2024 College Football Playoffs

[Irish du Nord]

Did Toronto hack your account? I never said any such thing. I'm for watching the entire season play out and then picking the BEST performing teams - the ones that football-knowledgeable people believe would most likely beat all the others. There's no 100% foolproof way to do that, and upsets will always happen in the playoffs, but this "most deserving" BS is for people who can't adequately judge the actual quality of play they see. They need all data points and formulas instead of being able to see and understand. Most deserving is for nitwits and how you get weak teams with pretty resumes embarrassed in the playoffs by 30 or 40 points.

I don’t think there is such a thing as “quality of play” except how the play results in wins.

The eye test is prisoner of the moment and prisoner of the subject.

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

What??? Where do you get that from my argument? I'm all for playing the games and judging teams based on how they played and against what sort of opponents. I'm just not in favor of thinking a mediocre team who has a good record against a very weak schedule is deserving of a playoff spot. And I'm not specifically speaking of SMU. I'm for looking at the quality of play and the quality of the opponents a record is achieved against. The current system gives too much credence to pretty resume instead of actual quality of resume; to W/L only instead of who that W/L was achieved against and how well a team plays.

This is a yahoo argument. Any goodwill you may have built up has evaporated with these nonsense takes you’ve been putting out in the last several hours. Best of luck to you in the reliaquest bowl.

 

[MPClinton22]

One thing I was just thinking about - if the playoff was still 4 teams, we would have sat at #4 going into the championship games, PSU & Texas would have lost, and rather than moving up to #2 like has always been done (OR 3 with Georgia jumping us), we'd be at 5 and out of the 4 team playoff. I feel like that says everything about how asinine the handling of yesterday's games was.

 

[IrishLax]

One thing I was just thinking about - if the playoff was still 4 teams, we would have sat at #4 going into the championship games, PSU & Texas would have lost, and rather than moving up to #2 like has always been done (OR 3 with Georgia jumping us), we'd be at 5 and out of the 4 team playoff. I feel like that says everything about how asinine the handling of yesterday's games was.

They would not have seeded this way if it was still a four team playoff. Just look at how Georgia was treated last year.

 

[IrishLax]

Bro got community noted lollll

 

[MPClinton22]

They would not have seeded this way if it was still a four team playoff. Just look at how Georgia was treated last year.

Yeah I definitely agree - so I don't understand why it's ok they totally changed course. Doesn't make any sense to me

 

[LifelongFan]

 

[jprue24]

SOS deserves more context b/c the baseline is unfairly set w/ pre-season polls. Here’s what this year’s pre-season poll looked like:

1	Georgia (46)	1,532
2	Ohio State (15)	1,490
3	Oregon (1)	1,403
4	Texas	1,386
5	Alabama	1,260
6	Ole Miss	1,189
7	Notre Dame	1,122
8	Penn State	1,060
9	Michigan	995
10	Florida State	971
11	Missouri	927
12	Utah	887
13	LSU	804
14	Clemson	689
15	Tennessee	629
16	Oklahoma	566
17	Oklahoma State	538
18	Kansas State	526
19	Miami (FL)	492
20	Texas A&M	292
21	Arizona	237
22	Kansas	231
23	Southern Cal	172
24	North Carolina State	171
25	Iowa	140

Bama, Ole Miss, Missouri, LSU, OU, aTm. All SEC teams. All overrated as proven by the final poll.

Kentucky had one conference win…over the mighty Ole Miss Rebels who have assured us they should be in CFP. Same KY that got boatraced in their rivalry game by ”ACC also ran” Louisville.

Bama lost to Vandy who lost to 3-9 Georgia State. Vandy is the one program that even SEC sycophants dismiss when announcing their conference strength. TBF, I think we have to give Vandy credit this year so I don’t think that loss would‘ve disqualified Bama. But losing by 3 TDs to a 5-6 B12…err SEC Team in November is what cooked Bama. It wasn’t a last second FG…It was a blow out when a team is supposed to be building on their CFP resume. But shouldn’t matter b/c “y’all just don’t know the grind of the SEC”. GTFO with that. Again OU was a B12 team less than a year ago. So was Texas BTW.

LSU lost to 6-6 Southern Cal who at last check was not in SEC & I‘m told by non-ND fans that they’re a joke of a team that no one should lose to. I guess LSU was tired of that SEC grind that led into the first game of the season.

UO HC Dan Lanning has a chance to change (or level) the narrative. His team is in the Pacific NW yet they had to travel cross country four times to secure the #1 seed. Tell those SEC schools to travel that far that much in a given season. I don’t care who the opponent is, your players are still adversely affected by the time change and travel…yes even 18-23 year olds.

The common refrain from SEC fans is “who would you pick to win in the following matchups”:
Bama vs SMU
Bama vs ASU
Bama vs BSU
Bama vs PSU
Bama vs ND
Bama vs IU

SEC is undefeated in hypotheticals & Vegas odds are always correct

Can’t have it both ways while proudly pronouncing your team playing the toughest conference of the past two decades but then whine when you aren’t afforded more mulligans b/c you’re team turns out to be not as invincible (3+ losses) as you claim.

You'll have to create one then, because all of the current ones.... ALL of them think the SEC was uber difficult this year. What would be your reference point?

 

[stlnd01]

FFS. Alabama did not not make the playoffs because they played too challenging a non conference schedule. Unless he’s saying that Mercer beat them up and so they came out flat against Oklahoma?

 

[Pointman02]

One thing I was just thinking about - if the playoff was still 4 teams, we would have sat at #4 going into the championship games, PSU & Texas would have lost, and rather than moving up to #2 like has always been done (OR 3 with Georgia jumping us), we'd be at 5 and out of the 4 team playoff. I feel like that says everything about how asinine the handling of yesterday's games was.

This is what the committee would have us believe would have happened. In reality, any fair minded person knows that ND would have made a 4 team playoff this season. PSU at a minimum would have played their way out with the loss to Oregon. Very likely ND would have been ranked #3 under last season’s format, as in the AP.

 

[IrishTusker]

They are going to have to stop giving auto-byes to the top 4 conference champions. The effect is that Oregon has a much harder path in the semifinals than PSU, even though Oregon just beat PSU. (And Oregon led the entire game and covered.) It would be like giving a 1 or 2 seed in the NCAAB tournament to a conference champion that is 18-13 or something but wins their conference tournament.

 

[MPClinton22]

This is what the committee would have us believe would have happened. In reality, any fair minded person knows that ND would have made a 4 team playoff this season. PSU at a minimum would have played their way out with the loss to Oregon. Very likely ND would have been ranked #3 under last season’s format, as in the AP.

Right there's just no way ND falls down a spot with 2 teams ahead of them losing a game when those teams now have the same number of wins and more losses. Just absolutely no chance

 

[calvegas04]

 

[calvegas04]

I don't have a problem with any particular system they've tried - BCS, top 2, 4-team playoff, 12-team playoff. My issue has and will be the same: put the best 2, 4, 12 or whatever in, not the "most deserving" or prettiest resume. If you're a coach or a full-time CFB journalist, or on the playoff committee and you can't watch teams play over the course of a season and have a very good idea who would beat who, then you're in the wrong business. Stop this silly "most deserving" or prettiest resume stuff. It should be about who are the best teams, period. I don't say that because I think my team undeservedly got left out this year. I don't even have a strong opinion on whether they should or shouldn't have been in, am not particularly disappointed they aren't in, and didn't expect them to be in. I just want the best teams in every year, not the so-called most deserving.

I think getting rid of preseason polls would be best, that way people stop thinking the SEC is such a strong conference

 

[jprue24]

I think getting rid of preseason polls would be best, that way people stop thinking the SEC is such a strong conference

They'd have to stop sending so many players to the NFL for that to happen

 

[Irish#1]

No offense to TTT or Bishop, but I’m Glad to see the committee agreed that a 3 loss team didn’t deserve to be included.

 

[Irish du Nord]

No offense to TTT or Bishop, but I’m Glad to see the committee agreed that a 3 loss team didn’t deserve to be included.

Clemson shifts uncomfortably

 

[IrishLax]

I'm not entertaining any Bama talk. They lost 3 games, 2 were TERRIBLE losses and they were also a bad penalty (SC) away from 8-4 I understand Bama was one of the top teams in years past. This year they weren't, get over it.

Yeah this is why I wanted Bama this year. High ceiling, low floor. And they were close to that floor in ~5 games. I watched parts of the Oklahoma game and was shocked at how one-dimensional their offense was and frankly there was a greater-than-50% chance we would've blown them out in the snow.

 

[pumpdog20]

You’re making a joke, but if you’re one of the top 8 or 9 name brands, you probably should really think about it.

Except, probably close to none of them would get their own TV deals.

 

[IrishLax]

No offense to TTT or Bishop, but I’m Glad to see the committee agreed that a 3 loss team didn’t deserve to be included.

What people keep ignoring is that the committee was pretty consistent with the "you get one mulligan" way of evaluating teams. That's why Ohio State and Notre Dame are both hosting, and it's why Alabama was ranked high... despite the Vandy loss... prior to the Oklahoma game.

But once you drop multiple games against mediocre or bad competition they moved you to the back of the pack unless you had something else to hang your hat on. People are ignoring that Bama was the highest rated 3-loss team and was given TONS of credit for their wins.

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

No offense to TTT or Bishop, but…

Why are we kowtowing to randos? This is a NOTRE DAME board.

Much offense to anyone who is not Notre Dame first, last and always.

 

[calvegas04]

They'd have to stop sending so many players to the NFL for that to happen

Okay Finebaum

 

[Southside Sully]

I hope we absolutely throttle IU and knock that smug look off of Cignettis face

 

[NDPhilly]

Interesting website I came across - tracks the predictive power / results of the CFB stats-based "power rankers" (SP+, Sargarin, FPI, etc...):

ThePredictionTracker NCAA RESULTS

Football ratings, NFL, NCAA Football Basketball Baseball Computer ratings predictions

www.thepredictiontracker.com

Outside of Vegas, Sargarin has been the most predictive ranking system so far this season:

College Football Ratings Page

Who does Sargarin have #1??? The Fighting Irish of Notre Dame baby.

On a neutral field, Sargarin would FAVOR ND over UGA by ~2.5, even WITH Carson Beck.

This isn't 2021-2022 UGA folks. We have a great opportunity to make a statement nationally against them.

Sargarin would also have us as a 11pt favorite over Indiana.

 

[stpeteirish]

And in another world conference championship losses matter...ND #3 in both AP and coaches polls

 

[jprue24]

Okay Finebaum

I'm a parrot here.

 

[RDU Irish]

I think its a good field. This should be a tournament of champions with at large berths spread around. SEC got 25% of the spots and the B1G got 33%. Not a lot left to go around. The point of expanding the field .... is to expand the field. How is that done by a bunch of conference rematches? I find it offensive to the SEC champ that they should have effectively have to win the SEC all over again by the bullshit "eye testers" out there that would have Ole Miss, So Car and Bama swap out SMU, Indiana and probably Notre Dame - we didn't beat anyone by their standards either.

Hope the SEC goes 0-3 and ND helps make it so.

 

[jprue24]

Yeah this is why I wanted Bama this year. High ceiling, low floor. And they were close to that floor in ~5 games. I watched parts of the Oklahoma game and was shocked at how one-dimensional their offense was and frankly there was a greater-than-50% chance we would've blown them out in the snow.

Sounds like they missed their old OC....

 

[FDNYIrish1]

Anyone, anywhere, anytime. This bracket is wide open. If those cheating scumbags can go on a run so can we. Go Irish!!!

 

[Huntr]

Interesting website I came across - tracks the predictive power / results of the CFB stats-based "power rankers" (SP+, Sargarin, FPI, etc...):

ThePredictionTracker NCAA RESULTS

Football ratings, NFL, NCAA Football Basketball Baseball Computer ratings predictions

www.thepredictiontracker.com

Outside of Vegas, Sargarin has been the most predictive ranking system so far this season:

College Football Ratings Page

Who does Sargarin have #1??? The Fighting Irish of Notre Dame baby.

On a neutral field, Sargarin would FAVOR ND over UGA by ~2.5, even WITH Carson Beck.

This isn't 2021-2022 UGA folks. We have a great opportunity to make a statement nationally against them.

Sargarin would also have us as a 11pt favorite over Indiana.

I use this website a lot. I like that it tracks model success rates SU and ATS, and you can see how individual models differ from the spread for each game.


eta: I think people would be surprised how accurate the mid-week odds update is.