2016 Presidential Horse Race

[IrishBroker]

I mean it is what it is. It's not the politics I want to see. It's not the country I want to live in. And when there's common ground (like on the infrastructure plan) I still don't think it's worth it.

But you can't have one party trying to engage in good faith and one party who takes their ball and goes home every time they're not up to bat. The GOP set the standard: The GOP's no-compromise pledge - POLITICO and if those are the rules of the game they want to use, I don't see why dems should just lie back and take it.

Then enjoy 8yrs of Trump.

And the new SCOTUS.

Big difference this time is there is ALOT more on the line.

Good luck with that.

 

[gkIrish]

ooooorrrrrr that Tim Scott received votes from people who are not Republicans. His opponent was a Democrat black minister and only garnered 37% of the total vote. So that doesnt really help wizards point at all. It makes sense when you factor in Democrat voters voting for Tim because even here, Democrats are still fairly conservative and not Progressives like in New York, Illinois or Cali.

Before we go any further let's recognize the fact that BOTH candidates in a state that you are painting to be a cesspool of racism were black.

 

[gkIrish]

Yeah I don't think people voted for a black dood proves anything but outside of that I think racists voted for trump and non-racists voted for trump are mutually exclusive at all.

How do you explain the fact that Barack Obama received 44% of the South Carolina vote in 2012 while Hillary Clinton only received 41%?

Trump received almost the same exact percentage of the vote as Romney.

 

[ACamp1900]

Seriously. I'm gonna say this with all honestly...These types are WORSE than any racist I've ever encountered.

IDK on all that but I have zero understanding at all of a portion of that crowd, I just don't get how you insulate yourself so much that you actually believe you're representative of ' sensible behavior, dignity, fairness, tolerance, understanding" then turn right around and have an emotional vapors fit in front of the whole world and call everyone that isn't exactly in line with your thought process a racist... some even going so far as to say just mind numbing shit like "kill all these racist, sexist white men" (saw a number of comments like this yesterday)

It's hard for me to even attempt a honest dialogue with that...

 

[ACamp1900]

Wait I thought Trump was the Republican nominee? You're telling me he isn't a conservative???

If the last 20 years taught us anything about that party it's that 'Republican' sure as hell doesn't equal 'Conservative'....

 

[Cackalacky]

Before we go any further let's recognize the fact that BOTH candidates in a state that you are painting to be a cesspool of racism were black.

That does not mean anything. We are lucky to have a Democrat run at all no matter what race. Again, you guys are arguing from points that have zero factual basis or at least matter little. See here. Here is a list of 2016 SC State HOR. It is literally a complete list of Republicans running unopposed. If you search for "unopposed" it appears 83 times. The 2016 SC Senate... unopposed occurs 37 times. Mark Sanford won his seat last election being unopposed. There are no serious Democratic politicians outside of Clyburn from the Orangeburg District, which incidentally is overwhelmingly rural and black and was also the district in which my anecdote occurred.

This state does not vote strictly party lines. The Registered Dems will still vote Republican many times for state or Congressional seats. And again, a SC democrat is along the type of politician like Lindsay Graham or Fritz Hollings. not Elizabeth Warren.

 

[IrishinSyria]

How do you explain the fact that Barack Obama received 44% of the South Carolina vote in 2012 while Hillary Clinton only received 41%?

Trump received almost the same exact percentage of the vote as Romney.

Meant to say "I don't think 'racists voted for trump' and 'non-racists voted for trump' are mutually exclusive at all."


So I guess I account for it by saying I agree with you.

 

[gkIrish]

That does not mean anything. We are lucky to have a Democrat run at all no matter what race. Again, you guys are arguing from points that have zero factual basis or at least matter little. See here. Here is a list of 2016 SC State HOR. It is literally a complete list of Republicans running unopposed. If you search for "unopposed" it appears 83 times. The 2016 SC Senate... unopposed occurs 37 times. Mark Sanford won his seat last election being unopposed. There are no serious Democratic politicians outside of Clyburn from the Orangeburg District, which incidentally is overwhelmingly rural and black and was also the district in which my anecdote occurred.

This state does not vote strictly party lines. The Registered Dems will still vote Republican many times for state or Congressional seats.

I don't think you are being responsive. How does a black man get nominated for a major position in the state if the state is overwhelmingly racist? I believe that you have been arguing that racism is much more serious than wiz believes it is so I ask you where is the proof besides your anecdotes? Trump did 2% better among blacks nationally, by the way.

 

[BobbyMac]

‘Chuck’ star Zachary Levi refuses to smear Trump voters (and takes heat for it) – twitchy.com

Buried in that link... This.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="und" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/CamiloNazar">@CamiloNazar</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/ZacharyLevi">@ZacharyLevi</a> <a href="https://t.co/8352SZvLtw">pic.twitter.com/8352SZvLtw</a></p>— Serenity (@orangechicken42) <a href="https://twitter.com/orangechicken42/status/796484405007032320">November 9, 2016</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[tussin]

Serious question, what has Trump done to the AA community to suggest that he is racist? There may be something obvious but I can't think of it.

 

[Cackalacky]

I don't think you are being responsive. How does a black man get nominated for a major position in the state if the state is overwhelmingly racist? I believe that you have been arguing that racism is much more serious than wiz believes it is so I ask you where is the proof besides your anecdotes? Trump did 2% better among blacks nationally, by the way.

I never said overwhelmingly racist. Is anybody actually reading what I am typing?

I have made one major point. White conservatives that are racist overwhelmingly vote for Republicans in this STATE. Since you cant write in a candidate in SC, if you are a white conservative Republican then you undoubtedly voted for Trump in 2016, therefore by logic, If you are a white conservative racist republican and you voted in 2016, you voted for TRUMP. This is literally inarguable. I supported this statement. I cant make you accept this. I have not said anything about their percentage as a portion of voting Republicans or that they have some special power to dictate to the R's whom their candidates WILL BE.

Tim Scott is a Teaparty R from Charleston. He is very popular and is perfect from their standpoint regarding political stances. I dont argue that at all. That does not mean that the racist element in this state had enough power KEEP him from being elected by the Tea party R's currently controlling this states politics.

 

[NorthDakota]

Serious question, what has Trump done to the AA community to suggest that he is racist? There may be something obvious but I can't think of it.

Some stereotypical white male behavior...and he ran as a Republican.

 

[kmoose]

The GOP set the standard: The GOP's no-compromise pledge - POLITICO and if those are the rules of the game they want to use, I don't see why dems should just lie back and take it.

The problem with this attitude is that it is based on an inaccurate assumption. The assumption that the GOP invented obstructionism in 2010.

After Bush was re-elected in 2004, Democrats in Congress did not compromise | Washington Examiner

But even though Bush had a substantial majority in both Houses of Congress at first, Democrats successfully blocked nearly all of his second term agenda even before their party took power in Congress in 2006.

 

[gkIrish]

Serious question, what has Trump done to the AA community to suggest that he is racist? There may be something obvious but I can't think of it.

Basically nothing at all besides acknowledging that inner cities are not safe and have poor living conditions.

 

[Bluto]

IDK on all that but I have zero understanding at all of a portion of that crowd, I just don't get how you insulate yourself so much that you actually believe you're representative of ' sensible behavior, dignity, fairness, tolerance, understanding" then turn right around and have an emotional vapors fit in front of the whole world and call everyone that isn't exactly in line with your thought process a racist... some even going so far as to say just mind numbing shit like "kill all these racist, sexist white men" (saw a number of comments like this yesterday)

It's hard for me to even attempt a honest dialogue with that...

That's a fair statement. The flip side of that is when I see some half baked attempt to downplay the very real violence and hate I've seen and experienced first hand by comparing that to mean tweets. I find it to be just as ridiculous and dismissive.

 

[gkIrish]

I never said overwhelmingly racist. Is anybody actually reading what I am typing?

I have made one major point. White conservatives that are racist overwhelmingly vote for Republicans in this STATE. Since you cant write in a candidate in SC, if you are a white conservative Republican then you undoubtedly voted for Trump in 2016, therefore by logic, If you are a white conservative racist republican and you voted in 2016, you voted for TRUMP. This is literally inarguable. I supported this statement. I cant make you accept this. I have not said anything about their percentage as a portion of voting Republicans or that they have some special power to dictate to the R's whom their candidates WILL BE.

Tim Scott is a Teaparty R from Charleston. He is very popular and is perfect from their standpoint regarding political stances. I dont argue that at all. That does not mean that the racist element in this state had enough power to not keep him from being elected by the Tea party R's currently controlling this states politics.

I 100% agree with what you said here.

I felt that you have been trying to make a larger point which is why I have been challenging you.

My only argument is that racism in this country did not get Donald Trump elected to the presidency.

 

[Cackalacky]

I 100% agree with what you said here.

I felt that you have been trying to make a larger point which is why I have been challenging you.

My only argument is that racism in this country did not get Donald Trump elected to the presidency.

I totally agree and am totally not making that point. My whole purpose in posting earlier was to relay my dismay with the posters who were belittling the reality of the situation that I experience daily becasue they think it is a nothinburger.

 

[connor_in]

Her Loss - NYTimes.com

just...wow

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Basically nothing at all besides acknowledging that inner cities are not safe and have poor living conditions.

I think it also depends on how you interpret his support for Stop and Frisk policies as well as his endorsement from the Klan, among others. African Americans will absolutely push back against that.

 

[kmoose]

So, #calexit is fun to follow on Twitter.

We should sell California to the French. The state is practically bankrupt anyway. Just sell off an underperforming division, to make the company stronger.

 

[tussin]

I totally agree and am totally not making that point. My whole purpose in posting earlier was to relay my dismay with the posters who were belittling the reality of the situation that I experience daily becasue they think it is a nothinburger.

Posters were not belittling the undeniable reality that racism motivates sects of voters.

What is worth belittling is every SJW on social media flippantly dismissing the entire Trump victory as, "Look RACISM!!!! SEXISM!!!! Alive and well!!!!" without any resemblance of an effort to understand what actually happened on Election Night. Those sentiments are equally divisive and damaging.

 

[IrishinSyria]

The problem with this attitude is that it is based on an inaccurate assumption. The assumption that the GOP invented obstructionism in 2010.

After Bush was re-elected in 2004, Democrats in Congress did not compromise | Washington Examiner

Really if you want to go back in history it starts here with two government shut downs in the 90s (and did Dems ever shut down the government or threaten to under Bush?):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_federal_government_shutdowns_of_1995–1996

But regardless of who started it, it's gotten worse (see, eg., Garland) and it's how the game is played now. I think it's a terrible thing for the country. But I think it would be even worse for one party to read an electoral loss as a mandate to bend the knee when the other party reads an electoral and popular loss as a mandate to burn the bridges).

 

[Bluto]

We should sell California to the French. The state is practically bankrupt anyway. Just sell off an underperforming division, to make the company stronger.

Actually, using those metrics we would want to jettison Kansas, Mississippi, Arkansas, Alabama, basically most of the SEC. I'm all for that!

Gonna draft the legislation right now and retweet it to Donald.

 

[Irish Insanity]

Serious question.....is this a hate crime?

Yes.

Maybe I missed something previously but,...

In fairness how do we know this aside from pure assumption??? Was there a state specific portion on the ballot:

"How do you identify??

A.) Racist
B.) Non racist""

??

Most of the posts in this thread are based on baseless assumptions and typically paint with way to broad of a brush.

Wait, we're talking racism towards black people???!!

There's no such thing

 

[Cackalacky]

The question is why they could be afraid and i am giving an answer. I don't think trump is going to bring back the kkk. But, I am sure some black people see david duke getting giddy over trump being elected as a scary thing.

So? David Duke probably believes that 2 + 2 = 4. A despicable man believing a thing does not make that thing despicable.

Why?

Seriously. I want to know what they think is going to happen.

Because the KKK is already around, and their ignorant asses have been hating the whole time. What about them voting makes people more "scared"

Newsflash: not everybody thinks like you. It really isn't difficult to understand why that would be scary. When's the last time the kkk was this excited about somebody winning the presidential election?

Holy fuck, there is no KKK. It's like three guys in Tuscaloosa.

Idaho.

They are morons. They don't respect anything at all. The only thing they want to do is cause problems.

Terrible humans.

I wish they'd leave.

But a parasite dies without a Host.

It's four guys in Tuscaloosa and it's the True Empire White Knights.

Snitch.

LoL...

I know not of this group.

What happened to all those people who promised to move out of the US if Trump won?

http://http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2016/11/09/amy-schumer-will-stay-in-us-despite-promise-to-leave-if-trump-wins-election.html

There were a lot of Dems that crossed party lines....

The last three people that I heard use the word "nigger", in my presence, were all life long, hard core Democrats.

I'm not surprised by this. My uncle on my mom's side (Irish and a democrat) hated blacks and didn't think much of Mexicans (lol). I think the question is more of will this type of thing become increasingly acceptable. Where I grew up in east Kern County it sure appeared that people were much more comfortable using racial slurs as of late based on conversations I've had with family members who went back and visited. I don't think this type of stuff had ever fully gone away but it sure seemed much more restrained until this past year.

I don't doubt you at all, but personally, the only people I know who say the n word with any sort of regularity voted for trump yesterday.

Posters were not belittling the undeniable reality that racism motivates sects of voters.

What is worth belittling is every SJW on social media flippantly dismissing the entire Trump victory as, "Look RACISM!!!! SEXISM!!!! Alive and well!!!!" without any resemblance of an effort to understand what actually happened on Election Night. Those sentiments are equally divisive and damaging.

None of these posts have anything to with BLM or sexism and are specifically about racism or the lack thereof. Particularly Wizards claiming that there is no KKK.

 

[connor_in]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Oddly enough, the desire to mend and heal was inversely proportional to the probability of Donald Trump winning. <a href="https://t.co/lIOd0EMyzb">pic.twitter.com/lIOd0EMyzb</a></p>— Sean Davis (@seanmdav) <a href="https://twitter.com/seanmdav/status/796530060572364800">November 10, 2016</a></blockquote>
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[ACamp1900]

IDK on all that but I have zero understanding at all of a portion of that crowd, I just don't get how you insulate yourself so much that you actually believe you're representative of ' sensible behavior, dignity, fairness, tolerance, understanding" then turn right around and have an emotional vapors fit in front of the whole world and call everyone that isn't exactly in line with your thought process a racist... some even going so far as to say just mind numbing shit like "kill all these racist, sexist white men" (saw a number of comments like this yesterday)

It's hard for me to even attempt a honest dialogue with that...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Oddly enough, the desire to mend and heal was inversely proportional to the probability of Donald Trump winning. <a href="https://t.co/lIOd0EMyzb">pic.twitter.com/lIOd0EMyzb</a></p>— Sean Davis (@seanmdav) <a href="https://twitter.com/seanmdav/status/796530060572364800">November 10, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Exhibit A.... lol

 

[Henges24]

There's really only one group of people to blame for all of this. The pot smokers.

If it wasn't for Gary Johnson then Hillary may have one.

In all seriousness, Facebook is a god damn mad house. I have never wanted to punch so many people in the face.

Abigail [Extracted]
November 7 at 12:12pm ·
Yes, you are racist if you vote for Trump.
Because you are saying you do not care what happens to the Hispanics if he wins.
Yes, you are anti-feminist if you vote for Trump.
Because you are letting someone who disrespects women to represent our country.
Yes, you are against the LBGTQ community if you vote for Trump. But you already knew that.
And maybe most importantly, you are against Earth if you vote for Trump. Because he believes climate change is a hoax. That's like saying the earth is flat.
If you're voting for Trump because you hate Hillary then you are insulting your intelligence by believing in conspiracy theories.
If you're voting for Trump because you are Christian, well the pope already spoke against him for me.
If you vote for Trump, you are reversing all the good things Obama has done for this country. And if you think he hasn't done anything well, then I don't understand how you can only look for your needs and not those of others.
I don't want any comments for I have said my piece. Please, look beyond yourself, and see that a vote against Trump is the only way humanity can survive.

I only had to read the first sentence to know that this chick was on meth.

 

[yankeehater]

McConnell already throwing shade on the one good point of Trump's transition plan- the massive investment in infrastructure. This is something Dems can get on board with (after all, it's nearly identical to the Obama plan the GOP blocked).

It's tough to see anywhere else I would support working with Trump. GOP spent the last 8 years sending the message LOUD AND CLEAR that they're willing to put partisan politics before all else, no reason dems should bend over and take an agenda they don't believe in for the sake of unity or some shit.

We just had a CA Dem Rep go on local news questioning on how this will all be paid for. The world we live in when Dems are now sounding like Conservatives.

 

[IrishBroker]

Posters were not belittling the undeniable reality that racism motivates sects of voters.

What is worth belittling is every SJW on social media flippantly dismissing the entire Trump victory as, "Look RACISM!!!! SEXISM!!!! Alive and well!!!!" without any resemblance of an effort to understand what actually happened on Election Night. Those sentiments are equally divisive and damaging.

Exactly. It's not the guy who has, in his life, encountered racism or other heinous behavior...it's the keyboard warriors, media, and Hollywood that are claiming that anyone who votes a certain way is directly tied to said racism or sexism...and then threaten them for it.

You will never, I repeat NEVER, change the minds of others by acting like the stereotype you are trying to shed.