2017 NFL Mock Draft
- Thread starter Me2SouthBend
- Start date
- Messages
- 19,128
- Reaction score
- 11,077
With the 41st pick of the 2017 IE Mock Draft, the Cincinnati Bengals select:
Adoree' Jackson, CB, USC
This is a little bit of a reach here, but we don't like any of the WR's still available for this spot. Curtis Samuel is ranked highly, but he's the same player as Tyler Boyd, who the Bengals grabbed last year. They want a ready-made outside receiver to go opposite AJ Green, and it's a big reach for any of those at this point.
We thought about Evan Engram, but if we were going to grab a pass-catching TE, it was going to be Njoku, but he was stolen out from under us.
That leaves us to look at the next big need, which is CB. The Bengals actually have great numbers at CB with Adam Jones, Dre Kirkpatrick, Darquez Dennard, William Jackson III, and KeiVarae Russell... But only Kirkpatrick and Jackson III have sure futures in Cincy. Jones is old (and super fucking dumb) and Dennard hasn't developed like they thought he would (though he's got time to prove himself this season). They have high hopes for how Russell played to end last season, but he's no sure-thing, either.
That makes grabbing a 6th CB reasonable here, as long as there is some added versatility... which Jackson has is spades, as a return man on both kicks and punts.
This pick addresses a CB need a year early, but it makes sense for the value and versatility, even though other teams might see it as a reach.
In 2018, the Bengals could be rolling out Kirkpatrick, Jackson III, and Jackson as their top-3 CB's, with Russell as a special-teamer and quality Dime corner. That's one enforcer, one lock-down guy, and two athletic freaks. That's a nice mix.
Adoree' Jackson, CB, USC
This is a little bit of a reach here, but we don't like any of the WR's still available for this spot. Curtis Samuel is ranked highly, but he's the same player as Tyler Boyd, who the Bengals grabbed last year. They want a ready-made outside receiver to go opposite AJ Green, and it's a big reach for any of those at this point.
We thought about Evan Engram, but if we were going to grab a pass-catching TE, it was going to be Njoku, but he was stolen out from under us.
That leaves us to look at the next big need, which is CB. The Bengals actually have great numbers at CB with Adam Jones, Dre Kirkpatrick, Darquez Dennard, William Jackson III, and KeiVarae Russell... But only Kirkpatrick and Jackson III have sure futures in Cincy. Jones is old (and super fucking dumb) and Dennard hasn't developed like they thought he would (though he's got time to prove himself this season). They have high hopes for how Russell played to end last season, but he's no sure-thing, either.
That makes grabbing a 6th CB reasonable here, as long as there is some added versatility... which Jackson has is spades, as a return man on both kicks and punts.
This pick addresses a CB need a year early, but it makes sense for the value and versatility, even though other teams might see it as a reach.
In 2018, the Bengals could be rolling out Kirkpatrick, Jackson III, and Jackson as their top-3 CB's, with Russell as a special-teamer and quality Dime corner. That's one enforcer, one lock-down guy, and two athletic freaks. That's a nice mix.
Last edited:
With the 42st pick in the Irish Envy Mock Draft, the Saints select Sidney Jones, CB, from Washington.
The Saints had huge needs at Cornerback going into the draft as noted in the 32nd pick. They have balked at the asking price for Malcolm Butler with an offer sheet by New England that would surrender their 11th pick. This still could happen though. Seattle’s Richard Sherman is a possibility, but there are mixed signals there. Having addressed Cornerback with the 32nd pick from New England for Brandin Cooks with the pick of LSU’s Tre’Davious White as well as their Edge needs with the pick of Derek Barnett with that eleventh pick, the Saints have needs at LB, WR and, in later rounds, may also address depth at S, RB, interior DL, TE and the QB of the future.
Jones was at the top of our Board for CB - and many others - before his Achilles tear. His skills, the type of tear and recovery time, his attitude (“I’m going to be better than I was.”) and commitment factored into the decision. Jones has no character difficulties. We believe Jones may even be back for the start of the season and could sit and watch, if necessary, to learn any other NFL-level skills, the types of schemes the Saints use, the WRs in the division and what will be asked of him. He is a pure cover corner, who will lock down the opponent’s top WR. He has been compared to his former teammate, Marcus Peters, without the baggage.
Of the six CBs currently on the Saints roster, two (Delvin Breux, Sterling Moore) are signed through 2017 and the other four (Damian Swann, P.J. Williams, Ken Crawley, and DeVante Harris) are signed through 2018. B.W. Webb was released. Due to injuries, Swann, Breaux, and Williams started only ten games between them and played in only fifteen. Will they all be back? Was last year the year backups experienced playing time? As far as cap impact, of those six CBs, three are on contracts at the minimum salaries with no dead money and another is signed through 2017 with only a $200,000 of dead money if released this year. With this pick, the Saints can pick and choose which other current CBs to extend or release. Coby Fleener’s contract through 2020 takes up considerable cap space, but the dead money decreases from $12.2 million to a manageable $4.8 million next year, and creating $3.2 million in cap space if he is released or traded. So, a Tight End was considered for this pick as was Quincy Wilson and Zach Cunningham. In the end, Sidney Jones was a talent too good to pass up.
Washington CB Sidney Jones: "I'm going to be back better than I was."
I have really enjoyed the write ups today.
Who'll take the Eagles?
1st Roun Pick - 1(11) Derek Barnett, DE
The Saints had huge needs at Cornerback going into the draft as noted in the 32nd pick. They have balked at the asking price for Malcolm Butler with an offer sheet by New England that would surrender their 11th pick. This still could happen though. Seattle’s Richard Sherman is a possibility, but there are mixed signals there. Having addressed Cornerback with the 32nd pick from New England for Brandin Cooks with the pick of LSU’s Tre’Davious White as well as their Edge needs with the pick of Derek Barnett with that eleventh pick, the Saints have needs at LB, WR and, in later rounds, may also address depth at S, RB, interior DL, TE and the QB of the future.
Jones was at the top of our Board for CB - and many others - before his Achilles tear. His skills, the type of tear and recovery time, his attitude (“I’m going to be better than I was.”) and commitment factored into the decision. Jones has no character difficulties. We believe Jones may even be back for the start of the season and could sit and watch, if necessary, to learn any other NFL-level skills, the types of schemes the Saints use, the WRs in the division and what will be asked of him. He is a pure cover corner, who will lock down the opponent’s top WR. He has been compared to his former teammate, Marcus Peters, without the baggage.
Of the six CBs currently on the Saints roster, two (Delvin Breux, Sterling Moore) are signed through 2017 and the other four (Damian Swann, P.J. Williams, Ken Crawley, and DeVante Harris) are signed through 2018. B.W. Webb was released. Due to injuries, Swann, Breaux, and Williams started only ten games between them and played in only fifteen. Will they all be back? Was last year the year backups experienced playing time? As far as cap impact, of those six CBs, three are on contracts at the minimum salaries with no dead money and another is signed through 2017 with only a $200,000 of dead money if released this year. With this pick, the Saints can pick and choose which other current CBs to extend or release. Coby Fleener’s contract through 2020 takes up considerable cap space, but the dead money decreases from $12.2 million to a manageable $4.8 million next year, and creating $3.2 million in cap space if he is released or traded. So, a Tight End was considered for this pick as was Quincy Wilson and Zach Cunningham. In the end, Sidney Jones was a talent too good to pass up.
Washington CB Sidney Jones: "I'm going to be back better than I was."
I have really enjoyed the write ups today.
Who'll take the Eagles?
1st Roun Pick - 1(11) Derek Barnett, DE
Last edited:
Me2SouthBend
Well-known member
- Messages
- 2,638
- Reaction score
- 3,206
Love the progress here, I've been in a meeting since 8:00 this morning and just getting caught up. Thanks to Irish Lion I presume for updating the OP. Keep it going, I have another meeting and dinner to get to.
No Philly fans out there? Biģest needs were CB for the worst Passing Offense in the NFL and RB since Ryan Matthews is not expected back after a hrniated disc in his neck leaving only 36 year old Darren Sproles. Or Best Player Available? No one with snowballs? Skip?
First pick: Marlon Humphrey.
First pick: Marlon Humphrey.
Last edited:
Me2SouthBend
Well-known member
- Messages
- 2,638
- Reaction score
- 3,206
Bump. Anyone that wants to be a GM, now's your chance.
Me2SouthBend
Well-known member
- Messages
- 2,638
- Reaction score
- 3,206
Sure. If you want to make a pick feel free. Otherwise this thread will drift into the abyss.
With the 43rd pick in the IE Mock Draft, the Philadelphia Eagles select Alvin Kamara, RB, from Tennessee.
The Eagles addressed their CB need in the first round with the pick of Marlon Humphrey. They also have needs at RB and LB, after free agent signings. Switching to a 3-4, a couple of DEs may move to OLB spots, lessening the immediate LB need to draft a starter. As for RB, Ryan Matthews, their leading RB, may not return due to a herniated neck disc. His backup is 36 year old Darren Spoles. Matthews accounted for almost half the Eagles rushing yardage per game. Kamara fills a primary need, is an accomplished runner who can catch passes even lining up as a slot receiver at Tennessee.
What do you think, Eagles' fans?
1st Round Pick - 1(16) Marlon Humphrey, CB
Buffalo is on the clock.
The Eagles addressed their CB need in the first round with the pick of Marlon Humphrey. They also have needs at RB and LB, after free agent signings. Switching to a 3-4, a couple of DEs may move to OLB spots, lessening the immediate LB need to draft a starter. As for RB, Ryan Matthews, their leading RB, may not return due to a herniated neck disc. His backup is 36 year old Darren Spoles. Matthews accounted for almost half the Eagles rushing yardage per game. Kamara fills a primary need, is an accomplished runner who can catch passes even lining up as a slot receiver at Tennessee.
What do you think, Eagles' fans?
1st Round Pick - 1(16) Marlon Humphrey, CB
Buffalo is on the clock.
Last edited:
zelezo vlk
Well-known member
- Messages
- 18,014
- Reaction score
- 5,055
Alright guys, let's keep this rolling. I think GB is up
Best Players Available (per NFL Draft tracker grades)
Tak McKinley, Edge - 6.2
Caleb Brantley, DT - 6.1
Evan Engram, TE - 6.0
Zach Cunningham, LB - 5.9
Gerald Everett, TE - 5.9
JuJu Smith-Schuster, WR - 5.8
Josh Jones, S - 5.8
Patrick Mahomes, QB - 5.8
Tyus Bowser, OLB - 5.8
Pat Elflein, C - 5.8
Marcus Maye, S - 5.8
Ryan Anderson, OLB - 5.8
Others:
Best Available (continued)
Tak McKinley, Edge - 6.2
Caleb Brantley, DT - 6.1
Evan Engram, TE - 6.0
Zach Cunningham, LB - 5.9
Gerald Everett, TE - 5.9
JuJu Smith-Schuster, WR - 5.8
Josh Jones, S - 5.8
Patrick Mahomes, QB - 5.8
Tyus Bowser, OLB - 5.8
Pat Elflein, C - 5.8
Marcus Maye, S - 5.8
Ryan Anderson, OLB - 5.8
Others:
Best Available (continued)
dublinirish
Everestt Gholstonson
- Messages
- 27,335
- Reaction score
- 13,096
in the interest of moving things forward i think whoever is free should just make the pick
The Bills have high priority needs at CB and S.
Quincy Wilson, CB, who may also end up playing S and who would fit in their Cover 3 scheme, is the best pick.
(From here on out, I am just checking in to see how this is going.)
1st Round Pick - 1(10) Ruben Foster, LB
Quincy Wilson, CB, who may also end up playing S and who would fit in their Cover 3 scheme, is the best pick.
(From here on out, I am just checking in to see how this is going.)
1st Round Pick - 1(10) Ruben Foster, LB
Last edited:
- Messages
- 19,128
- Reaction score
- 11,077
so, the Buffalo Bills select:
Quincy Wilson, CB, Florida
As Legacy mentioned, the Bills have needs at CB and Safety.
If Wilson has the necessary athleticism to play corner in the NFL, then he'll be a great option as a Nickel. If not, he's a great option as a safety. Nice, well-rounded value pick that will address a need regardless of where he ends up.
- Messages
- 19,128
- Reaction score
- 11,077
With the 45th pick in the 2017 IE Mock Draft, the Arizona Cardinals select:
JuJu Smith-Schuster, WR, USC
The Cardinals addressed QB in round one, and now they've got a big-time target for their QB of the future.
Smith-Schuster doesn't have the top-end speed to be a bona fide no.1 if he's playing opposite another possession receiver, so he needs the right situation to shine... and the Cardinals present the PERFECT situation. They have several burners at WR, and adding Smith-Schuster allows the WR from USC to act as the enforcer of the WR corps, winning with physicality and snatching 50/50 balls away from overmatched CB's while the opposition worries about the speed that's on the opposite side of the field (or in the slot).
Smith-Schuster also has the ability to play the slot in the NFL, as he's not afraid to go over the middle and challenge the defense. He ain't scurred, and can win with size and strength after the catch.
JuJu Smith-Schuster, WR, USC
The Cardinals addressed QB in round one, and now they've got a big-time target for their QB of the future.
Smith-Schuster doesn't have the top-end speed to be a bona fide no.1 if he's playing opposite another possession receiver, so he needs the right situation to shine... and the Cardinals present the PERFECT situation. They have several burners at WR, and adding Smith-Schuster allows the WR from USC to act as the enforcer of the WR corps, winning with physicality and snatching 50/50 balls away from overmatched CB's while the opposition worries about the speed that's on the opposite side of the field (or in the slot).
Smith-Schuster also has the ability to play the slot in the NFL, as he's not afraid to go over the middle and challenge the defense. He ain't scurred, and can win with size and strength after the catch.
Me2SouthBend
Well-known member
- Messages
- 2,638
- Reaction score
- 3,206
Lion, thanks for updating the OP. Keep the train a rollin. Any Colts fans out there? At some point they need an upgrade on their D or they will never be a serious threat to anyone.
dublinirish
Everestt Gholstonson
- Messages
- 27,335
- Reaction score
- 13,096
everybody just go ahead and make the pick if you are free. need to keep this rolling. we got to the 4th round in previous years pretty quickly
gkIrish
Greek God
- Messages
- 13,184
- Reaction score
- 1,004
Just some support for my Watson pick..
What to make of Jerry Reese and the Giants' pre-draft interest in QBs - New York Giants Blog- ESPN
What to make of Jerry Reese and the Giants' pre-draft interest in QBs - New York Giants Blog- ESPN
woolybug25
#1 Vineyard Vines Fan
- Messages
- 17,677
- Reaction score
- 3,018
Move this forward. Somebody take Indy and somebody else take Baltimore and make a pick.
2017 NFL Draft order and needs: Nos. 11-20
Round 1 picks:
Indy - Cam Robinsin, OT
Baltimore - Dalvin Cook, RB
2017 NFL Draft order and needs: Nos. 11-20
Round 1 picks:
Indy - Cam Robinsin, OT
Baltimore - Dalvin Cook, RB
Last edited:
For those who want to redraft
For those who want to redraft
The order reflects no draft day trades. What could have been....
1 Cleveland - Miles Garrett
2 SF
3 Chicago
4 Jax
5 Tenn
6 NYJ
7 LAC
8 Carolina
9 Cincy
10 Buff
11 New Orleans
12 Cleveland
13 Arizona
14 Phila
15 Indy
16 Balt
17 Wash
18 Tenn
19 TB
20 Denver
21 Detroit
22 Miami
23 NYG
24 Oak
25 Houston
26 Seattle
27 KC
28 Dallas
29 Green Bay
30 Pitts
31 Atlanta
32 New Orleans
Cleveland selects Miles Garrett. SF is on the clock.
IE Mock Draft Picks-- Team GM
1) Cleveland Browns - ACamp1900 - DE Myles Garrett from Texas A&M.
2) San Fransico 49ers. - ArmyIrish47 - Solomon Thomas DE Stanford
3) Chicago Bears - W'oolybug25 - Jamal Adams (LSU) - Safety
4) Jacksonville Jaguars - Corry - Leonard Fournette RB LSU
5) Tennessee Titans - ndfb3.1 - Marshon Lattimore CB Ohio State
6) Cleveland Browns - A Pac - Malik Hooker, Safety Ohio State University
7) LA Chargers. - Sherm Sticky. - Jabril Peppers Safety Meatchicken
8) Carolina Panthers - Legacy - Mike Williams WR Clemson
9) Cincinnati Bengals - IrishLion - Jonathan Allen, DL, Alabama
10) Buffalo Bills - GBDomer - Ruben Foster, LB Alabama
11) New Orleans Saints - Legacy - Derek Barnett, DE Tennessee
12) NY Jets - NDdomer2 - Mitch Trubisky, Quarterback, University of North Carolina
13) Arizona Cardinals. - pkt77242 - Deshone Kizer, QB Notre Dame
14) Indianapolis Colts. - Bkess8 - Cam Robinson OT University of Alabama
15) Baltimore Ravens - Irishff1014 - Dalvin Cook RB Free Seafood U
16) Philadelphia Eagles - ND Philly - Marlon Humphrey DB Alabama
17) Washington Redskins - Irish Man3 - Haasan Reddick LB Temple
18) Tennessee Titans - ndfb3.1 - Corey Davis, WR, Western Michigan
19) Tampa Bay Buccaneers - BlueNDGold44 - OJ Howard TE Alabama
20) Denver Broncos - Irish Lion - Ryan Ramczyk, OT, Wisconsin
21) Detroit Lions - lcaps - Taco Charlton DE Meatchicken
22) Miami Dolphins - MGriff. - Forrest Lamp OG Western Kentucky
23) NY Giants - gkirish - Deshaun Watson QB Clemson
24) Oakland Raiders - Arrowryan - Jarrad Davis, LB Florida
25) Houston Texans - Calabrese's People - Chidobe Awuzie CB Colorado
26) Seattle Seahawks - Sherm Sticky - Garett Bolles OT/OG Utah
27) Kansas City Chiefs - WoolyBug25 - Christian McCaffrey - RB, Stanford
28) Dallas Cowboys - Bleed Blue and Gold - Charles Harris DE Missouri
29) Green Bay Packers - DublinIrish - Gareon Conley, CB Ohio State
30) Pittsburgh Steelers - North Dakota - Tim Williams OLB Alabama
31) Atlanta Falcons - GB Domer - Kevin King CB Washington
32) New Orleans Saints - Legacy - Tre'Davious White CB LSU
For those who want to redraft
The order reflects no draft day trades. What could have been....
1 Cleveland - Miles Garrett
2 SF
3 Chicago
4 Jax
5 Tenn
6 NYJ
7 LAC
8 Carolina
9 Cincy
10 Buff
11 New Orleans
12 Cleveland
13 Arizona
14 Phila
15 Indy
16 Balt
17 Wash
18 Tenn
19 TB
20 Denver
21 Detroit
22 Miami
23 NYG
24 Oak
25 Houston
26 Seattle
27 KC
28 Dallas
29 Green Bay
30 Pitts
31 Atlanta
32 New Orleans
Cleveland selects Miles Garrett. SF is on the clock.
IE Mock Draft Picks-- Team GM
1) Cleveland Browns - ACamp1900 - DE Myles Garrett from Texas A&M.
2) San Fransico 49ers. - ArmyIrish47 - Solomon Thomas DE Stanford
3) Chicago Bears - W'oolybug25 - Jamal Adams (LSU) - Safety
4) Jacksonville Jaguars - Corry - Leonard Fournette RB LSU
5) Tennessee Titans - ndfb3.1 - Marshon Lattimore CB Ohio State
6) Cleveland Browns - A Pac - Malik Hooker, Safety Ohio State University
7) LA Chargers. - Sherm Sticky. - Jabril Peppers Safety Meatchicken
8) Carolina Panthers - Legacy - Mike Williams WR Clemson
9) Cincinnati Bengals - IrishLion - Jonathan Allen, DL, Alabama
10) Buffalo Bills - GBDomer - Ruben Foster, LB Alabama
11) New Orleans Saints - Legacy - Derek Barnett, DE Tennessee
12) NY Jets - NDdomer2 - Mitch Trubisky, Quarterback, University of North Carolina
13) Arizona Cardinals. - pkt77242 - Deshone Kizer, QB Notre Dame
14) Indianapolis Colts. - Bkess8 - Cam Robinson OT University of Alabama
15) Baltimore Ravens - Irishff1014 - Dalvin Cook RB Free Seafood U
16) Philadelphia Eagles - ND Philly - Marlon Humphrey DB Alabama
17) Washington Redskins - Irish Man3 - Haasan Reddick LB Temple
18) Tennessee Titans - ndfb3.1 - Corey Davis, WR, Western Michigan
19) Tampa Bay Buccaneers - BlueNDGold44 - OJ Howard TE Alabama
20) Denver Broncos - Irish Lion - Ryan Ramczyk, OT, Wisconsin
21) Detroit Lions - lcaps - Taco Charlton DE Meatchicken
22) Miami Dolphins - MGriff. - Forrest Lamp OG Western Kentucky
23) NY Giants - gkirish - Deshaun Watson QB Clemson
24) Oakland Raiders - Arrowryan - Jarrad Davis, LB Florida
25) Houston Texans - Calabrese's People - Chidobe Awuzie CB Colorado
26) Seattle Seahawks - Sherm Sticky - Garett Bolles OT/OG Utah
27) Kansas City Chiefs - WoolyBug25 - Christian McCaffrey - RB, Stanford
28) Dallas Cowboys - Bleed Blue and Gold - Charles Harris DE Missouri
29) Green Bay Packers - DublinIrish - Gareon Conley, CB Ohio State
30) Pittsburgh Steelers - North Dakota - Tim Williams OLB Alabama
31) Atlanta Falcons - GB Domer - Kevin King CB Washington
32) New Orleans Saints - Legacy - Tre'Davious White CB LSU
Last edited:
