretty slim.

That being said, for Naz's sake, I hope he has a successful career.

You’re aware everyone says the same thing about ND right? I’m just playing devil’s advocate here because I’ve talked to about 50 power 5’s in regards to JJ. When they thought he was a big ND lean I heard all the negative recruiting I could have wanted. Everyone feels the same “ND can’t develop QB’s.” They don’t think highly of Kelly’s musical chairs mentality at QB.

I am not saying those are my feelings, just what people say.

 

[arrowryan]

You’re aware everyone says the same thing about ND right? I’m just playing devil’s advocate here because I’ve talked to about 50 power 5’s in regards to JJ. When they thought he was a big ND lean I heard all the negative recruiting I could have wanted. Everyone feels the same “ND can’t develop QB’s.” They don’t think highly of Kelly’s musical chairs mentality at QB.

I am not saying those are my feelings, just what people say.

I understand and agree with the critics. I've heard that as well. I don't see that changing anytime soon either, unfortunately.

In Kelly's and Harbaugh's defense, there aren't many college coaches that churn out NFL QB's year after year. Saban isn't even doing that.

 

[Luckylucci]

So, just so we're all on the same page. This is the same Shea Patterson that strong armed schools into giving his brother a job for his signature. Also, the same Shea Patterson that lied his ass off about what went down at Ole Miss and tried to play victim after they got caught. Sweet role model. He's CEO of Douche Inc.

 

[Domina Nostra]

Schools with multiple starting QBs in the NFL right now... Cal, Houston, Louisville, that is all.

Cals were developed by different staffs. Houston's were developed by different staffs. Louisville's were developed by different staffs.

The teams who consistently put up big offensive numbers have great systems, and then recruit QBs who can play in that system. But overall, who is going to become an NFL QB has a lot more to do with the player than the coach.

The idea, for example, that the #1 recruit who started as a freshman at Clemson and got to throw to the best college WR I've seen in a while, was developed by Dabo and his QB coach is a little silly. Whoever was there when Cam Newton, or Andrew Luck, Vince Young, Tim Tebow, or DeShawn Watson was at their school was going to look really good. But winners write history, so...

 

[jspags10pg]

Shea was a kid when all the recruit stuff went down. Who knows what kind of pressure his family and/or others put on him but there's very little doubt in my mind that he knew exactly what was going on at Ole Miss. Hope he plays equally as bad this year against ND as he did last year.

So far Shea has been a good QB but nowhere near expectations. I'm pretty confident in saying JJ will be a much better college QB at Michigan. Too bad ND couldn't have just taken 2 QB's in '21 but that's not how it works, unfortunately. I'm just glad we got our guy in Buchner.

 

[jspags10pg]

Michigan doesn’t play ND during his time there and that’s a good thing for ND.

Lulz. Just like Michigan was gonna wipe the floor with ND last year and win the B1G and make the playoff.

"#1 defense in the country and finally have a baller at QB" -every UM fan in the country before September 1st, 2018

How'd that turn out? 0-1 after the first game is how that turned out. Scoring one offensive TD against ND is how that turned out. Zero TD's for Patterson and two turnovers is how that turned out. Giving up 103 points in the final 2 games is how that turned out. Giving up the same amount of points to ND as Ball State did is how that turned out.

F Michigan.

EDIT: I also want to make it perfectly clear that I have no ill will towards JJ. I hope he has a great career as I've previously stated. I just took exception with this comment in particular. I appreciate the insight you have brought Naz but I think you need to pump the brakes because you have some personal investment. I get that you love JJ and think he'll be great at UM, so do I, but let's not talk smack like Michigan is gonna be a world beater because we've heard that for 4 years now and so far...nothing to show for it except a couple ass whippings every year.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

Michigan doesn’t play ND during his time there and that’s a good thing for ND.

Lol, thanks for putting that out there. Much Fichigan and anyone who allies with them.

As much as I hate playing Michigan, I almost want a series with them while JJ is assumedly there. I hope our DL takes his fuckin lunch money.

If JJ goes elsewhere, I'll very happily cheer for him. It's a shame the staff had a player ranked ahead of JJ and got him to pledge first. I would've loved either but both parties are moving on.

F.V.C.K Michigan and I'll pray for JJ's soul

 

[dad4aa]

Michigan doesn’t play ND during his time there and that’s a good thing for ND.

I nominate for dumbest post of the year

 

[greyhammer90]

Michigan doesn’t play ND during his time there and that’s a good thing for ND.

If JJ is half the competitor you think he is, he'd probably be embarrassed by the passive aggressive fit you're pulling on a fan board. If you have an issue with the coaching staff, contact the coaching staff. Nobody here is turning away from cheering for ND because we placed mild recruitment pressure on a top 20 recruit to get our No. 1 option.

 

[IrishFaninTX]

Michigan doesn’t play ND during his time there and that’s a good thing for ND.

I get that you think JJ is the next Tom Brady (or Shea Patterson) but you're getting awfully arrogant about a high school sophomore. We have Buchner who is pretty damn good, too. And with the defense we are continuing to build, why would you think that JJ is going to make ND glad they don't have to play Michigan while he is there? I doubt ND fans or the team for that matter is going to be worried about JJ. They got the QB they wanted and though JJ looks to be a really good QB, so does Buchner. Either one would be a good choice but let's not act like ND settled for Buchner or had to scramble late in the cycle to get someone like they did when that dude decommitted for Bama.

 

[T-Boone]

Haha, can we pick the point when a guy took it one comment too far.

 

[greyhammer90]

Haha, can we pick the point when a guy took it one comment too far.

I've been holding my tongue over his pity party shtick the last few days because other posters seemed friendly enough with him, so I'm kinda glad he went full dick there and opened the door.

 

[CanadalovesND]

I get that we are rivals with Michigan, but let’s have a little perspective guys. They went 10-3. That’s a good record. And Patterson, did struggle at times during the opener vs. ND, but Michigan wasn’t that far behind in the game. We only won by one touchdown. It was also Patterson’s first game as their starting QB. And he showed a lot of improvement during the year. 65% completion, 2600 yards, 22-7 TD/INT. Not really too shabby. Consider that to when you see that Michigan was also a run-heavy team; they ran the ball about 61% on offence.

Outside of our first few drives, where we scored two touchdowns, we didn’t really do much offensively the rest of the game (Only three points scored in the second half). Michigan’s Defense kept them in the game.

Yes, Michigan didn’t end the season well, two straight losses. I’m not going to defend their play there. That was what it was.

We didn’t really end our last two games on a high note either. The Clemson game doesn’t need to be talked about really, they played like the National Champions that they were. As for USC, a mediocre team, we really didn’t assert our dominance. A late TD on a swing pass to Tony Jones sealed the win, but we can all say we got a little nervous when USC scored their final touchdown. We only one by one touchdown.

My point being is that we can say Michigan sucked, Michigan was overrated and whatnot, that Patterson isn’t a good QB, but I respectively disagree. They won by some wide margins against pretty good teams. And Patterson
showed efficiency as a game managing quarterback, that flashed, both negative and positive.

As for the whole J.J. McCarthy thing, I can’t say I really care. I’m not taking Naz’s story as truth, only a gullible person will believe something without proof or research to back it up. Maybe something comes out with time, but unfortunately recruiting isn’t always fair. If Buchner wasn’t ready to give his commitment, you can almost be sure that McCarthy would have been given an offer from ND. But, sometimes you need to turn the heat up on a guy, let them see you exploring other options. It’s a business tactic, sales tactic. I work in a restaurant. We do the same thing with suppliers. You tell one distributor that you are looking for a certain price on an item, and if they won’t give you what you are seeking, you can either compromise or look to other companies. It’s life.

 

[dad4aa]

The only reason Michigan's defense "held ND to 3 points" is the typical BK safe play with a lead. We took the pedal off the gas and trusted our defense would protect the lead and they did. Michigan's defense had very little to do with keeping them in the game.

 

[irishtrooper]

The only reason Michigan's defense "held ND to 3 points" is the typical BK safe play with a lead. We took the pedal off the gas and trusted our defense would protect the lead and they did. Michigan's defense had very little to do with keeping them in the game.

*with our backup QB