2023 Transfer QB

[ThePiombino]

Last time I checked, Pyne was QB2 until Buchner got hurt? And Buchner is cleared for the bowl game? And we are taking a transfer?

But as Piombino also said, he's not worthy of starting on any P5 team, and is an "intramural level QB". But let's call him QB1 for the sake of the argument, sure. Because he has to defend calling a young man who played for ND a bitch at any cost.

I can't tell if you're being intentionally obtuse or it just comes naturally, but me referring to him as QB1 is an acknowledgment of him being QB1 on the depth chart. I'm not saying he was or even is the best QB on the roster. The staff obviously thought he was our best option the moment Buchner went down, thus his position on the depth chart.

Plenty of people think Ewers wasn't the best QB on the Texas roster, but he's QB1 because...well...he was the starter. Same with Pyne. Comprende?

 

[ThePiombino]

Sure. We don't know. The suddenness of it is what kinda made him seem butthurt. But it is a fairly logical move.
But also his best chance to start in the future involves going down the food chain to the sort of programs that would still gladly take him after our bowl game. UConn and Akron aren't engaging in transfer portal NIL bidding wars.

Well said.

 

[dublinirish]

Mertz is headed to Kentucky apparently


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[zelezo vlk]

Oh no. Lion’s #3 school is getting Mertz to replace Levis?


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[Irishdrunk]

I am fine with Card. I think the pressure to play Ewers was tremendous and likely skewed Sark's ability to go with him as QB1.

I don't think we are looking for the guaranteed starter but a QB that is willing to come in and battle for the job that has some history in his background that could indicate a higher ceiling than this year's QB (Pyne). I certainly think Card has that upside.

That stated I kinda thought Tulane's Pratt was and is on ND's radar. Tulane is a very good school too.

If we end up with either of these two, I would be happy.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

I am fine with Card. I think the pressure to play Ewers was tremendous and likely skewed Sark's ability to go with him as QB1.

I don't think we are looking for the guaranteed starter but a QB that is willing to come in and battle for the job that has some history in his background that could indicate a higher ceiling than this year's QB (Pyne). I certainly think Card has that upside.

That stated I kinda thought Tulane's Pratt was and is on ND's radar. Tulane is a very good school too.

If we end up with either of these two, I would be happy.

Ewers has an unbelievably high ceiling and he was playing extremely well early on in that Bama game in September before he injured his shoulder. Card played well, too, but those deep balls that Ewers was dropping in were something else. I certainly think he earned that QB1 role, I don't think it was handed to him.

I agree Card is on the top of my list. As a plan B, I wouldn't mind seeing Pratt or Armstrong, if Rees i& co. are confident 2021 Armstrong is still in there somewhere after playing behind a porous OL.

 

[Irishdrunk]

Ewers has an unbelievably high ceiling and he was playing extremely well early on in that Bama game in September before he injured his shoulder. Card played well, too, but those deep balls that Ewers was dropping in were something else. I certainly think he earned that QB1 role, I don't think it was handed to him.

I agree Card is on the top of my list. As a plan B, I wouldn't mind seeing Pratt or Armstrong, if Rees i& co. are confident 2021 Armstrong is still in there somewhere after playing behind a porous OL.

Fair enough but do you blame all those INTs on a porous OL?? I could see being sacked more but so many INTs to me spells more QB issues for Armstrong.

BTW, Pratt's numbers are amazing.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I am fine with Card. I think the pressure to play Ewers was tremendous and likely skewed Sark's ability to go with him as QB1.

I don't think we are looking for the guaranteed starter but a QB that is willing to come in and battle for the job that has some history in his background that could indicate a higher ceiling than this year's QB (Pyne). I certainly think Card has that upside.

That stated I kinda thought Tulane's Pratt was and is on ND's radar. Tulane is a very good school too.

If we end up with either of these two, I would be happy.

 

[IrishLion]

Oh no. Lion’s #3 school is getting Mertz to replace Levis?


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[Some Irish Bloke]

Fair enough but do you blame all those INTs on a porous OL?? I could see being sacked more but so many INTs to me spells more QB issues for Armstrong.

BTW, Pratt's numbers are amazing.

I would say mostly OL issues, yes. He put up big numbers in 2021 but lost a lot on that side of the ball in 2022. IMO, my preference is 1) Card, 2) Pratt and 3) Armstrong (if Leary is indeed off the table).

Rees will do his diligence if he becomes a legitimate transfer option. What caused the regression, and is the 2021 guy still in there or should we expect 2022 Armstrong (hard pass)? Truth is probably somewhere in the middle.

There are better options than Armstrong to be sure, but at the very least if it comes to that, we'll have a body in the QB room to compete with Buchner & Angeli come Spring.

 

[StPaul_Irish]

Mertz is headed to Kentucky apparently


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There is a Kentucky Windage joke somewhere here.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

Bottom line is we don't know for sure if Pyne left because he was "butthurt" or if he simply saw the "writing on the wall" and is making a decision for what he thinks gives him the best chance to start in the future. He knew he was unlikely to start again for Notre Dame.

Listening to some of the beat writers, their impression was that Pyne handled all the criticism very well and kept a team-first attitude. They alluded to those “around Pyne” (family members, HS coaches?) were sensitive to any negative comments written in articles or mentioned on podcasts.

Pyne did the best he could. It was frustrating at times but it also could’ve been a lot worse as most of us weren’t confident ND could get bowl eligible after Stanford. I can’t imagine Pyne going to a P5 school w/ a legit chance to start. Maybe G5 but may make sense to hit the Ivy League: closer to home & he can still get an elite degree since he’s leaving ND early. I know there’s no athletic scholarships for the Ivy League programs but it sounds like Pyne’s family can afford it.

I have zero worry that Drew Pyne will do just fine in life.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

So Pratt's numbers look pretty good, threw 25 TDs, 5 INTs and ran for an additional 10 but wasn't used heavily in the run game for every game which means he doesn't rely on it too much. His completion percentage was good at 66%. I wonder what the offense asked him to do each week?

Does the throw a nice deep ball? Or is he a short to intermediate thrower? Does he move to his 2nd/3rd/4th options? Willing to challenge the middle of the field? Has anyone watched his games? How was his OL this past year? Will he look improved behind an OL like NDs?

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

Listening to some of the beat writers, their impression was that Pyne handled all the criticism very well and kept a team-first attitude. They alluded to those “around Pyne” (family members, HS coaches?) were sensitive to any negative comments written in articles or mentioned on podcasts.

Pyne did the best he could. It was frustrating at times but it also could’ve been a lot worse as most of us weren’t confident ND could get bowl eligible after Stanford. I can’t imagine Pyne going to a P5 school w/ a legit chance to start. Maybe G5 but may make sense to hit the Ivy League: closer to home & he can still get an elite degree since he’s leaving ND early. I know there’s no athletic scholarships for the Ivy League programs but it sounds like Pyne’s family can afford it.

I have zero worry that Drew Pyne will do just fine in life.

Well said.

 

[irishff1014]

I am fine with Card. I think the pressure to play Ewers was tremendous and likely skewed Sark's ability to go with him as QB1.

I don't think we are looking for the guaranteed starter but a QB that is willing to come in and battle for the job that has some history in his background that could indicate a higher ceiling than this year's QB (Pyne). I certainly think Card has that upside.

That stated I kinda thought Tulane's Pratt was and is on ND's radar. Tulane is a very good school too.

If we end up with either of these two, I would be happy.

The NIL says you are welcome.

 

[Irish du Nord]

Fair enough but do you blame all those INTs on a porous OL?? I could see being sacked more but so many INTs to me spells more QB issues for Armstrong.

BTW, Pratt's numbers are amazing.

I gotta agree here. It’s one thing being a risk-taking gunslinger at UVA and another thing entirely being the starting QB at Notre Dame. The pressure is higher, the schedule is harder, and you’ll be playing in the opposition’s Super Bowl pretty much every week. Teams are going to game-plan him into turnovers and we can’t afford to drop an unusual game if we have championship aspirations. I love Armstrong’s grit and I think he’s a good QB but I don’t think he’s suited for the role here.

 

[Dale]

Prister’s Thursday Thoughts

In a titanic matchup between two great units, the Gator Bowl will feature Pete Lembo’s South Carolina special teams versus Brian Mason’s special teams. As difficult as it may be for followers of Notre Dame football to imagine, the Gamecocks have had the more successful special teams in ’22.

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Mixed reports on NDs pursuit (or not) of Leary

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

Prister’s Thursday Thoughts

In a titanic matchup between two great units, the Gator Bowl will feature Pete Lembo’s South Carolina special teams versus Brian Mason’s special teams. As difficult as it may be for followers of Notre Dame football to imagine, the Gamecocks have had the more successful special teams in ’22.

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Mixed reports on NDs pursuit (or not) of Leary

IOW, ND is interested but not going to meet his current demands.

 

[rtrn2glory]

So we're losing out on him cuz of NIL or he wants a guaranteed starting position? heard this story before

 

[Dale]

Who is the competition? I thought Missouri and Illinois but that is just the obvious ones. Missouri struck out on literally every QB target last year and is losing a WR due to NIL in part. Not sure what Illinois NIL game is. Probably somewhat existent but not daunting.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

So we're losing out on him cuz of NIL or he wants a guaranteed starting position? heard this story before

It's tough to guarantee someone a starting position coming off as serious of an injury as he has, but I'm sure some middling program would do it.

But of course a high profile transfer like him would like some NIL assurances.

 

[rtrn2glory]

I don't think he should be guaranteed anything on the field either, but if I'm him I'm going somewhere where it is TBH. Otherwise he should just declare for the league or go back to NC State. That's always been my fear the whole time in regard to landing a transfer QB. They aren't transferring to sit and the ones we're recruiting are going to want to be on the field and I'm sure Buchner is not willing to just let that happen, which maybe opens him up to transferring if he loses out.

 

[Dale]

If its not NIL and a starting job guarantee, I mean I get it he’s injured and wants to go to the NFL next year, but on the flip side, not encouraging we “lie” to him but if we say yes, and Buchner beats him out theoretically, which I don’t think will happen, what is the downside to us? He’ll enter the portal right away? Sit out and enter the draft? He has more to lose than us really. IIRC Auburn promised the job to Calazada and he just stunk and so went with others before he ended up hurt anyways.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

If its not NIL and a starting job guarantee, I mean I get it he’s injured and wants to go to the NFL next year, but on the flip side, not encouraging we “lie” to him but if we say yes, and Buchner beats him out theoretically, which I don’t think will happen, what is the downside to us? He’ll enter the portal right away? Sit out and enter the draft? He has more to lose than us really.

There could be a reputation risk if he leaks to the media that "ND promised the job and didn't give it to me" for future transfers/recruits but that's about it.

Let's be honest, I really don't want a QB who would shy away from a little competition from Buchner anyways. If you want guaranteed playing time, you go to Mizzou or Illinois like you said.

You want to go to a school with ND's prestige, you have to earn the job. Not many years on campus that we don't have a QB competition in some capacity

 

[Irishdrunk]

This is going to be the most interesting portal ever.

 

[Irishdrunk]

There could be a reputation risk if he leaks to the media that "ND promised the job and didn't give it to me" for future transfers/recruits but that's about it.

Let's be honest, I really don't want a QB who would shy away from a little competition from Buchner anyways. If you want guaranteed playing time, you go to Mizzou or Illinois like you said.

You want to go to a school with ND's prestige, you have to earn the job. Not many years on campus that we don't have a QB competition in some capacity

True but in this case, couldn't he just stay at NC State and start? Is he not going to start over MJ Morris??

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

There could be a reputation risk if he leaks to the media that "ND promised the job and didn't give it to me" for future transfers/recruits but that's about it.

Let's be honest, I really don't want a QB who would shy away from a little competition from Buchner anyways. If you want guaranteed playing time, you go to Mizzou or Illinois like you said.

You want to go to a school with ND's prestige, you have to earn the job. Not many years on campus that we don't have a QB competition in some capacity

In Leary's defense he's not going to be able to win a job in the spring due to his injury.

 

[Luckylucci]

The first segment of this is dedicated to the transfer QB market conversation. Thought it worth a read for it's perspective.

6 Thoughts on a Thursday

Thoughts on finding the right quarterback who can elevate his game and help elevate Notre Dame's offense, why the Phil Longo situation proves why no one can blame any player for looking for a better opportunity, and more

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[thekid33]

I'm sure Buchner is not willing to just let that happen, which maybe opens him up to transferring if he loses out.

1) As far as Buchner not being willing to just let someone come in and take his job, you are correct and that's a very good thing for the state of the program. I want guys to have to compete and constantly earn their status. Anyone afraid of competition isn't worth having, in my opinion.

2) If Buchner transferred after losing out, we are still looking better at QB in the following years with Minchey entering his second season in the program and then Carr coming in. Maybe, TB would still have a shot at starting the following year - but realistically, I think next season is make or break for TB.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

True but in this case, couldn't he just stay at NC State and start? Is he not going to start over MJ Morris??

I'm sure that's still an option but Leary is wise to at least test the waters and see what options are available, from both an $$$ perspective and potential fits on the field.

In Leary's defense he's not going to be able to win a job in the spring due to his injury.

Right, but all the more reason he shouldn't be guaranteed a job at his next destination. I get why he'd ask for it from his perspective, but if you can't even come in to build rapport with your offense until Fall Camp, especially coming off an injury of that magnitude, what quality program would guarantee him the job?