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No, it's 4 deep.
2017-2018 Notre Dame Men's Basketball
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No, it's 4 deep.
FightingIrishLover7
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Crazy Balki
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You don't think any of Mooney, Torres, Djogo, Harvey, Burns and Geben will be major contributors?
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Torres will be what he has been. He isn't improving much. He'll give some solid minutes, maybe an energy play or two, but he lacks true basketball ability to get better. Geben is slowwwww and cumbersome. Sometimes he can clean up to boards and it's nice to see a big guy protect the rim for us, but he can't be asked to be a major contributor.
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That's not the point. You don't measure "depth" based on bodies you can throw out on the court. If that were the case for football, we'd be "deep" on the DL with 4+ guys per position.
No. You measure depth by the number of quality contributors that have proven they can be effective as more than a bit player. Geben and Torres have proven to not be consistent, starter caliber players. Harvey hasn't even had a college practice. Djogo and Burns did nothing this year.
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You've got ND depth all wrong bro....
Should have seen this coming.
When we started playing more zone, Ryan started to look more comfortable. Came in and hit some shots. Played hard. Rebounded. Then would get pulled, not to be heard from again the entire game. Personally, I thought he was a really good zone wing defender. Didn't just stand along the baseline.
Meanwhile, VJ would have some really, REALLY off games. Would be very iffy effort wise on the boards and defense. I know it's Brey's style to play the old guys who he trusts, but I'm sure the conversations were had that, "You improve X,Y, and Z, you'll play more", and when you do, even incrementally, it has to be frustrating to watch someone make the same mistakes that got you benched play 30+ minutes.
I really hope he pulls a Luatua and stays.
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I don't think I agree with that. Brey's track record for player development and getting players to step into roles is fairly sufficient. I do agree with Geben and Torres. I do think will need to wait and see on Burns, Mooney, Djogo and Harvey. You may be selling them a bit short, because I don't see Ryan leaving ND if he felt his starting spot was safe. That has me thinking that either Mooney or Burns have made strides.
Then, by your definition, the basketball team has never been deep. They've always been a 7-8 man team. To think that someone like Mooney, Burns, Djogo, etc. to not make a jump and be a contributor is a mistake, IMO. Brey ALWAYS gets someone new to surprise every year: Ferrell in 2017, Bonzie in 2016, Demetrius in 2015, Jerian Grant, Jack Cooly, etc.
Even without Matt Ryan, I still see next year's team being pretty damn good.
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Not to be a dick, but I never said someone "couldn't" make the jump. Same reason someone like Mich Dew-Treadway could make the jump on the DL this year and be a good player. But no one would look at the DL right now and be like "wow! we're so deep!"... no, they're hoping and praying for Pagano to transfer in.
You don't KNOW about Harvey (not even seen a college practice), Djogo (seen zero live minutes), Mooney/Burns (90 combined scrub minutes between the two) are capable of doing anything. To count them as "depth" right now makes no sense. Likewise, we know that neither Geben or Torres is capable of being a consistent heavy minutes starter caliber player because Geben struggled in that role this year when given the opportunity and Torres is always going to be limited.
"Farrell in 2017" doesn't even fit what you're saying because we absolutely saw quality minutes out of him in a starter role and Elite 8 run in 2017.
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I'm not. I'm not selling them as anything. They could be great. I'm saying you don't know anything about them. Counting them as depth would be like counting Brandon Tiassum and Pete Mokwuah as "depth" last year when they hadn't seen the field yet. On it's face, it doesn't make sense.
Everyone in the country has a roster full of scholarship bodies, that doesn't mean every team is "deep." Right now, the team is 4 deep with experienced/proven guys you can count on to play starter minutes. The hope is that you get at least two of four listed (or some transfers) to play at a high level where you can trust them to play serious minutes... which would make you 6 deep + hopefully you can count on Geben/Torres/others combined to eat another 30 minutes a night which is effectively what Ryan/Geben/Torres did this year. If you can get to 7 deep where you have 7 guys all capable of playing 15+ minutes a night at a high level, then you're in good shape. But we are three short in terms of guys that have shown they can do that... so I don't understand the argument at all that this team is "deep" heading into the offseason. In fact, things need to break incredibly well for the Irish to have a solid rotation next year that doesn't over-stress Bonzie and Farrell.
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Brey could have 25 guys on the team and we'd still be just 3-4 deep! lol
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There was no way to play Beachem/Ryan together for extended minutes with how they defended and how both were mainly just shooters. And Beachem was pretty much better at everything across the board and was a proven commodity.
Still a mistake by Ryan IMO. I'd be frustrated too, but there's no reason why his junior/senior seasons could not have mirrored Beachem's, and he's also seen how a guy like Farrell made a great call in not transferring. Unless the depth chart breaks right or you're a stud, guys really don't get crazy minutes until their junior seasons under Brey.
I really can't think of a better fit for Ryan than the Brey offense either...I wish he would stay.
Still a mistake by Ryan IMO. I'd be frustrated too, but there's no reason why his junior/senior seasons could not have mirrored Beachem's, and he's also seen how a guy like Farrell made a great call in not transferring. Unless the depth chart breaks right or you're a stud, guys really don't get crazy minutes until their junior seasons under Brey.
I really can't think of a better fit for Ryan than the Brey offense either...I wish he would stay.
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I think I agree with much of the point you are making. It is trje we do not have ma y proven quality players. However, I do not like the analogy to MDT or our dline depth at all. BK and his staff have zero success when it comes to developing less heralded dlineman into qualitt players where az Brey has consistently developed guys from whom not much was expected into quality basketball players. Brey has earned some confidence and faith and it would be completely unfair to compare his results to BK and crews development of Dlineman.
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First, I wish he would stay, I liked how he finished the year in March. Good, solid play.
That said, I am not sure I really see/saw a path for him to get 25+ minutes a game next year. Personally, I see them going with Rex, BC, MF and TG with an option to have Geben, Burns, Mooney and Ryan, before he left. That isn't even counting Harvey or Torres.
Ryan had a pure stroke, no doubt. But he was a huuuuge liability defensively and he was largely a one trick pony (85% of his ACC shots were 3's), which limited him considerably. Look at the stats below for ACC games. Ryan was the worst performer on the team, with a negative Wins Share. An average player is .100. What he was supposed to excel at, 3pt shooting, he was largely inconsistent. Yes, he certainly could improve, but what do you get from having Ryan on the floor shooting 3's that you couldn't get from having Gibbs run point with MF being off on the wing? Remember, MF was THE best shoot we had this year from 3pt range for anyone taking 2 or more per game. In conference, MF shot 45% from 3. Hell, even Rex was 10% better than Ryan. If you have both MF and Gibbs on the floor, pair that with a BC/Mooney, BC/Burns, Burns/Mooney 4/5 slot, I just don't see what Ryan adds to the equation that would allow him to see more than 10 minutes per game.
All that said, I wish he would have stayed, since he seems like a great kid and good teammate. I wish him all the luck.
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<th aria-label="Rank" data-stat="ranker" scope="col" data-tip="Rank" style="background-color: #ddd; border: 1px solid #aaa; padding: 2px;">Rk</th>
<th aria-label="Player" data-stat="player" scope="col" style="background-color: #ddd; border: 1px solid #aaa; padding: 2px;">Player</th>
<th aria-label="Games" data-stat="g" scope="col" data-tip="Games" style="background-color: #ddd; border: 1px solid #aaa; padding: 2px;">G</th>
<th aria-label="Minutes Played" data-stat="mp" scope="col" data-tip="Minutes Played" style="background-color: #ddd; border: 1px solid #aaa; padding: 2px;">MP</th>
<th aria-label="Player Efficiency Rating" data-stat="per" scope="col" data-tip="Player Efficiency Rating" data-filter="1" data-name="Player Efficiency Rating" style="background-color: #ddd; border: 1px solid #aaa; padding: 2px;">PER</th>
<th aria-label="True Shooting Percentage" data-stat="ts_pct" scope="col" data-tip="<strong>True Shooting Percentage</strong><br>A measure of shooting efficiency that takes into account 2-point field goals, 3-point field goals, and free throws." data-filter="1" data-name="True Shooting Percentage" style="background-color: #ddd; border: 1px solid #aaa; padding: 2px;">TS%</th>
<th aria-label="Effective Field Goal Percentage" data-stat="efg_pct" scope="col" data-tip="Effective Field Goal Percentage; this statistic adjusts for the fact that a 3-point field goal is worth one more point than a 2-point field goal." data-filter="1" data-name="Effective Field Goal Percentage" style="background-color: #ddd; border: 1px solid #aaa; padding: 2px;">eFG%</th>
<th aria-label="3-Point Attempt Rate" data-stat="fg3a_per_fga_pct" scope="col" data-tip="<strong>3-Point Attempt Rate</strong><br>Percentage of FG Attempts from 3-Point Range" style="background-color: #ddd; border: 1px solid #aaa; padding: 2px;">3PAr</th>
<th aria-label="Free Throw Attempt Rate" data-stat="fta_per_fga_pct" scope="col" data-tip="<strong>Free Throw Attempt Rate</strong><br>Number of FT Attempts Per FG Attempt" style="background-color: #ddd; border: 1px solid #aaa; padding: 2px;">FTr</th>
<th aria-label="Points Produced" data-stat="pprod" scope="col" data-tip="Points Produced; an estimate of the player's offensive points produced." style="background-color: #ddd; border: 1px solid #aaa; padding: 2px;">PProd</th>
<th aria-label="Offensive Rebound Percentage" data-stat="orb_pct" scope="col" data-tip="Offensive Rebound Percentage; an estimate of the percentage of available offensive rebounds a player grabbed while he was on the floor." data-filter="1" data-name="Offensive Rebound Percentage" style="background-color: #ddd; border: 1px solid #aaa; padding: 2px;">ORB%</th>
<th aria-label="Defensive Rebound Percentage" data-stat="drb_pct" scope="col" data-tip="Defensive Rebound Percentage; an estimate of the percentage of available defensive rebounds a player grabbed while he was on the floor." data-filter="1" data-name="Defensive Rebound Percentage" style="background-color: #ddd; border: 1px solid #aaa; padding: 2px;">DRB%</th>
<th aria-label="Total Rebound Percentage" data-stat="trb_pct" scope="col" data-tip="<strong>Total Rebound Percentage</strong><br>An estimate of the percentage of available rebounds a player grabbed while he was on the floor." data-filter="1" data-name="Total Rebound Percentage" style="background-color: #ddd; border: 1px solid #aaa; padding: 2px;">TRB%</th>
<th aria-label="Assist Percentage" data-stat="ast_pct" scope="col" data-tip="<strong>Assist Percentage</strong><br>An estimate of the percentage of teammate field goals a player assisted while he was on the floor." data-filter="1" data-name="Assist Percentage" style="background-color: #ddd; border: 1px solid #aaa; padding: 2px;">AST%</th>
<th aria-label="Steal Percentage" data-stat="stl_pct" scope="col" data-tip="<strong>Steal Percentage</strong><br>An estimate of the percentage of opponent possessions that end with a steal by the player while he was on the floor." data-filter="1" data-name="Steal Percentage" style="background-color: #ddd; border: 1px solid #aaa; padding: 2px;">STL%</th>
<th aria-label="Block Percentage" data-stat="blk_pct" scope="col" data-tip="<strong>Block Percentage</strong><br>An estimate of the percentage of opponent two-point field goal attempts blocked by the player while he was on the floor." data-filter="1" data-name="Block Percentage" style="background-color: #ddd; border: 1px solid #aaa; padding: 2px;">BLK%</th>
<th aria-label="Turnover Percentage" data-stat="tov_pct" scope="col" data-tip="Turnover Percentage; an estimate of turnovers per 100 plays." data-filter="1" data-name="Turnover Percentage" style="background-color: #ddd; border: 1px solid #aaa; padding: 2px;">TOV%</th>
<th aria-label="Usage Percentage" data-stat="usg_pct" scope="col" data-tip="Usage Percentage; an estimate of the percentage of team plays used by a player while he was on the floor." data-filter="1" data-name="Usage Percentage" style="background-color: #ddd; border: 1px solid #aaa; padding: 2px;">USG%</th>
<th aria-label=" " data-stat="Xxx" scope="col" style="background-color: #ddd; border: 1px solid #aaa; padding: 2px;"> </th>
<th aria-label="Offensive Win Shares" data-stat="ows" scope="col" data-tip="Offensive Win Shares; an estimate of the number of wins contributed by a player due to his offense." data-filter="1" data-name="Offensive Win Shares" style="background-color: #ddd; border: 1px solid #aaa; padding: 2px;">OWS</th>
<th aria-label="Defensive Win Shares" data-stat="dws" scope="col" data-tip="Defensive Win Shares; an estimate of the number of wins contributed by a player due to his defense." data-filter="1" data-name="Defensive Win Shares" style="background-color: #ddd; border: 1px solid #aaa; padding: 2px;">DWS</th>
<th aria-label="Win Shares" data-stat="ws" scope="col" data-tip="Win Shares; an estimate of the number of wins contributed by a player due to his offense and defense." data-filter="1" data-name="Win Shares" style="background-color: #ddd; border: 1px solid #aaa; padding: 2px;">WS</th>
<th aria-label="Win Shares Per 40 Minutes" data-stat="ws_per_40" scope="col" data-tip="Win Shares Per 40 Minutes; an estimate of the number of wins contributed by a player per 40 minutes (average is approximately .100)." data-filter="1" data-name="Win Shares Per 40 Minutes" style="background-color: #ddd; border: 1px solid #aaa; padding: 2px;">WS/40</th>
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- Messages
- 37,545
- Reaction score
- 28,995
This is a good counterpoint, so let me do another football parallel.
People consider the RB position to be deep because we have two guys who have shown they can make great plays (Adams, Williams) plus an unproven guy (Jones) that hasn't played because of a log jam but people rave about from practice.
So most of the people we're talking about fall into the Tony Jones category of "unproven depth." We don't have many "Dexter Williams" types who have been able to show it on the court and therefor can be truly counted on. If I were to break down my opinion on depth in more detail, I'd say we are 4 deep with 3 unproven guys that may develop and be able to play significant minutes at a high level.
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Irish Hoops Mod
- Messages
- 7,205
- Reaction score
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Beachem shot 101 threes his soph season and only 145 total shots. Not as bad as Ryan, but still 70% of his attempts were from 3. I think Ryan's game would have developed pretty similarly.
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3 minutes per game is not enough to draw any conclusions on his production. Ryan came out whether he made or missed the one or two attempts he got. We had ample evidence that he is a great deep threat who absolutely cannot be left alone behind the arc.
He made great improvement defensively toward the end of the season as well as working on offense to get open rather than camping in a corner as an easy cover. Drive dunk was not happening early in the season but shown late.
Long and short, I don't think Ryan wanted to bang in the paint and that is what our team needs badly. VJ had length to make up for his horrendous defensive positioning and refusal to body up anyone. Ryan would need to be more physical.
Overall - meh to the program and negative to the kid. Rather than sit out a year I think Ryan could have toughened up in the paint and been a double digit scorer for us with some incredible 30 point explosions to remember for the ages. For the program, Brey has tools on the bench to work with this and our need is for another player to step up and play big on defense to help out Bonz. Mooney has the build and sounds like the three ball to keep the offense spread - the problem with Torres and Geben is zero threat deep to keep the offense flowing.
Harvey is the biggest benefactor of this without a doubt, question is if that makes the team better 11 months from now or not? Hard to say the early season team is better, but very possible, if not probable that someone fills the void and develops more upside by year end.
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Clarity....the 3 is his efficiency rating, not minutes per game. It was close to 5 per game, which doesn't materially change your point.
More to the point of people wanting/hoping/predicting Ryan would be like VJ next year, look at where VJ was after year 2 in the system. Now look at last year's stats.....who do you think is more similar statistically....Rex or Ryan? I think Rex.
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I think this is a good comparison and a fair parallel.
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This is huge.
Now with a core of Bonzie and Farell I could see us being top 25 easily. Bonzie will be a pre season all,American for sure. If we could just get someone to step up or get a transfer that would be awesome.
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Thank god. We need some size badly. Kid was a big time recruit.
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Surprised this thread isn't red hot right now. These are two absolutely huge nuggets of info. I'm assuming that Durham has to sit a year?