2024 College Football Playoffs

rtrn2glory

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I keep forgetting that there's actually another week after this one.

Just win this week and let every one tear each other apart the week after
 

Rasputin

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Kinda fine with getting the 6 spot. I have no interest in facing Alabama.

Why not Alabama? There are already a couple of nails in the post-Saban Alabama coffin. Why not have them come up to South Bend on a cold December 20 evening and be the team that hammers home that last nail to bury the Bama mystic? Bama is vulnerable. Go for the kill.
 

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Why not Alabama? There are already a couple of nails in the post-Saban Alabama coffin. Why not have them come up to South Bend on a cold December 20 evening and be the team that hammers home that last nail to bury the Bama mystic? Bama is vulnerable. Go for the kill.


Rasputin speaks the truth.
 

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The committee does seem to put a lot of stock in common opponents. If ND can go out to the Coliseum and beat the Trojans worse than PSU did, I think the committee will have us jump them. However, that won't be an easy task. USC has led in the 4th quarter of every game this year. The national narrative is that ND has been beating up on terrible opponents. I think if we beat USC by double digits, that narrative will change a bit. I do tend to think a 6 sets up better than a 7 seed, but it really just depends who the 11 and 10 end up being. And we won't know that until the dust settles. Just win and let the chips fall where they may.
 

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Alabama lost the benefit of the doubt when Saban retired. I'm over it. Three losses should be a disqualifier for the playoffs, regardless of circumstances. You should not be able to compete for a championship if you can't even win the regular season games.

I also feel like the seeding criteria will need to be re-adjusted. Winning your conference shouldn't amount to a be-all-end-all scenario for a bye. Winning your conference should be a single data point (with appropriate weighting) just like any other data point considered. There are only two real power conferences (you could make a case for the ACC depending on the teams on a year to year basis). How will the committee handle CCG upsets? I just don't understand why it wouldn't be like basketball with the highest ranked teams getting the highest seeds and winning your CCG is not a requirement, instead it's merely another data point.

I like the playoff system, and even though I've largely been against all of these changes that are ultimately turning CFB into a semi-pro sport, it seems like a battle not worth fighting anymore. It's happening whether some of us agree or not. So moving forward, what is the best way to do it? Personally, I'd prefer to see CFB become entirely independent. Use the ND model for sports with football being ind. and all other sports remaining in their respective conferences. If the goal is to turn CFB into NFL minor leagues, then why not set up the entire season in the same way that the NFL does? Does anyone think this is realistic? Is it the ultimate goal perhaps? I honestly haven't followed any of this until recently.
 

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Yes. Watching Alabama this year was different. There's this freak athlete at QB as we know, but the rest of the team is a notch below what I think of as past Alabama. They CAN have a really good game, but they easily can have mediocre ones. What if an opponent had a VERY good DC with lots of time to think about it, and a VERY good defense overall, and the main thing that he had to limit was a great athlete named Milroe (who has his erraticness?) Maybe my bet's on Golden and the Golden Domers.
 

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The teams you want to host are SMU, Indiana, and Miami. The team you want to avoid is Georgia. Everything else is sorta net neutral... both PSU and Tennessee are good-not-great.
More I think about it, I wouldnt mind facing Carson Beck in South Bend. As long as we don't drop 3 picks like we did against Army, he'd be due for at least 2 against us.
 

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Yes. Watching Alabama this year was different. There's this freak athlete at QB as we know, but the rest of the team is a notch below what I think of as past Alabama. They CAN have a really good game, but they easily can have mediocre ones. What if an opponent had a VERY good DC with lots of time to think about it, and a VERY good defense overall, and the main thing that he had to limit was a great athlete named Milroe (who has his erraticness?) Maybe my bet's on Golden and the Golden Domers.
Stop Milroe from running and force him to throw seems to be the path to victory. I’m certain Golden could dial up a plan that does that.
 

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Agreed completely… let’s say Georgia beats Texas again in SECCG do we think they get the #2 seed over a 1-loss Miami?
I think so, certainly.

If A&M gets some magic and beats Texas and then Georgia, I think they are the 3 seed. That's the only way I think the SEC winner isn't the two sed.
 

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Why not Alabama? There are already a couple of nails in the post-Saban Alabama coffin. Why not have them come up to South Bend on a cold December 20 evening and be the team that hammers home that last nail to bury the Bama mystic? Bama is vulnerable. Go for the kill.
Sorry but I don’t believe my three loss Bama team should make the playoffs. Their losses to Vandy and Oklahoma are inexcusable. Gotta take care of business against teams you should and my Tide didn’t. On to next year.
 

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Sorry but I don’t believe my three loss Bama team should make the playoffs. Their losses to Vandy and Oklahoma are inexcusable. Gotta take care of business against teams you should and my Tide didn’t. On to next year.

But you aren’t ESPN and the SEC’s advertising channel to make money off of the them. 🤷‍♂️
 

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Its getting tiring watching the goal posts move to justify their rankings week to week. ND not getting in evern with 2 losses is criminal. A 3 loss team should not be in the playoff and 3 loss conference champs shouldn't be exempt from that. 3 loss teams are not championship teams. I was always against Auto Qualifiers.
 

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assuming ND can handle business this week** i think ND will end up getting the 8th seed and play tennessee. Uga is gonna beat texas in the Sec championship and they won’t drop texas below us. so we’ll drop to 8.

def rooting for texas in the sec championship game
8 seed (and below PSU still) would probably be preferable to finally jumping PSU just to be the 7 seed and potentially facing 2 seed Georgia in the quarterfinals.

A&M could do us a favor here beating Texas tomorrow.
 

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Correct. 5

I understand those were the terms ND agreed upon, but how asinine is it that this is acceptable? If ND truly was the #1 team in the country by all metrics, then seeding them as a #5 is unbelievably fraudulent. Think of it from other team's perspectives: The #12 seed has to play the #1 seed (disguised as a #5) in the first round.

I also have a massive problem with a scenario that plays out IF OSU beats Oregon in the B1G CCG and Oregon has to drop to a #5 seed, even though, most metrics would probably put them as a 2 or 3 (give or take, yes?) We've seen that happen with the SEC CCG between Bama and Georgia fighting for the 1 and 2 seeds. How ridiculous would it be if OSU takes over the 1 seed and Oregon has to drop to a 5 seed because of some random ass terms established by the committee who formed this bracket? AND they'd essentially be on the same side of the bracket? These teams would conceivably be the 1 and 2 seeds (based on computer metrics) but would have to potentially play each other in the semis instead of the championship. No way in hell is that reasonable. In no scenario should Boise St get seeded ahead of Oregon just because of a CCG outcome....especially given they have a head-to-head data point.

Am I missing something? This seems absurd. Just rank the teams the way they should be ranked and set the bracket accordingly. This shouldn't be hard.
 

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I understand those were the terms ND agreed upon, but how asinine is it that this is acceptable? If ND truly was the #1 team in the country by all metrics, then seeding them as a #5 is unbelievably fraudulent. Think of it from other team's perspectives: The #12 seed has to play the #1 seed (disguised as a #5) in the first round.

I also have a massive problem with a scenario that plays out IF OSU beats Oregon in the B1G CCG and Oregon has to drop to a #5 seed, even though, most metrics would probably put them as a 2 or 3 (give or take, yes?) We've seen that happen with the SEC CCG between Bama and Georgia fighting for the 1 and 2 seeds. How ridiculous would it be if OSU takes over the 1 seed and Oregon has to drop to a 5 seed because of some random ass terms established by the committee who formed this bracket? AND they'd essentially be on the same side of the bracket? These teams would conceivably be the 1 and 2 seeds (based on computer metrics) but would have to potentially play each other in the semis instead of the championship. No way in hell is that reasonable. In no scenario should Boise St get seeded ahead of Oregon just because of a CCG outcome....especially given they have a head-to-head data point.

Am I missing something? This seems absurd. Just rank the teams the way they should be ranked and set the bracket accordingly. This shouldn't be hard.
I'll give you one better - if GA loses to GA Tech... they still play for the SEC Championship. Regardless of who they play in that game and win - they will be a top 4 seed due to winning the SEC and have three losses.... Riddle me that brotha
 

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Are we even cheering for GT here? I could see them losing and us end up hosting them as a result, ~6 v 11.
 

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I understand those were the terms ND agreed upon, but how asinine is it that this is acceptable? If ND truly was the #1 team in the country by all metrics, then seeding them as a #5 is unbelievably fraudulent. Think of it from other team's perspectives: The #12 seed has to play the #1 seed (disguised as a #5) in the first round.

I also have a massive problem with a scenario that plays out IF OSU beats Oregon in the B1G CCG and Oregon has to drop to a #5 seed, even though, most metrics would probably put them as a 2 or 3 (give or take, yes?) We've seen that happen with the SEC CCG between Bama and Georgia fighting for the 1 and 2 seeds. How ridiculous would it be if OSU takes over the 1 seed and Oregon has to drop to a 5 seed because of some random ass terms established by the committee who formed this bracket? AND they'd essentially be on the same side of the bracket? These teams would conceivably be the 1 and 2 seeds (based on computer metrics) but would have to potentially play each other in the semis instead of the championship. No way in hell is that reasonable. In no scenario should Boise St get seeded ahead of Oregon just because of a CCG outcome....especially given they have a head-to-head data point.

Am I missing something? This seems absurd. Just rank the teams the way they should be ranked and set the bracket accordingly. This shouldn't be hard.

The problem can be solved by simply removing the link between conference champions and 1st round byes. No problem with 5 conference champs getting automatic spots, the problem is the first round bye for the 4 highest ranked conference champs.

Instead the 12 team playoff should consist of the 5 conference champs + 7 at-large, seeded according to rankings with top 4 ranked teams getting 1st round byes, regardless if they are a conference champ or not. Problem solved.
 

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8 seed (and below PSU still) would probably be preferable to finally jumping PSU just to be the 7 seed and potentially facing 2 seed Georgia in the quarterfinals.

A&M could do us a favor here beating Texas tomorrow.
That would make me almost as happy as ND winning tomorrow. Almost.

Those two together and I would be thrilled.
 

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I'll give you one better - if GA loses to GA Tech... they still play for the SEC Championship. Regardless of who they play in that game and win - they will be a top 4 seed due to winning the SEC and have three losses.... Riddle me that brotha
Unless they are ranked below a Big 12 team and a G5 team, which is unlikely if they win e SECCG
 

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I don't think Texas can win the SECCG and I'd be worried they could push us down more when they lose so yes Go Aggies (barf)
 
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