[NFL] vBook: Colts vs Patriots (Deflategate)

[Irish#1]

Pretty common for famous people, business executives, corporations, etc.

You regularly hang with these types? lol

 

[Irish YJ]

I don't completely buy it (although I certainly want to believe it), but I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of celebrities do this. Justin Verlander of all people got hacked a year ago because he has a famous/attractive girlfriend. I wouldn't be shocked if getting a new phone every couple of months isn't a "celebrity trick" to avoid being hacked. Ed Werder from ESPN tweeted that he destroys his phones often, but keeps the sim cards. Who knows? A lawsuit/statement should be coming soon, so maybe that will shed some light.

As bad as it looks, it damages him more in the public eye than it does anything to his court case.

come on.
you don't destroy a phone to not get hacked. you change passwords, etc. to not get hacked. you destroy a phone to eliminate data. If you are a corporation, you can send to a recycling company that will shred the phone. if you are person, you can simply factory reset.... (my company does all types of recycling for routers, firewalls, HDs, card readers, etc.).

regardless, Tommy likely doesn't understand the interwebz very well it seems. Texts, call records, etc are all stored for xx number of years. I'm sure he's an apple guy, so all his pics and stuff are likely on apple servers forever... won't take very long to see all of his texts and call records.

 

[Irish YJ]

If he really was that concerned, he would have a professional destroy his phone. He wouldn't just break it and hope for the best. He would want to make sure it was correctly done and all information was wiped from the device and the cloud first.

It's a complete bullshat excuse. Plus, it would mean that he destroyed it AFTER the request was made for it.

yep.
simply taking a hammer to the phone wouldn't do much unless he cracked it open, then hammered the right components. we use a shredder for our clients. very few destroy phones. typically most CODs we provide are for hard drives, firewalls, routers, etc..

i'm sure pats fans are trying to buy all this bs... but at the end of the day, when they are alone, they know it's a huge crock of sheeite.

 

[Irish#1]

Destroying a phone isn't rocket science. Like IYJ said, do a full reset. If you're still paranoid take out the sim, cut it up and burn it. Then take a hammer to the phone.

I was visualizing Brady in his garage, phone laying on his working bench and Brady smacking his phone repeatedly with a ball peen hammer. Then I realized Brady probably doesn't even own a hammer, so he calls Angie's List and ask them to send over a carpenter with a big hammer.

 

[ACamp1900]

The image of Brady going all Dexter on his phone in his plastic wrap covered basement.....

 

[irishfan]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Tom Brady has authorized the NFLPA to appeal his case in federal court, per source.</p>— Jim Trotter (@JimTrotter_NFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/JimTrotter_NFL/status/626121824309522432">July 28, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Still predicting he plays all 16 games this season.

 

[Irish YJ]

Destroying a phone isn't rocket science. Like IYJ said, do a full reset. If you're still paranoid take out the sim, cut it up and burn it. Then take a hammer to the phone.

I was visualizing Brady in his garage, phone laying on his working bench and Brady smacking his phone repeatedly with a ball peen hammer. Then I realized Brady probably doesn't even own a hammer, so he calls Angie's List and ask them to send over a carpenter with a big hammer.

he's so metro, probably put it in his coffee bean grinder.

 

[arrowryan]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">My assistant Jack Daniels and I actually destroy a cell phone every four months or so. Usually just the screen but I get it.</p>— Chris Long (@JOEL9ONE) <a href="https://twitter.com/JOEL9ONE/status/626109975996297216">July 28, 2015</a></blockquote>
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[Irish YJ]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">My assistant Jack Daniels and I actually destroy a cell phone every four months or so. Usually just the screen but I get it.</p>— Chris Long (@JOEL9ONE) <a href="https://twitter.com/JOEL9ONE/status/626109975996297216">July 28, 2015</a></blockquote>
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If just the screen, he's a total idiot.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

If just the screen, he's a total idiot.

Um... Read it again.

 

[irishfan]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Statement from Tom Brady's agent, Don Yee:

"The Commissioner’s decision is deeply disappointing, but not... <a href="http://t.co/JUCiqZcL2c">http://t.co/JUCiqZcL2c</a></p>— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/626130270345895936">July 28, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Statement from Tom Brady's agent, Don Yee:
"The Commissioner’s decision is deeply disappointing, but not surprising because the appeal process was thoroughly lacking in procedural fairness.
Most importantly, neither Tom nor the Patriots did anything wrong. And the NFL has no evidence that anything inappropriate occurred.
The appeal process was a sham, resulting in the Commissioner rubber-stamping his own decision. For example, the Wells investigative team was given over 100 days to conduct its investigation. Just days prior to the appeal hearing, we were notified that we would only have four hours to present a defense; therefore, we didn’t have enough time to examine important witnesses. Likewise, it was represented to the public that the Wells team was ‘independent’; however, when we requested documents from Wells, our request was rejected on the basis of privilege. We therefore had no idea as to what Wells found from other witnesses, nor did we know what those other witnesses said.
These are just two examples of how the Commissioner failed to ensure a fair process.
Additionally, the science in the Wells Report was junk. It has been thoroughly discredited by independent third parties.
Finally, as to the issue of cooperation, we presented the Commissioner with an unprecedented amount of electronic data, all of which is incontrovertible. I do not think that any private citizen would have agreed to provide anyone with the amount of information that Tom was willing to reveal to the Commissioner. Tom was completely transparent. All of the electronic information was ignored; we don’t know why. The extent to which Tom opened up his private life to the Commissioner will become clear in the coming days.
The Commissioner’s decision and discipline has no precedent in all of NFL history. His decision alters the competitive balance of the upcoming season. The decision is wrong and has no basis, and it diminishes the integrity of the game.”

That last line made me smile.

Looking forward to hearing what info he was able to provide. There are two sides to every story.

 

[Irish Insanity]

How does the existence of electronic recyclers provide proof that it's "common" with celebrities.

Plus... Brady didn't use a service like this, correct? He destroyed the phone himself.

I read his assistant destroyed it.

The other thing I read is that he "routinely destroys his phones," and yet he still has his 2nd to last phone from before the investigation and the destruction of his newer phone.

Exactly.

The one article I read had like 5 reasons he was filing in court. Including that the rule was in place for stadium employees not the players therefore he's not subject to the rule. Lol.

 

[gkIrish]

I've said it before...if the suspension was upheld that probably means they have him dead to rights in some way.

As poorly as the NFL has handled some previous incidents, can they be so incompetent that they would ban Tom Brady 4 games based on nothing. Brady's agent is literally claiming he did nothing wrong. How can that possibly be true?

I think Brady is just doubling down on what he believes to be a lack of evidence that would support a decision against him in Federal court. I'm very curious to see what happens.

 

[Irish Insanity]

My local radio show is claiming the word 'destroyed' in this situation is simply meaning he wiped it clean.

I don't think they have him dead to rights for cheating. I think they're banking on his lack of cooperation being worthy of the suspension.

 

[ACamp1900]

Does anyone actually believe Brady did NOTHING wrong?? Serious question, I'm curious if anyone is actually in that camp...

 

[irishfan]

I've said it before...if the suspension was upheld that probably means they have him dead to rights in some way.

As poorly as the NFL has handled some previous incidents, can they be so incompetent that they would ban Tom Brady 4 games based on nothing. Brady's agent is literally claiming he did nothing wrong. How can that possibly be true?

I think Brady is just doubling down on what he believes to be a lack of evidence that would support a decision against him in Federal court. I'm very curious to see what happens.

Based on what is out there now, I don't think they have him dead to rights just because there are a lot of areas of the CBA that Brady can use to argue that the process was "arbitrary and capricious." He is still arguing the process and nothing more, so he has a good shot despite the phone-destroying thing which makes no sense to me since he supposedly would never have had to hand it over anyway.

McCann, the legal expert at SI, has stated he thinks Brady will probably win in court, but that it will be close. I think the NFL just upheld the full 4 games as a "screw you" since the NFLPA said they would go to court even for a 1-game suspension. No reason to reduce it to 1-2 games and then be taken to court anyway. The NFL and NFLPA had been talking this week about a deal, so I really don't think they feel 100% confident this will get done.

They've already filed this in New York since they don't want the case being heard in Minnesota or Massachusetts, so they certainly aren't acting like they have him dead to rights.

 

[irishfan]

Does anyone actually believe Brady did NOTHING wrong?? Serious question, I'm curious if anyone is actually in that camp...

There was a lot of sketchy stuff going on, but based on the Wells Report alone, I don't think how anyone without bias could decide one way or another if Brady did anything wrong.

Science-wise, it is a bit of a sham. I mean the footballs didn't even measure out of the norm according the the Ideal Gas Law which they cite. They take the ref's word for pre-game measurements that weren't recorded then decide he was mistaken about which gauge he used since the measurements didn't fit the guilty narrative. Not only should the "findings" have been thrown out once it was realized there were no pre-game measurements, but I don't even get how it can be taken seriously when Wells clearly picks and chooses what to take as fact and what to ignore.

Going to the bathroom with the footballs pre-game is really bad. It would warrant a huge penalty if the footballs had measured too low at halftime, but they didn't. It's a very bad breach of protocol, but when you can't prove it led to anything, I don't see how that can be more than a fine or a loss of a low draft pick. The texts kind of fall in the same category for me. Very suspicious, but a lot of picking and choosing by Wells which texts to highlight and which to brush over. I mean there's texts from Week 6 where the equipment guys even state the footballs are supposed to be at 12.5. There are literally texts that show that Brady wants the balls pumped to a legal level and no texts that show he doesn't, but somehow that wasn't seen as evidence.

I understand people thinking he's guilty and since it's the sketchy Patriots they must be guilty, but based on the Wells Report alone, there is really no evidence to support that the footballs were deflated for the AFC Championship which is what he was found guilty of. It's amusing to me that a "deflator" text from months before the season carries more weight than the actual measurement of the footballs or a text from in-season that says the footballs are supposed to be 12.5.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

According to the Rotoworld blurb, the phone was destroyed the day of his meeting with Wells.

 

[NDRock]

Does anyone actually believe Brady did NOTHING wrong?? Serious question, I'm curious if anyone is actually in that camp...

I'm not a Pat's fan and I'm sure Brady told the equipment guys to get the ball as low as possible. That said, 4 games seems crazy when you consider they caught another team microwaving balls and no players got suspended.

As an impartial observer, I've always felt the Colts were whiners and tried to get the rules changed when the Pats would beat them.

 

[wizards8507]

Does anyone actually believe Brady did NOTHING wrong?? Serious question, I'm curious if anyone is actually in that camp...

I'm in the "we still don't know shit" camp. My best guess is that he told the dudes he likes the ball as soft as possible. Then it's on the equipment guys to make sure that means "as soft as LEGALLY possible." It sounds like Brady may have been unhappy when the referees over inflated balls in one game so the equipment guys went rogue and started letting air out, assuming the officials would later add air and bring the balls within range.

I'd also estimate that 97% of PSI checks from the officials are a "squeeze test" rather than an actual pressure gauge. If Brady was a habitual cheater who flat-out INSTRUCTED equipment managers to cheat on his behalf, this would have come out years ago.

There's also the extremely sketchy situation of the two different pressure gauges used, one of which also showed the COLTS' balls were under-inflated.

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[Irish#1]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Statement from Tom Brady's agent, Don Yee:

"The Commissioner’s decision is deeply disappointing, but not... <a href="http://t.co/JUCiqZcL2c">http://t.co/JUCiqZcL2c</a></p>— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/626130270345895936">July 28, 2015</a></blockquote>
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That last line made me smile.

Looking forward to hearing what info he was able to provide. There are two sides to every story.

I would have been shocked if his lawyer had said anything else.

 

[Irish Insanity]

According to the NFL, Brady did not destroy the phone used before the one that was destroyed and even made it available to investigators. Brady used this phone from the spring of 2014 to November 6, 2014, but it was still around when forensic expert Brad Maryman examined Brady's electronic data in the spring of 2015.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/theres-hole-tom-bradys-excuse-200246103.html

It appears not only was it not normal practice to destroy his old phone, he made his older one available to the investigator

 

[Irish YJ]

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/theres-hole-tom-bradys-excuse-200246103.html

It appears not only was it not normal practice to destroy his old phone, he made his older one available to the investigator

Tricky Tom!

Is anyone else tired of hearing the new buzz word "optics" on ESPN..

The optics don't look good on Brady... heard that 100 times in the last two days.

 

[Irish YJ]

According to the Rotoworld blurb, the phone was destroyed the day of his meeting with Wells.

MIN change is easily identified. If they subpoena the records, they can see exactly when the phones were switched.

 

[irishfan]

Tricky Tom!

Is anyone else tired of hearing the new buzz word "optics" on ESPN..

The optics don't look good on Brady... heard that 100 times in the last two days.

It was "compartmentalize" after they heard Jimbo say it once about Winston. I must have heard that word daily on ESPN for the next 2 months.

 

[ohara831]

With his destroying the phone, public sentiment is going to be much more even. Brady is going to lose a lot a public backing with people knowing he destroyed evidence. That is also going to hurt him in the eyes of a Court. Courts do not look kindly to a Party bringing an action to come to Court with "dirty hands", especially if it involves destruction of evidence the other side was seeking.

 

[ACamp1900]

With his destroying the phone, public sentiment is going to be much more even. Brady is going to lose a lot a public backing with people knowing he destroyed evidence. That is also going to hurt him in the eyes of a Court. Courts do not look kindly to a Party bringing an action to come to Court with "dirty hands", especially if it involves destruction of evidence the other side was seeking.

Much more even... Meaning most people are on Brady's side here? That hasn't been my assessment at all...

 

[Irish#1]

Heard he destroyed it right after meeting with Goodell? Lawyer probably advised him to do that.

 

[Irish YJ]

Much more even... Meaning most people are on Brady's side here? That hasn't been my assessment at all...

mine either. I'm a colts fan, but live in Falcon country. most people think the pats and brady are dirty birds

unless he is totally cleared, he's just hurting himself. his best bet would have been to accept the lesser penalty (if truly offered), and then claim to have done it for the team, so that people could move on from the distraction...

 

[irishfan]

With his destroying the phone, public sentiment is going to be much more even. Brady is going to lose a lot a public backing with people knowing he destroyed evidence. That is also going to hurt him in the eyes of a Court. Courts do not look kindly to a Party bringing an action to come to Court with "dirty hands", especially if it involves destruction of evidence the other side was seeking.

Good article about this very point here:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">For the NFL, "Brady destroyed his cell phone" sounds better than "Brady offered to help gather missing text messages" <a href="http://t.co/zE6SVklCch">http://t.co/zE6SVklCch</a></p>— ProFootballTalk (@ProFootballTalk) <a href="https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/626224691179593728">July 29, 2015</a></blockquote>
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