2020 Presidential Horse Race

[Buster Bluth]

Crazy as it sounds, I think Biden gives the Dems their strongest option for 2020. Hillary called Trump supporters deplorable and played identity politics, and lost.

If the Dems put a moderate out (not sure they have any left), they have a good chance of beating Trump. Roll out a left wing SJW like Warren or Harris and Trump will hold on to states like FL, VA, OH, PA, etc. Trump vs Bernie would look like Bama vs Vandy in football.

A Dem candidate screaming for amnesty and transgender bathrooms versus Trump talking about his implemented tax cuts and a strong economy...game over.

I actually respectfully disagree with the Sanders take and I think the Trump/Sanders waves in 2016 were just the Left and the Right saying very similar things, albeit with different vocabularies.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

If I'm running the DNC (Lord knows I'm not), I'm getting all my people under one roof behind closed doors, identifying WHY we lost 2016, WHY the other team has more governors, the House, the Senate and the White House, and how we change our message and policy for 2020 across the board.

This excludes CA and NY...you guys/ gals just keep doing what you normally do because nothing is changing there.

LOL. The DNC (Hillary) blamed everyone and everything under the sun except themselves. They need a new message; a new brand. And they need to get back to focusing on the working class, especially in the rust belt and other flyover/rural areas, which HRC ignored.

I actually respectfully disagree with the Sanders take and I think the Trump/Sanders waves in 2016 were just the Left and the Right saying very similar things, albeit with different vocabularies.

Yup. The anti-establishment/outsider demographic is fired up in this country.

 

[connor_in]

Crazy as it sounds, I think Biden gives the Dems their strongest option for 2020. Hillary called Trump supporters deplorable and played identity politics, and lost.

If the Dems put a moderate out (not sure they have any left), they have a good chance of beating Trump. Roll out a left wing SJW like Warren or Harris and Trump will hold on to states like FL, VA, OH, PA, etc. Trump vs Bernie would look like Bama vs Vandy in football.

A Dem candidate screaming for amnesty and transgender bathrooms versus Trump talking about his implemented tax cuts and a strong economy...game over.

Joe will eat a tide pod at the first Joe/Don debate and wrap up the entire millennial vote

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[Polish Leppy 22]

LOL. The DNC (Hillary) blamed everyone and everything under the sun except themselves. They need a new message; a new brand. And they need to get back to focusing on the working class, especially in the rust belt and other flyover/rural areas, which HRC ignored.



Yup. The anti-establishment/outsider demographic is fired up in this country.

Agreed. The DNC would be wise to move center, drop identity politics, and have more leadership/ spokespersons from states not named NY and CA.

 

[wizards8507]

Vogue: Disney CEO Bob Iger On Taking the Biggest Risk of His Career

He's running.

 

[dshans]

Couldn't resist:

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Instead of red MAGA caps does he pass out/sell Mouse Ears?

 

[Irish YJ]

Vogue: Disney CEO Bob Iger On Taking the Biggest Risk of His Career

He's running.

TLDR.... What party does he plan to run as since he officially changed from Dem to Ind a few years back? Is he really an Ind or Center guy, or was that just an "optics" move and he's back to the land of Left?

I don't know much about him, but I do like that he reclassified. I don't like however his strong ties to Hollywood and Oprah, or the fact he was HRC's co-chair or something for election fundraising.

I'd love to see a truly center candidate with the juice and chops to challenge the L and R, or simply the DC status quo...

 

[wizards8507]

TLDR.... What party does he plan to run as since he officially changed from Dem to Ind a few years back? Is he really an Ind or Center guy, or was that just an "optics" move and he's back to the land of Left?

I don't know much about him, but I do like that he reclassified. I don't like however his strong ties to Hollywood and Oprah, or the fact he was HRC's co-chair or something for election fundraising.

I'd love to see a truly center candidate with the juice and chops to challenge the L and R, or simply the DC status quo...

He's publicly a social liberal, but it's unclear how much of it is posturing to get on with his Hollywood friends and how much of it is "true believer." I'd guess he'd govern center-left on social issues, nominate Merrick Garland-esque justices, and not reverse tax reform.

 

[ND NYC]

Agreed. The DNC would be wise to move center, drop identity politics, and have more leadership/ spokespersons from states not named NY and CA.

agree, our last two presidents from California and NY really sucked...

 

[Irish YJ]

He's publicly a social liberal, but it's unclear how much of it is posturing to get on with his Hollywood friends and how much of it is "true believer." I'd guess he'd govern center-left on social issues, nominate Merrick Garland-esque justices, and not reverse tax reform.

I bet the first thing he did was get us back into Paris lol.

 

[wizards8507]

I bet the first thing he did was get us back into Paris lol.

From the article, "You can argue about just how valuable the Paris climate accords were, but I thought the principle of countries getting together and declaring that the world was potentially in peril was right."

 

[Irish YJ]

From the article, "You can argue about just how valuable the Paris climate accords were, but I thought the principle of countries getting together and declaring that the world was potentially in peril was right."

Countries getting together is a great thing for the common good. Absolutely. An agreement with a ton of funding, no teeth, and no Congressional blessing.... not so great. I'm all for the world getting together and doing something fair (economically across countries), enforceable, and passed by Congress.

 

[ACamp1900]

Countries getting together is a great thing for the common good. Absolutely.

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[Irish YJ]

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Everyone across the world sipping Coke didn't help much, did it. lol. The company does have some great marketing though. I'd rather Imagine like John Lennon...

 

[zelezo vlk]

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Mad Men spoilers bruh!

 

[Irish YJ]

Is Hillary Clinton secretly planning to run in 2020?
Is Hillary Clinton secretly planning to run in 2020? | Fox News

Please say it's so.... Round 2 entertainment would be off the charts.

The messages convey a sense of urgency, and are coming with increasing frequency. They are short, focused reactions to the latest “outrage” committed by President Trump.

Some end by asking for money, some urge participation in protests. All read as if they are sent from the official headquarters of the resistance.

Hillary Clinton is up to something.


Five times in the last month alone, she sent e-mails touting her super PAC’s role in combating President Trump. Most seized on headline events, such as the family-separation issue at the southern border.

Under the message line, “horrific,” she wrote June 18: “This is a moral and humanitarian crisis. Everyone of us who has ever held a child in their arms, and every human being with a sense of compassion and decency should be outraged.” She said she warned about Trump’s immigration policies during the 2016 campaign.

Three days later, she was back again, saying that her group, Onward Together, raised $1 million and would split it among organizations working to change border policy, including the American Civil Liberties Union and a gaggle of immigrant, refugee, Latino and women’s groups.

And the day after Supreme Court Justice Anthony Kennedy announced his retirement, Clinton introduced a newly minted resistance partner. Called Demand Justice, it promises to protect “reproductive rights, voting rights and access to health care” by keeping Senate Democrats united in opposing any conservative Trump nominee.

The instant, in-house nature of Demand Justice was reflected by the name of its executive director: Brian Fallon, Clinton’s campaign press secretary.

In truth, Fallon’s role doesn’t tell us something we didn’t know. Onward Together, formed in May of 2017, is a Clinton 2020 campaign vehicle in waiting.

Its homepage says the group “is dedicated to advancing the vision that earned nearly 66 million votes in the last election.”

Advancing the vision? More like advancing the candidate who collected those votes despite not having a vision.

With the Democratic Party locked in a battle between its far left wing and its far, far left wing, no single leader has emerged to unite it. Clinton is trying to play that role by being a mother hen to the fledgling activists drawn to politics by their hatred of Trump.

If they were active in 2016, most probably supported Bernie Sanders in his primary challenge to Clinton. But by helping to fund them now, she is putting them in her debt for later.

Ah, but will she need their support later? Is she really going to make a third run for the White House?

Not long ago, I told a group of friends, all liberal Dems, that I believed she was keeping open the possibility of a rematch against Trump, and might already have decided to run.

It was unanimous — they were horrified. “I would not give her a single cent,” one man, formerly a big donor to Clinton, said emphatically.

Their reasons are no surprise: Her moment has passed, she was a terrible candidate and her endless claims of victimhood are tiring rather than inspiring. It’s time to find new blood.

Those assessments are unassailable, and certainly are shared by the 20 or so Dems lining up to take their shot at the nomination.

Moreover, there isn’t any clamoring for another Clinton run in Hollywood or other leftist hotbeds. They want a new blockbuster, not a sequel to failure.

So she’s toast, right? Maybe.

On the other hand, the odds are zero that she is playing community organizer just to be a kingmaker. When it comes to money and power, the Clintons assume charity begins at home.

Here’s how I believe she sees the playing field, and why she can’t be ignored.

First, because there’s no clear front-runner for the nomination 18 months into Trump’s presidency, Clinton remains the closest thing to an incumbent. She’s also got numerous advantages, from name recognition to campaign experience to an off-the-shelf Cabinet, that could give her a head start.

Second, a crowded, diverse field diminishes the chances of anyone knocking her off. Recall how Trump outlasted 16 GOP rivals by having a committed core of supporters that grew as the field shrunk. Clinton could be in a similar position — unpopular among many, but also unbeatable by a single opponent.

Third, looking ahead to the 2020 primaries, she sees no reason to fear the favorite daughters and sons in key blue states. She would almost certainly beat Sen. Kamala Harris in California, Sen. Cory Booker in New Jersey and Gov. Andrew Cuomo in New York.

And please — forget Sanders and Joe Biden. Sanders is already 76 and Biden, at 75, has never been a viable candidate for president and still isn’t.

Fourth, money is not an issue. Some donors will resist Clinton at first, but any Dem nominee can count on all the money in the world to run against Trump.

To be clear, there are scenarios where Clinton doesn’t run. Health reasons, for example, or a younger rival could rocket to the top of the pack and become the party’s next Barack Obama. Either way, recurring nightmares of two previous defeats would send her back to wandering through the Chappaqua woods.

For now, I am convinced Clinton wants to go for it. Doubters should recall the line about pols who get the presidential itch: There are only two cures — election or death.

Besides, the third time could be the charm.

 

[Irish YJ]

didn't see / forgot we already had a 2020 thread...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Real people. Real important.<br>Use your vote as your voice and speak truth to power.<br>Vote! <a href="https://t.co/3LEyvCArBQ">pic.twitter.com/3LEyvCArBQ</a></p>— Michael Avenatti (@MichaelAvenatti) <a href="https://twitter.com/MichaelAvenatti/status/1058075491305848832?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 1, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[Irish YJ]

The Lefty fems are turning on Beto2020

https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/27/opinions/beto-mania-doesnt-do-justice-to-women-filipovic/index.html

 

[drayer54]

As an IE poster and someone who is pretty active in Iowa politics...

Eric Swalwell is definitely running. He is the California Congressman who has openly called for gun confiscation and gave gun owners a casual reminder that a gun confiscation order would be backed by a government with nukes... Real winner. He’s been here ~15 times this year.

https://twitter.com/repswalwell/status/1063527635114852352?s=21

Bloomberg has been here with meetings too. That’s another win for the nanny state. He pumped a quarter mil into the state Democrats purse for the midterms to buy some kind greetings.

The other name that keeps coming back for supper is John Delaney. He won’t win anything, so I’ll just leave that one alone.

Booker and Harris are getting pretty familiar with the Des Moines Airport too.

 

[ACamp1900]

He’s a poster here??? Lol

 

[Irish YJ]

Tulsi Gabbard says she will run for president in 2020
https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/11/politics/tulsi-gabbard-van-jones/index.html

For a Dem, I like some things about her while not liking the rest lol.

 

[connor_in]

Ouch


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Kamala Harris has never identified herself with Black people, but now that she's running for president and she need the Black vote, her camp is trying to say things like "Kamala is Black because she went to Howard University".....<br><br>Um...<br><br>Rachel Dolezal went to Howard too <a href="https://t.co/MlXDJ4vMeP">pic.twitter.com/MlXDJ4vMeP</a></p>— Tariq Nasheed (@tariqnasheed) <a href="https://twitter.com/tariqnasheed/status/1088378954631639040?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 24, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[Irish YJ]

I think the Dem primary has awesome potential to be the biggest shit show ever. Can't wait till HRC announces she's in lol.

Ouch


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Kamala Harris has never identified herself with Black people, but now that she's running for president and she need the Black vote, her camp is trying to say things like "Kamala is Black because she went to Howard University".....<br><br>Um...<br><br>Rachel Dolezal went to Howard too <a href="https://t.co/MlXDJ4vMeP">pic.twitter.com/MlXDJ4vMeP</a></p>— Tariq Nasheed (@tariqnasheed) <a href="https://twitter.com/tariqnasheed/status/1088378954631639040?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 24, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[Irish YJ]

announcing early isn't working well for many dems... first you had the new blood in Hawaii, who was anti LGBT, then Pocahontas drinking beer during her interview, now Kam banging the mayor when he was married, and getting a few promotions because of it. i guess she couldn't #metoo as she got paid.....

too funny. CNN has been making a bunch of huuee out of their planned live interview tomorrow. that will be fun....

wonder why CNN isn't reporting this, or the TX voter fraud?


Extramarital affair with Kamala Harris? Former San Francisco mayor, 84, admits it happened
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fo...sses-past-relationship-with-sen-kamala-harris

Former San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown addressed his past extramarital relationship with U.S. Sen. Kamala Harris in his weekly column Saturday, saying he may have boosted the presidential hopeful's career.

"Yes, we dated. It was more than 20 years ago," Brown wrote in the San Francisco Chronicle.


"Yes, I may have influenced her career by appointing her to two state commissions when I was [California] Assembly speaker. And I certainly helped with her first race for district attorney in San Francisco."

 

[NorthDakota]

announcing early isn't working well for many dems... first you had the new blood in Hawaii, who was anti LGBT, then Pocahontas drinking beer during her interview, now Kam banging the mayor when he was married, and getting a few promotions because of it. i guess she couldn't #metoo as she got paid.....

too funny. CNN has been making a bunch of huuee out of their planned live interview tomorrow. that will be fun....

wonder why CNN isn't reporting this, or the TX voter fraud?


Extramarital affair with Kamala Harris? Former San Francisco mayor, 84, admits it happened
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fo...sses-past-relationship-with-sen-kamala-harris

Can't imagine that going over well in the Rust Belt lmao. Donald is a one of a kind...for better or worse...everyone already knew most of his faults when he announced. Harris would need the black vote and Catholics to overlook her blatantly obvious distaste for us.

Would be interesting to see how Catholics voted in a Donald vs. Harris showdown. She literally targeted an organization with close to over a million members in the United States. Not to mention those members likely have spouses...and children...and possibly grandchildren. Said demographic also typically votes 50/50ish in elections. Wouldn't be difficult to for those folks to justify either voting for Donald or staying at work/home that day.

Dont. (Clap) Blatantly. (Clap) Attack. (Clap) Catholics. (Clap) If. (Clap) You. (Clap) Want. (Clap) Win.

 

[EddytoNow]

Can't imagine that going over well in the Rust Belt lmao. Donald is a one of a kind...for better or worse...everyone already knew most of his faults when he announced. Harris would need the black vote and Catholics to overlook her blatantly obvious distaste for us.

Would be interesting to see how Catholics voted in a Donald vs. Harris showdown. She literally targeted an organization with close to over a million members in the United States. Not to mention those members likely have spouses...and children...and possibly grandchildren. Said demographic also typically votes 50/50ish in elections. Wouldn't be difficult to for those folks to justify either voting for Donald or staying at work/home that day.

Dont. (Clap) Blatantly. (Clap) Attack. (Clap) Catholics. (Clap) If. (Clap) You. (Clap) Want. (Clap) Win.

Although it's never smart to write off any voting block, Catholic voters haven't voted as a unified front in many years. A large percentage of the Hispanic population is Catholic, and I doubt they will be turning out for Trump.

Add in the fact that Catholic Church attendance has declined substantially and that the Catholic Church no longer wields the same amount of influence it once did and the threat of a Catholic backlash is minimal. Abortion remains a big issue with Catholics, but there are fewer and fewer Catholics who follow a strict Catholic line. For example, I wouldn't even venture to guess what percentage of Catholics practice some form of birth control, which is certainly frowned upon by the church.

Most Catholic Churches have reduced the number of Sunday services due to declining attendance and the few remaining services take place in half-empty churches. Most Catholics are more concerned with basic human rights, and that is an area where Trump has proven to be no friend to the poor, the sick, and the homeless. in short, Catholics will either stay home on election day 2020 or be divided in their loyalties.

 

[Irish YJ]

Although it's never smart to write off any voting block, Catholic voters haven't voted as a unified front in many years. A large percentage of the Hispanic population is Catholic, and I doubt they will be turning out for Trump.

Add in the fact that Catholic Church attendance has declined substantially and that the Catholic Church no longer wields the same amount of influence it once did and the threat of a Catholic backlash is minimal. Abortion remains a big issue with Catholics, but there are fewer and fewer Catholics who follow a strict Catholic line. For example, I wouldn't even venture to guess what percentage of Catholics practice some form of birth control, which is certainly frowned upon by the church.

Most Catholic Churches have reduced the number of Sunday services due to declining attendance and the few remaining services take place in half-empty churches. Most Catholics are more concerned with basic human rights, and that is an area where Trump has proven to be no friend to the poor, the sick, and the homeless. in short, Catholics will either stay home on election day 2020 or be divided in their loyalties.

but, practicing or non practicing, Catholics don't like being attacked for being Catholic. Attack the priesthood for ped stuff, that's fine, but they don't like being attacked for being "Catholic". I'll rant all day about the Vatican and the peds, but I'd be the first to defend an attack from any fake high ground politician.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Although it's never smart to write off any voting block, Catholic voters haven't voted as a unified front in many years. A large percentage of the Hispanic population is Catholic, and I doubt they will be turning out for Trump.

Add in the fact that Catholic Church attendance has declined substantially and that the Catholic Church no longer wields the same amount of influence it once did and the threat of a Catholic backlash is minimal. Abortion remains a big issue with Catholics, but there are fewer and fewer Catholics who follow a strict Catholic line. For example, I wouldn't even venture to guess what percentage of Catholics practice some form of birth control, which is certainly frowned upon by the church.

Most Catholic Churches have reduced the number of Sunday services due to declining attendance and the few remaining services take place in half-empty churches. Most Catholics are more concerned with basic human rights, and that is an area where Trump has proven to be no friend to the poor, the sick, and the homeless. in short, Catholics will either stay home on election day 2020 or be divided in their loyalties.

Hahahaha...yeah, all those people's circumstances hit rock bottom in the past 2 years because of Trump. You're delusional.

 

[Irish YJ]

Hahahaha...yeah, all those people's circumstances hit rock bottom in the past 2 years because of Trump. You're delusional.

Eddy thinks, that unless you're creating more poor, you're not a friend to the poor...

 

[NorthDakota]

Although it's never smart to write off any voting block, Catholic voters haven't voted as a unified front in many years. A large percentage of the Hispanic population is Catholic, and I doubt they will be turning out for Trump.

Add in the fact that Catholic Church attendance has declined substantially and that the Catholic Church no longer wields the same amount of influence it once did and the threat of a Catholic backlash is minimal. Abortion remains a big issue with Catholics, but there are fewer and fewer Catholics who follow a strict Catholic line. For example, I wouldn't even venture to guess what percentage of Catholics practice some form of birth control, which is certainly frowned upon by the church.

Most Catholic Churches have reduced the number of Sunday services due to declining attendance and the few remaining services take place in half-empty churches. Most Catholics are more concerned with basic human rights, and that is an area where Trump has proven to be no friend to the poor, the sick, and the homeless. in short, Catholics will either stay home on election day 2020 or be divided in their loyalties.

A recent CBS(I think CBS) poll had Don's approval rating with Hispanics at 50%. 20 points higher than the prior year.

Catholics staying home is possible, but attacking people for being Catholic and suggesting that they aren't fit to serve as judges is the sort of thing that people don't like. That's the sort of thing that stops Democrat Catholics from voting and encourages otherwise disinterested Catholics to vote against that candidate. It's one thing to attack the NRA, they are already voting against you. Attacking the single biggest swing voter bloc in the country as having "extreme" views is the sort of thing that can cost you elections.

Other Democrats are going to maul Harris on her stance on practicing Catholics being judges, and if she gets through the Primary, Republicans will probably bludgeon her with it too.

I wouldn't try to play the "Catholics care about human rights" card, considering New York's recent law.