'21 CA QB Tyler Buchner (ND FB -> Bama FB -> ND LAX???)

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So much of being a QB is processing information quickly and making the right decisions. I love what Lenzy had to say in that piece. It was said at one point that Buch has a photo graphic memory. When he talks I think you can see that genius in him. And, he's a very gifted athlete. I'm reasonably concerned about whether he can stay healthy and his mechanics but it's all in on Tyler Buchner, LFG! I got my green kool aid ready. I think this year is a fun but wild ride. While next year is probably the time. The offense is young and should continue to progress into next year. Though I'm a little concerned about the defense come 2023.
It's all about health and durability. He has talent in spades and will get better with reps. He is a natural athlete, not some over-coached QB that has hit his ceiling. The durability issue should freak everyone out tho. If I was in Vegas I would set the O/U at 4.5 weeks before he gets hurt.
 

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It's all about health and durability. He has talent in spades and will get better with reps. He is a natural athlete, not some over-coached QB that has hit his ceiling. The durability issue should freak everyone out tho. If I was in Vegas I would set the O/U at 4.5 weeks before he gets hurt.
I pray he makes it 4 quarters Sept 3
 

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It's all about health and durability. He has talent in spades and will get better with reps. He is a natural athlete, not some over-coached QB that has hit his ceiling. The durability issue should freak everyone out tho. If I was in Vegas I would set the O/U at 4.5 weeks before he gets hurt.
I'll be pleased if he's at 100% for 3 of our 4 most important games (OSU, BYU, Clemson and USC.) If he needs to take a week or two off in the middle of the season to heal up, Pyne should be able to lead us to victory against UNLV and 'Cuse.
 

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So much of being a QB is processing information quickly and making the right decisions. I love what Lenzy had to say in that piece. It was said at one point that Buch has a photo graphic memory. When he talks I think you can see that genius in him. And, he's a very gifted athlete. I'm reasonably concerned about whether he can stay healthy and his mechanics but it's all in on Tyler Buchner, LFG! I got my green kool aid ready. I think this year is a fun but wild ride. While next year is probably the time. The offense is young and should continue to progress into next year. Though I'm a little concerned about the defense come 2023.
Agree and would say that 90% of it is the mental piece. Plenty of guys with strong arms, can run or do both. It's making the correct decision in a hair split second that is the difference. The photographic memory makes that even better. Until I see his delivery as a consistent problem in games, I'm not worried as long as he's putting it where it needs to be.
 

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I understand missing out on a 2023 QB sucks, but I'm stoked about TB and pretty confident in Pyne off the pine. I know things can go south fast but I'm not as worried about the QB play as some are, the future at the position looks pretty great to me. Sept 3rd can't get here soon enough!
 

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So much of being a QB is processing information quickly and making the right decisions. I love what Lenzy had to say in that piece. It was said at one point that Buch has a photo graphic memory. When he talks I think you can see that genius in him. And, he's a very gifted athlete. I'm reasonably concerned about whether he can stay healthy and his mechanics but it's all in on Tyler Buchner, LFG! I got my green kool aid ready. I think this year is a fun but wild ride. While next year is probably the time. The offense is young and should continue to progress into next year. Though I'm a little concerned about the defense come 2023.
I remain confused by the concern with Buchner's mechanics, but otherwise I wholeheartedly agree with this.
 

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He's gonna have some just God awful turnovers but he's gonna have just as many holy fuck how did he do that plays.
I feel like after reading all the stuff on him, he's got a little bit of gunslinger in him. In any case, I'll live with the turnovers if he leads an explosive offense for the Irish (which is what I'm expecting).
 

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It's all about health and durability. He has talent in spades and will get better with reps. He is a natural athlete, not some over-coached QB that has hit his ceiling. The durability issue should freak everyone out tho. If I was in Vegas I would set the O/U at 4.5 weeks before he gets hurt.
I'd take the over, personally. I think the coaches will do a much better job of instructing him to slide or get out of bounds to avoid contact now that he has the keys to the offense and he's not just a rotational piece. Probably something they've worked on early and often, especially now that he's named starter.

If he were taking regular shots I'd take the under, but hopefully that won't (and shouldn't) be the case anymore.
 

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Sam Howell career in reverse. Howell never really used his legs FR year and then carried the team with them near the end of his UNC career. Buchner will always run but I see aging out of running a bit as he goes along out of preservation. Maybe similar to how Fields only used it in big games.
 

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No. The photographic memory doesn't make in-game instant action better.
The last thing that I want out of my QB in the heat of the moment is processing
loads of details (i.e. excessively slowing his head down.) Photographic memory
doesn't speed anything but the overall long-term efficiency of learning bulk information.

I'm happy that he can be a filmroom consumption freak which will allow him to
later analyze what he needs out of those sessions, but at the snap of the ball
(and the next count afterwards), I want that heavily detailed "academic analysis"
to go away and be in a fast useful "reactionary mental twitch mode." What you
really need at that point is a generally sped up brain which makes the game dynamics
seem to drop into slo-mo.

I cringed a bit when I heard photographic memory. Game-planning, yes. Lightning
in the pocket, no. (Trust me; I had a near photographic memory myself. Great for
academic tasks; mixed bag in athletics. Seeing just how the basketball was going
to bounce before the other guys' do was WAY handier in just those moments, than
remembering which guys wanted to go to their left. Both brain skills have their use,
but when the ball and the bodies are flying, I want the speeding mind.)

Now this doesn't mean Buchner can't have both. Great retention "student" allowing
intense analysis and strength and weakness analysis on one hand, and lightning fast
animal mind on the other (like Wayne Gretsky had in hockey) but these are not at all
the same talent.
 

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It's all about health and durability. He has talent in spades and will get better with reps. He is a natural athlete, not some over-coached QB that has hit his ceiling. The durability issue should freak everyone out tho. If I was in Vegas I would set the O/U at 4.5 weeks before he gets hurt.
Define hurt. Are we talking banged up and misses a series or 2?
 

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Haha, the photo graphic memory comment came from Rees after he signed with ND. Take it up with him. He thought it was important but I guess OMM cringes, lol.

For a young QB learning a college offense over 1.5 years, having that type of recall is a huge benefit. Saying otherwise is laughable. He clearly has an ability to retain and recall information which is what Lenzy was speaking too with his ability to go through progressions and make plays. That doesn't happen if you're not learning, retaining, and recalling the information quickly.
 

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Haha, the photo graphic memory comment came from Rees after he signed with ND. Take it up with him. He thought it was important but I guess OMM cringes, lol.

For a young QB learning a college offense over 1.5 years, having that type of recall is a huge benefit. Saying otherwise is laughable. He clearly has an ability to retain and recall information which is what Lenzy was speaking too with his ability to go through progressions and make plays. That doesn't happen if you're not learning, retaining, and recalling the information quickly.
On an RPO isn't it reading the defense pre-snap and then basically just one live read anyway?
 

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Reading comprehension score trending towards zero. Irish 1 said that hair-split second decisions are made better by photographic memory --- hair-split-second decisions in game. NOT a remark about pre-game study.

But why bother ....
 

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No. The photographic memory doesn't make in-game instant action better.
The last thing that I want out of my QB in the heat of the moment is processing
loads of details (i.e. excessively slowing his head down.) Photographic memory
doesn't speed anything but the overall long-term efficiency of learning bulk information.

I'm happy that he can be a filmroom consumption freak which will allow him to
later analyze what he needs out of those sessions, but at the snap of the ball
(and the next count afterwards), I want that heavily detailed "academic analysis"
to go away and be in a fast useful "reactionary mental twitch mode." What you
really need at that point is a generally sped up brain which makes the game dynamics
seem to drop into slo-mo.

I cringed a bit when I heard photographic memory. Game-planning, yes. Lightning
in the pocket, no. (Trust me; I had a near photographic memory myself. Great for
academic tasks; mixed bag in athletics. Seeing just how the basketball was going
to bounce before the other guys' do was WAY handier in just those moments, than
remembering which guys wanted to go to their left. Both brain skills have their use,
but when the ball and the bodies are flying, I want the speeding mind.)

Now this doesn't mean Buchner can't have both. Great retention "student" allowing
intense analysis and strength and weakness analysis on one hand, and lightning fast
animal mind on the other (like Wayne Gretsky had in hockey) but these are not at all
the same talent.
I think you're splitting hairs OMM. Maybe photographic memory isn't the right word, or maybe you use it in a more strict sense. Peyton Manning had a photographic memory and always talked about how he would recall seeing a particular defense before the ball was snapped so he knew what was coming. Therefore he had to decide to keep the play or audible. Never seemed to slow things down once the ball was snapped.
 

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I think you're splitting hairs OMM. Maybe photographic memory isn't the right word, or maybe you use it in a more strict sense. Peyton Manning had a photographic memory and always talked about how he would recall seeing a particular defense before the ball was snapped so he knew what was coming. Therefore he had to decide to keep the play or audible. Never seemed to slow things down once the ball was snapped.


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Also, I'll add that I love Prister. He is an ND historian, calm, collective, and voice of reason. But his hesitancy with Buchner (relative to nearly everyone else on the beat) is a little weird. I wonder if the mechanics (or some other nitpick) is causing him to not be able to accurately read this - or maybe he knows all the other beat staff doesn't?
 

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Also, I'll add that I love Prister. He is an ND historian, calm, collective, and voice of reason. But his hesitancy with Buchner (relative to nearly everyone else on the beat) is a little weird. I wonder if the mechanics (or some other nitpick) is causing him to not be able to accurately read this - or maybe he knows all the other beat staff doesn't?
Think it's just that Prister is a very....measured guy. Doesn't really hype up many of the players.
 

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"Tyler Buchner dropped a few 40 yard dimes" - ISD today

Curious what Tim Prister will say today to downplay this
Prister's takes are horrendous. The only thing he is useful for is his observations of who is at what positions and depth. Everything else he says is just horrible. It's almost like he always defends the admin and what ever coaching staff is in place. The crap he has come out and said about Kelly now that he is gone has contradicted his constant defending of the staff when Kelly was here. He always has to add a caveat when ever he does actually criticize the staff. Like making excuses why ND will never be the juggernaut it once was because every excuse we have all heard never including the biggest reason which is the current administration to use every tool at their disposal and the coaching staff having to play by different rules then the rest of the big dogs in college football.
 

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Sounds like I need to listen to more of this Prister thing, sounds like my bag baby… is that like an ap??
 

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Also, I'll add that I love Prister. He is an ND historian, calm, collective, and voice of reason. But his hesitancy with Buchner (relative to nearly everyone else on the beat) is a little weird. I wonder if the mechanics (or some other nitpick) is causing him to not be able to accurately read this - or maybe he knows all the other beat staff doesn't?
Look at less than a week ago, blue & gold are going on about how the QB1 spot was looking wide open because Drew Pyne was throwing better against air than TB, 2/3 days later Buchner named Starter, the press have absolutely zero clue until informed.
 
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