2018 NFL Draft

[STLDomer]

Not sure how his high school recruitment rankings effects future NFL ability, especially it being presented has a negative in some way.

 

[arrowryan]

Not sure how his high school recruitment rankings effects future NFL ability, especially it being presented has a negative in some way.

Because I would think a 5 QB coming out of high school and potential #1 pick would have done better than 17-12 in college. He has underachieved in college and that wouldn't give me confidence when he goes into the NFL. The more I look at it, the more I think this could be Jimmy Clausen 2.0

 

[STLDomer]

Because I would think a 5 QB coming out of high school and potential #1 pick would have done better than 17-12 in college. He has underachieved in college and that wouldn't give me confidence when he goes into the NFL. The more I look at it, the more I think this could be Jimmy Clausen 2.0

That is grossly unfair. So only way you’d believe in Rosen as a NFL QB would be if he won the Heisman and UCLA competed for the playoff. That’s what I’m taking from this. Because if his 5 star ranking really matters that much than anything less would have been underachieving.

Also I don’t know any other prospect being held to their high school ranking as a standard.

 

[Legacy]

The Browns could trade up with their #5 and take two QBs. See who works out.

Or they could trade back the #1 and miss another Carson Wentz or DeShaun Watson.

Seriously, I hope they nail it, though John Dorsey is not the best drafter.

 

[Legacy]

Woeful Cleveland Browns contribute to man's death (Sandusky Register)

The obituary includes:

“(Paul) Stark passed away Dec. 27, 2017, of complications from a brief illness, exacerbated by the hopeless condition of the Cleveland Browns, at Stein Hospice, Sandusky.”

The write-up, however, referenced Stark’s undying loyalism to the team and offered some optimism for the Browns, maybe even predicting the team’s first victory this Sunday in hopes of avoiding a winless season.

“Paul passed just before the Browns were prepared to turn the corner, but had many well-earned blessings. Paul believed in paying it forward, and the goodwill he leaves behind will endure long after he's gone.”

 

[yankeehater]

Absolutely. But he also wasn't a 5 coming out of high school with all kinds of D1 offers and isn't a contender to be the #1 pick. But I still think he has the make up to be a good NFL QB. Especially on a cold weather team.

People say that Josh Rosen is by far the best QB in this class, but he still went 6-5 as a starter, threw 10 interceptions (thats a lot for a guy that supposedly can read NFL defenses), and has an injury history.

Heading into this NFL/NCAAF season, it seemed like this was gonna be the Year Of The QB for the NFL draft. After watching these guys, I think every QB will need a year to grow and learn. That won't happen, but thats what they need.

I would not consider Josh Allen a loser. WYO was 16-11 in his two seasons as a starter and both seasons they reached a bowl game. Considering WYO was 6-18 the previous two seasons that seems like he led a nice turnaround for the program.

 

[Irish#1]

Colts lose by winning. Giants win and all my Colts had to do was lose to move up to #2 in the draft, but no they decided to win. After the game Irsay gives Pagano the game ball and his pink slip. Weird.

 

[Corry]

My Jags aren’t picking in the top five. Woohoo. What a magical time to be alive.

 

[arrowryan]

My Jags aren’t picking in the top five. Woohoo. What a magical time to be alive.

Your Jags had a really good year and it'll be interesting to see what they do in the playoffs. I think they are a dark horse to represent the AFC in the Super Bowl. Their offensive identity and good defense could give New England a lot of trouble. If they could find a legit franchise QB, look out.

 

[arrowryan]

So Josh Rosen doesn't want to be a Brown. Could we have another Eli Manning/Phillip Rivers NFL Draft 2004 situation this year?

Bruins’ Rosen in a bit of a pickle if he doesn’t want to wear brown - The San Diego Union-Tribune

 

[ACamp1900]

My dream that surely won't happen...

Sign Cousins, draft Barkley and Fitzpatrick,... and be preparing for a home playoff game one year from now.

 

[zelezo vlk]

My dream that surely won't happen...

Sign Cousins, draft Barkley and Fitzpatrick,... and be preparing for a home playoff game one year from now.

Or y'all can trade for Alex Smith...

 

[ACamp1900]

Or y'all can trade for Alex Smith...

It would depend on what KC wants really... I'd rather just sign someone if possible.

 

[ACamp1900]

I think if they don't get a veteran they may trade up into the first to get Mayfield or Allen or who the hell else knows...

They desperately need a running back and I really want Fitzpatrick... obviously still a lot of time to sort all this out.

 

[Irish#1]

I think if they don't get a veteran they may trade up into the first to get Mayfield or Allen or who the hell else knows...

They desperately need a running back and I really want Fitzpatrick... obviously still a lot of time to sort all this out.

You don't want Mayfield. His play is too much like Manzel's. A lot of his production comes after the play has broken down. That doesn't work so well in the NFL, but it sounds like the type of move the Browns would make.

 

[ACamp1900]

You don't want Mayfield. His play is too much like Manzel's. A lot of his production comes after the play has broken down. That doesn't work so well in the NFL, but it sounds like the type of move the Browns would make.

Eh, I'd say his skill set translates better. He's a bit bigger, more accurate and with a better arm. He also hasn't had everything handed to him like JFF had...

I get the comparisons with attitude and such but I still like the comparison with Jamies Winston overall. JW is bigger than either but overall I'd say the ability and skill sets, the accuracy and even the goofball stuff reminds me more of Winston. What I mean is I can see a road where Baker Mayfield succeeds in the NFL (depending on your definition of succeed I suppose). I never, at any point ever, thought JFF had even a remote chance to make it in the NFL and it was a nightmare pick. Anyone who remembers that day remembers the fit I threw on here when we drafted him. I mean the dude potentially threw his entire team's season away signing autographs for money the dude didn't even need... I still can't wrap my mind around that mentality.

I wouldn't be overjoyed with Mayfield but I would be able to wait and see.

 

[STLDomer]

You don't want Mayfield. His play is too much like Manzel's. A lot of his production comes after the play has broken down. That doesn't work so well in the NFL, but it sounds like the type of move the Browns would make.

Anyone with PFF got the numbers on this? Fairly sure the last free PFF I saw on Mayfield had him as the highest completion % pretty much any way you slice it (in pocket, out of pocket, deep, short, pressured, etc) the last two years.

 

[STLDomer]

You don't want Mayfield. His play is too much like Manzel's. A lot of his production comes after the play has broken down. That doesn't work so well in the NFL, but it sounds like the type of move the Browns would make.

Anyone with PFF got the numbers on this? Fairly sure the last free PFF I saw on Mayfield had him as the highest completion % pretty much any way you slice it (in pocket, out of pocket, deep, short, pressured, etc) the last two years.

Finished the season:

1st - Adjusted Completion %
3rd - Passer Rating Under Pressure
1st - Passer Rating Clean
1st - Passer Rating Play Action
1st - Passer Rating Non-Play Action
1st - Passer Rating Throws > 2.5 secs
1st - Passer Rating Throws < 2.5 secs

While none of those are directly your metric, many of those directly relate.

 

[STLDomer]

Daron Payne and Quenton Nelson are the two guys I’ve watched play this year and been like yep, that’s an All-Pro. 100%.

 

[NDdomer2]

You don't want Mayfield. His play is too much like Manzel's. A lot of his production comes after the play has broken down. That doesn't work so well in the NFL, but it sounds like the type of move the Browns would make.

Johnny football was last qb to win a game for Cleveland, so maybe they do

 

[ACamp1900]

Johnny football was last qb to win a game for Cleveland, so maybe they do

Wrong

 

[GATTACA!]

Johnny football was last qb to win a game for Cleveland, so maybe they do

How dare you disrespect RGIII like that!

 

[Legacy]

If I'm KC, I'm looking to sign and trade Alex Smith for a few first rounders. Cleveland/Dorsey, interested?

 

[ACamp1900]

If I'm KC, I'm looking to sign and trade Alex Smith for a few first rounders. Cleveland, interested?

A few first rounders?? Man if anyone is willing to give a few 3rd and 4th rounders that be a steal for KC imo... I mean he's 33/34 and just a good QB.

If Cleveland deals for him I seriously doubt they get more than a few mid rounders or one second rounder or some such, a request for any first rounder is a non-starter for me.

 

[irish4ever]

If I'm KC, I'm looking to sign and trade Alex Smith for a few first rounders. Cleveland/Dorsey, interested?

For Smith .... hahahaha!?!? A couple mid-rounders maybe!

 

[NDdomer2]

Wrong

How dare you disrespect RGIII like that!

mea culpa, regardless dude isnt even in the league.

 

[Legacy]

A few first rounders?? Man if anyone is willing to give a few 3rd and 4th rounders that be a steal for KC imo... I mean he's 33/34 and just a good QB.

If Cleveland deals for him I seriously doubt they get more than a few mid rounders or one second rounder or some such, a request for any first rounder is a non-starter for me.

Looking at you, Jets. KC Got Mahomes for switching first rounders plus 2018 first round pick and giving up a 3rd rounder last year.

 

[ACamp1900]

Looking at you, Jets. KC Got Mahomes for switching first rounders plus 2018 first round pick and giving up a 3rd rounder last year.

I'm missing your point.. so teams give up first rounders for potential franchise QBs in the draft... they don't give up first rounders for soon to be 34 year old solid but not great QBs. Right??

 

[pkt77242]

I'm missing your point.. so teams give up first rounders for potential franchise QBs in the draft... they don't give up first rounders for so to be 34 year old solid but not great QBs. Right??

Depends. I could almost see a team like the Broncos who view their window as closing, trading a first rounder for Smith. Smith is ten times the QB that Osweiler/Dead arm Manning were when they won the Super Bowl. So if they feel that they are a good QB away, I could see it. I happen to think that their Dnhas slipped too much but it could make sense.


It could also make sense for the Jags.

 

[ACamp1900]

Depends. I could almost see a team like the Broncos who view their window as closing, trading a first rounder for Smith. Smith is ten times the QB that Osweiler/Dead arm Manning were when they won the Super Bowl. So if they feel that they are a good QB away, I could see it. I happen to think that their Dnhas slipped too much but it could make sense.


It could also make sense for the Jags.

In that scenario they trade ONE draft pick?? Then maybe... there is no outlier situation where anyone trades multiple first round picks for Smith at this point. That's not an attack on Smith, he's a solid QB.