2023 Transfer QB

[StPaul_Irish]

If we take a grad transfer QB, does that not render the possibility that Buchner transfers? If that happens, would we then need back to back grad transfers in 2023 and 2024 or a guy that can stay 2 years? I assume that would also mean all the chips are in the grad transfer basket and also CJ Carr would need to be a home run, developed quickly by the staff, and be ready to be called upon very early in his college career. I see no situation where not landing a legitimate QB in the 2023 class is not a huge disaster. What's the scoop on Angeli in practice performance? Is he a future dog?

You got jokes man

 

[stlnd01]

If we take a grad transfer QB, does that not render the possibility that Buchner transfers? If that happens, would we then need back to back grad transfers in 2023 and 2024 or a guy that can stay 2 years? I assume that would also mean all the chips are in the grad transfer basket and also CJ Carr would need to be a home run, developed quickly by the staff, and be ready to be called upon very early in his college career. I see no situation where not landing a legitimate QB in the 2023 class is not a huge disaster. What's the scoop on Angeli in practice performance? Is he a future dog?

This is why we should not run off Buchner.

It leaves us entirely dependent on one-year-rental grad transfers and Angeli as bridges to Carr, who is probably at least two full years from being ready. (and puts enormous pressure on Carr panning out as hoped). Even if you think Angeli is good, which is an open question, we're still really thin at QB. Or we can be a little patient with the high-ceilinged four-star with three years of eligibility remaining.

It's a very fine line the staff needs to walk here, b/c we absolutely need a transfer (and probably it's a grad transfer) but you don't want to scare off Buchner either. Find a transfer who's willing to come in and compete for the job, best man wins. Who that transfer is, I dunno.

And yeah even if he's a fucking baseball player we have to take a QB in the '23 class. It's asinine that we haven't even landed a visit this season. I do not understand it.

 

[NDMatt91]

If we take a grad transfer QB, does that not render the possibility that Buchner transfers?

It might, but if Buchner can't beat out the transfer then it doesn't really matter.

 

[Nostradumbass]

It might, but if Buchner can't beat out the transfer then it doesn't really matter.

Only would matter if we think Buchner is a better 2-3 year investment than a grad transfer and if we don’t think the upside of having to go to the portal 2 years in a row is the better move. It seems like if you go portal, you almost certainly have to go portal again for 2024, assuming he’s a Coan type 1 year wonder. Running Buchner off is a huge risk for multiple years. On the other hand, Buchner is a liability.

 

[NDMatt91]

Only would matter if we think Buchner is a better 2-3 year investment than a grad transfer and if we don’t think the upside of having to go to the portal 2 years in a row is the better move. It seems like if you go portal, you almost certainly have to go portal again for 2024, assuming he’s a Coan type 1 year wonder. Running Buchner off is a huge risk for multiple years. On the other hand, Buchner is a liability.

Buchner is too much of a wildcard. He can't stay healthy and he hasn't shown a whole lot this year to indicate that he should be the guy next year. McNamara, Card, and Van Dyke would all be upgrades over Buchner, and Pyne, for that matter.

 

[Nostradumbass]

Buchner is too much of a wildcard. He can't stay healthy and he hasn't shown a whole lot this year to indicate that he should be the guy next year. McNamara, Card, and Van Dyke would all be upgrades over Buchner, and Pyne, for that matter.

If the staff sees the same degree of upside for Angeli as they do Buchner, then I think you go portal and let Buchner decide if he wants to compete. If he’s afraid to compete, then perhaps it’s bc he’s not as good as we hoped.

 

[Luckylucci]

I don't worry at all about transfers at the QB position. If it is not abundantly clear by now, to the entire football program, that we need to increase the competition at the QB position then we should likely move on anyways. "Challenge Everything" needs to start including everything. Not just what each coach wants it to mean.

 

[GATTACA!]

Only would matter if we think Buchner is a better 2-3 year investment than a grad transfer and if we don’t think the upside of having to go to the portal 2 years in a row is the better move. It seems like if you go portal, you almost certainly have to go portal again for 2024, assuming he’s a Coan type 1 year wonder. Running Buchner off is a huge risk for multiple years. On the other hand, Buchner is a liability.

That’s why is paramount for Carr to reclassify. If he comes in for 2023 he could start in 24.

 

[stlnd01]

Buchner is too much of a wildcard. He can't stay healthy and he hasn't shown a whole lot this year to indicate that he should be the guy next year. McNamara, Card, and Van Dyke would all be upgrades over Buchner, and Pyne, for that matter.

Buchner is certainly a wildcard, but never got the chance to show much because he played less than two full games with a Swiss cheese offensive line. That's not his fault. If he'd gotten the protection Pyne has been getting it since basically the Cal game might be a very different story.
Unfortunately we can't really know how good he is until next season at this point.

As for Carr, if he were going to reclassify I tend to think we'd know that by now. (though it is basically the only conceivable reason our QB recruiting has been so passive this fall. So maybe...)

 

[T Town Tommy]

Buchner is certainly a wildcard, but never got the chance to show much because he played less than two full games with a Swiss cheese offensive line. That's not his fault. If he'd gotten the protection Pyne has been getting it since basically the Cal game might be a very different story.
Unfortunately we can't really know how good he is until next season at this point.

As for Carr, if he were going to reclassify I tend to think we'd know that by now. (though it is basically the only conceivable reason our QB recruiting has been so passive this fall. So maybe...)

It should be grounds for termination if TR hasn't been actively recruiting the QB position for this cycle... Carr reclassifying or not.

 

[Irish4life]

Buchner is too much of a wildcard. He can't stay healthy and he hasn't shown a whole lot this year to indicate that he should be the guy next year. McNamara, Card, and Van Dyke would all be upgrades over Buchner, and Pyne, for that matter.

Van Dyke no question, McNamara and especially Card absolutely not

 

[Nostradumbass]

That’s why is paramount for Carr to reclassify. If he comes in for 2023 he could start in 24.

I agree that would be awesome. Wasn’t that hope was shot down recently?

 

[stlnd01]

Van Dyke no question, McNamara and especially Card absolutely not

If McNamara or Card want to come and compete with Buchner for the job, that's great. Let's see what happens.
But I just don't think we should dump a guy who was our undisputed QB1 and then got hurt for guys who aren't good enough to see the field at other, lesser, programs.

That said, it would be fun if McNamara got beat out by BOTH JJ and Buchner.

 

[Dale]

Van Dyke no question, McNamara and especially Card absolutely not

How is Card “absolutely not” an upgrade over Buchner? Both are mostly potential at this stage.

I completely disagree on McNamara as well but I at least know the path of debate with regards to ceiling there.

 

[Dale]

Card was 63% for 150 playing 3Q entering the game when Ewers got hurt vs Alabama. He was hurt too by the end.

72% for 290 per game 5/1 TD/INT in 2 Big 12 starts vs TTU and WVU.

We’re like 100% sure he just can’t be better than Buchner? No way. Definitely a guy you bring and compete and if Buchner wins that’s good for everyone. Someone like Luke Altmyer at Ole Miss I would say similar. Guys wouldn’t be handed the job but could go either way.

 

[Nostradumbass]

Van Dyke no question, McNamara and especially Card absolutely not

Kate is better than Buckner in my opinion.

If McNamara or Card want to come and compete with Buchner for the job, that's great. Let's see what happens.
But I just don't think we should dump a guy who was our undisputed QB1 and then got hurt for guys who aren't good enough to see the field at other, lesser, programs.

That said, it would be fun if McNamara got beat out by BOTH JJ and Buchner.

Buchner is fragile. Cade would do well at Notre Dame and I think he would be a good fit. i’m not quite sure JJ is any better and it was a controversial move.

 

[Irish4life]

How is Card “absolutely not” an upgrade over Buchner? Both are mostly potential at this stage.

I completely disagree on McNamara as well but I at least know the path of debate with regards to ceiling there.

Card is 100% carried by Sark. He can hit the wide open passes that are schemed open, but as soon as that first read is gone he's done.

 

[Dale]

Card is 100% carried by Sark. He can hit the wide open passes that are schemed open, but as soon as that first read is gone he's done.

We’ve basically only seen the same from Buchner?

 

[stlnd01]

Card was 63% for 150 playing 3Q entering the game when Ewers got hurt vs Alabama.

72% for 290 per game 5/1 TD/INT in 2 Big 12 starts vs TTU and WVU.

We’re like 100% sure he just can’t be better than Buchner? No way. Definitely a guy you bring and compete and if Buchner wins that’s good for everyone. Someone like Luke Altmyer at Ole Miss I would say similar. Guys wouldn’t be handed the job but could go either way.

This is the way.

 

[chisea03]

I came across this on YouTube

 

[ColinKSU]

If we take a grad transfer QB, does that not render the possibility that Buchner transfers? If that happens, would we then need back to back grad transfers in 2023 and 2024 or a guy that can stay 2 years? I assume that would also mean all the chips are in the grad transfer basket and also CJ Carr would need to be a home run, developed quickly by the staff, and be ready to be called upon very early in his college career. I see no situation where not landing a legitimate QB in the 2023 class is not a huge disaster. What's the scoop on Angeli in practice performance? Is he a future dog?

What has Buchner done that would make the staff pass on an obvious need for the second year in a row to keep him happy?

ND needs to have a QB who can move the team forward. What they don’t need is to worry about upsetting the injured/ineffective QBs on their roster.

 

[condoms SUCk]

I came across this on YouTube

Yup, I would have helped Cade McNamara move!

 

[Dale]

I’ve watched my oddly fair share of KSU games and Howard never looked good when he was backing up Skylar Thompson in the past. He looked night and day better this year. Better than Martinez at throwing the ball.

Not sure I’m buying that KSU doesn’t want to burn his RS. They stand a chance to win the B12, it is definitely worth it if Howard is better. Due to COVID he has two years if he wants anyways. He’ll be in line to start at KSU next year but whenever preserving a RS comes up for an upperclassmen, I feel like transferring is a possibility. Could be good open competition type transfer.

 

[Irish4life]

We’ve basically only seen the same from Buchner?

That's the point....if we don't get someone who's clearly better it's not worth it. ND needs to aim higher than Card.

 

[IrishLax]

What has Buchner done that would make the staff pass on an obvious need for the second year in a row to keep him happy?

ND needs to have a QB who can move the team forward. What they don’t need is to worry about upsetting the injured/ineffective QBs on their roster.

I put the chance of Buchner transferring at basically 0%. Would be in his junior year close to graduating and have 3 years of eligibility left. Would make very little sense for him to do.

 

[Ndaccountant]

Card was 63% for 150 playing 3Q entering the game when Ewers got hurt vs Alabama. He was hurt too by the end.

72% for 290 per game 5/1 TD/INT in 2 Big 12 starts vs TTU and WVU.

We’re like 100% sure he just can’t be better than Buchner? No way. Definitely a guy you bring and compete and if Buchner wins that’s good for everyone. Someone like Luke Altmyer at Ole Miss I would say similar. Guys wouldn’t be handed the job but could go either way.

Agree completely.

 

[Irish4life]

I put the chance of Buchner transferring at basically 0%. Would be in his junior year close to graduating and have 3 years of eligibility left. Would make very little sense for him to do.

Would also have a chance to win the job again in 2024 and be a play away in 23. Would make zero sense for him to transfer, unless Rees gets a HC job and he follows.

 

[Dale]

if we don't get someone who's clearly better it's not worth it.

Completely disagree. That’s why we are in this mess this year.

How does anyone know who’s clearly better or worse than Buchner?

 

[arndtjc]

I’ve watched my oddly fair share of KSU games and Howard never looked good when he was backing up Skylar Thompson in the past. He looked night and day better this year. Better than Martinez at throwing the ball.

Not sure I’m buying that KSU doesn’t want to burn his RS. They stand a chance to win the B12, it is definitely worth it if Howard is better. Due to COVID he has two years if he wants anyways. He’ll be in line to start at KSU next year but whenever preserving a RS comes up for an upperclassmen, I feel like transferring is a possibility. Could be good open competition type transfer.

They’ve been a money overs pick the last few weeks, I’ve watched way too much KSU football this year as well lmao

 

[StPaul_Irish]

Completely disagree. That’s why we are in this mess this year.

How does anyone know who’s clearly better or worse than Buchner?

Apparently the joke is on you Dale, or you hit your head. It's obvious that we know more then the staff, and we know for fact that TB isn't the answer based on the 19 snaps he has taken this year. If you can't see that, then you are the problem.