2023 - State of the Recruiting Class

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du Lac said:
ND won’t change as long as the naive fans keep hoping and expecting a championship. There are literally hundreds of thousands of ND fans that actually think in any given year we will win it all. They don’t have a clue,….
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What he’s trying to say guys is,… I’m the hero Irish fans deserve,…
 
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du Lac said:
ND won’t change as long as the naive fans keep hoping and expecting a championship. There are literally hundreds of thousands of ND fans that actually think in any given year we will win it all. They don’t have a clue who we are recruiting. As long as they fill the stands, and spend millions on tickets and merch they don’t care. 8 to 12 wins a year keeps the fan base content that we are making progress and close. If most fans paid half as much attention as the people in this forum, the pressure on ND would be so overwhelming they’d have no choice but to change.
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Then ND is going to learn the hard way that fans aren't going to stick around.

The fanbase is getting older and older, and the landscape, if left unchecked, is going to turn off many general CFB fans. If ND can't get over the hump, people will stop caring. ND was a top 10 team last year and they had embarrassing showings for their first few home games. The Toledo and Cincinnati games come to mind, where the ND fan turnout was putrid.

Reality is that ND doesn't seem to be nabbing the young fans like they used to, because much of what the younger fans know about ND is them getting walloped in the big games to Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, etc.

And I think most ND fans are either aware or will soon find out about how things have turned in the CFB landscape regarding NIL. It's almost impossible to avoid the subject. So then when they try to figure out what ND is doing to fight this and the answer is fuck-all, the doubt will start to set in.

It will just be another hurdle that ND has to overcome, and eventually, you can only have so many hurdles. Not to mention, you have a first year head coach in a critical juncture of your program. How ND traverses these next few years will be absolutely crucial to the survivability of the program.

How long can ND continue to fall short against the best teams before it gets old? Not even just beating them, but looking remotely competitive against them. And now those same programs that were raking in top talent left and right will be even more difficult to beat out for said talent, because they're willing to put forth a lot more than ND is willing to with NIL.
 
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Just because Kelly may or may not end up with a better recruiting class means nothing to me, he still hasn't named a starting QB (shocker), and if I were a betting man looking at their schedule I have 3 wins guaranteed for him...his post game interview after a loss to FSU should be a good listen. Will he still have his southern accent?
 
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irishandy said:
Just because Kelly may or may not end up with a better recruiting class means nothing to me, he still hasn't named a starting QB (shocker), and if I were a betting man looking at their schedule I have 3 wins guaranteed for him...his post game interview after a loss to FSU should be a good listen. Will he still have his southern accent?
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He’s going to out recruit us and he has a better shot at a title. Exactly why he left. We got left with status quo recruiting and a coach that’s never been a head coach even at the high school level. Some can’t handle the truth.
 
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Crazy Balki said:
Then ND is going to learn the hard way that fans aren't going to stick around.

The fanbase is getting older and older, and the landscape, if left unchecked, is going to turn off many general CFB fans. If ND can't get over the hump, people will stop caring. ND was a top 10 team last year and they had embarrassing showings for their first few home games. The Toledo and Cincinnati games come to mind, where the ND fan turnout was putrid.

Reality is that ND doesn't seem to be nabbing the young fans like they used to, because much of what the younger fans know about ND is them getting walloped in the big games to Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, etc.

And I think most ND fans are either aware or will soon find out about how things have turned in the CFB landscape regarding NIL. It's almost impossible to avoid the subject. So then when they try to figure out what ND is doing to fight this and the answer is fuck-all, the doubt will start to set in.

It will just be another hurdle that ND has to overcome, and eventually, you can only have so many hurdles. Not to mention, you have a first year head coach in a critical juncture of your program. How ND traverses these next few years will be absolutely crucial to the survivability of the program.

How long can ND continue to fall short against the best teams before it gets old? Not even just beating them, but looking remotely competitive against them. And now those same programs that were raking in top talent left and right will be even more difficult to beat out for said talent, because they're willing to put forth a lot more than ND is willing to with NIL.
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du Lac said:
He’s going to out recruit us and he has a better shot at a title. Exactly why he left. Some can’t handle the truth.
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ND and LSU have one thing in common we are all enjoying the new flavor of a head coach, I think ND's flavor will last longer; long term.

I will be shocked if Kelly will win a title, Lincoln Riley told LSU no to the head coaching job to play in a easier conference.

I think most can handle the truth on this message board...can you?
 
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du Lac said:
ND won’t change as long as the naive fans keep hoping and expecting a championship. There are literally hundreds of thousands of ND fans that actually think in any given year we will win it all. They don’t have a clue who we are recruiting. As long as they fill the stands, and spend millions on tickets and merch they don’t care. 8 to 12 wins a year keeps the fan base content that we are making progress and close. If most fans paid half as much attention as the people in this forum, the pressure on ND would be so overwhelming they’d have no choice but to change.
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And there are literally hundreds of thousands of fans that who are happy to just take in the experience for what it is and don’t need an NC to satisfy them. You’re wanting the average fan to immerse themselves into NDFB at your level. Never going to happen.
 
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Crazy Balki said:
Then ND is going to learn the hard way that fans aren't going to stick around.

The fanbase is getting older and older, and the landscape, if left unchecked, is going to turn off many general CFB fans. If ND can't get over the hump, people will stop caring. ND was a top 10 team last year and they had embarrassing showings for their first few home games. The Toledo and Cincinnati games come to mind, where the ND fan turnout was putrid.

Reality is that ND doesn't seem to be nabbing the young fans like they used to, because much of what the younger fans know about ND is them getting walloped in the big games to Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, etc.

And I think most ND fans are either aware or will soon find out about how things have turned in the CFB landscape regarding NIL. It's almost impossible to avoid the subject. So then when they try to figure out what ND is doing to fight this and the answer is fuck-all, the doubt will start to set in.

It will just be another hurdle that ND has to overcome, and eventually, you can only have so many hurdles. Not to mention, you have a first year head coach in a critical juncture of your program. How ND traverses these next few years will be absolutely crucial to the survivability of the program.

How long can ND continue to fall short against the best teams before it gets old? Not even just beating them, but looking remotely competitive against them. And now those same programs that were raking in top talent left and right will be even more difficult to beat out for said talent, because they're willing to put forth a lot more than ND is willing to with NIL.
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The fan base will be just fine.
 
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And there are literally hundreds of thousands of fans that who are happy to just take in the experience for what it is and don’t need an NC to satisfy them. You’re wanting the average fan to immerse themselves into NDFB at your level. Never going to happen.
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Tell me you're an old alumni who doesn't give a shit about winning without telling me you're an old alumni who doesn't give a shit about winning. The BOT just like your post
 
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arahop said:
Tell me you're an old alumni who doesn't give a shit about winning without telling me you're an old alumni who doesn't give a shit about winning. The BOT just like your post
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Your getting a bit big for your britches there sonny, some of us old fogeys still can get hard and have a useable pimp hand to smack a touch of respect back into you
 
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Your getting a bit big for your britches there sonny, some of us old fogeys still can get hard and have a useable pimp hand to smack a touch of respect back into you
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Bahahahaha. It's just funny to me that a lot of people adopted all of the excuses that have held the program down for 30 plus years now. The exception is my 70 year old Uncle who graduated from ND. He's on board with being progressive and evolving. He's probably in the 5% in that demographic. The older one gets the more set in their ways they are.
 
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Winning a NC doesnt make a fan base. It makes fair weathered fans. Indy Colts had decades of crap seasons then Manning won and all of sudden everyone from CA to NY was wearing Colts merch that they couldnt give away prior.
ND had plenty of fans during Weis, Davey and Willinghams crap seasons and they will keep having them despite ND not being a truly legit NC contender.
 
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arahop said:
Bahahahaha. It's just funny to me that a lot of people adopted all of the excuses that have held the program down for 30 plus years now. The exception is my 70 year old Uncle who graduated from ND. He's on board with being progressive and evolving. He's probably in the 5% in that demographic. The older one gets the more set in their ways they are.
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ND88 said:
How do I put this nicely?

Some of you prognosticators need to get out of the fart box that is your mind.

Notre Dame football is fuckin’ awesome. I’m a fan for many, many reasons. I could give a shit if other teams or coaches win titles. This ain’t the dumbass SEC. Other teams, LSU, Bama, etc., don’t represent all the reasons I love ND, some universal and some personal I won’t lay out here.

Do I want ND to be more aggressive with the big boys in terms of NIL? Yes. 1000%. But do I want the program to be exactly like the pseudo/outright cheating undervaluing-education/integrity fucks they are? Never.

In the meantime, stop acting like the rest of us are sleeping because of this and that obvious statement we’ve all thought over before a million times. All this negative thinking more likely means you might honestly be rooting for the wrong team. Or you have severe PTSD because no one wants to listen to your useless rants at home.

I’d rather be a straight up homer than repeat over and over that the sky is falling, we’re gonna fail, and homerism is the blue pill while you continuously smell your own farts and call them fresh takes.

My friend(s), get some air.
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The sky isn't falling. The BOT just provides a constant rain on the football program. ND absolutely needs to get with it and figure out the NIL and how to not let top players go because of it. I'm not calling for our right cheating. It's not unreasonable for ND to come up with some intuitive solutions so that ND doesn't fall back into mediocrity.
 
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The sky isn't falling. The BOT just provides a constant rain on the football program. ND absolutely needs to get with it and figure out the NIL and how to not let top players go because of it. I'm not calling for our right cheating. It's not unreasonable for ND to come up with some intuitive solutions so that ND doesn't fall back into mediocrity.
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The half measure is not prepay or P4P but a more credible and complete guarantee of post enrollment nil.
 
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Not sure exactly what this all has (directly on topic) to do with the State of the Recruiting Class, but I love Notre Dame (ND, 1962) and I love ND football (Buoniconti to Buchner). I will love ND football regardless, but particularly now love that we can recruit, coach, and send out Big Boys who back off nobody and go into the NFL with pride. I see a football team that is Top Ten quality essentially every year, and in a sport where there are three and a half semi-pro player playing nothing-but-football to concentrate upon businesses, being rated in the next one-to-seven programs is elite (when you carve the businesses out of those ratings.)

The National Championship still involves those three-and-a-half businesses (every year basically without fail), so that goal is nearly unachievable by any sane thinker .... but our Big Boys will be there ... waiting for "Joe Burrow." And that's OK by me.
 
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I trust that the italics mean that you know who my classmate Nick Buoniconti was. One of NDs greatest warriors and once my teammate on the freshman intramural BBall team (Keenan Hall second floor.)
 
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The half measure is not prepay or P4P but a more credible and complete guarantee of post enrollment nil.
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I can't say for sure, but wouldn't be in the least bit surprised if this is what these schools are doing right now.

Even though we don't hear how this money ties back into NIL, it doesn't mean that the NIL deals don't exist.

Can't imagine the collectives/boosters wouldn't try to cover their and their school's asses if they can.
 
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ND88 said:
How do I put this nicely?

Some of you prognosticators need to get out of the fart box that is your mind.

Notre Dame football is fuckin’ awesome. I’m a fan for many, many reasons. I could give a shit if other teams or coaches win titles. This ain’t the dumbass SEC. Other teams, LSU, Bama, etc., don’t represent all the reasons I love ND, some universal and some personal I won’t lay out here.

Do I want ND to be more aggressive with the big boys in terms of NIL? Yes. 1000%. But do I want the program to be exactly like the pseudo/outright cheating undervaluing-education/integrity fucks they are? Never.

In the meantime, stop acting like the rest of us are sleeping because of this and that obvious statement we’ve all thought over before a million times. All this negative thinking more likely means you might honestly be rooting for the wrong team. Or you have severe PTSD because no one wants to listen to your useless rants at home.

I’d rather be a straight up homer than repeat over and over that the sky is falling, we’re gonna fail, and homerism is the blue pill while you continuously smell your own farts and call them fresh takes.

My friend(s), get some air.
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