2016 Presidential Horse Race

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RDU Irish

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SIAP, quote from Bernie:
"Donald Trump tapped into the anger of a declining middle class that is sick and tired of establishment economics, establishment politics and the establishment media. People are tired of working longer hours for lower wages, of seeing decent paying jobs go to China and other low-wage countries, of billionaires not paying any federal income taxes and of not being able to afford a college education for their kids - all while the very rich become much richer.
To the degree that Mr. Trump is serious about pursuing policies that improve the lives of working families in this country, I and other progressives are prepared to work with him. To the degree that he pursues racist, sexist, xenophobic and anti-environment policies, we will vigorously oppose him. "


100% correct.

The only surprise here is that Bernie is the messenger - To phrase more correctly, everything they oppose will be labeled as "racist, sexist, xenophobic and anti-environment policies". Because they know that will still work on the House and Senate limp dicks like McConnell (who has already strongly stated the Senate has no interest in a term limits bill). Same divisive, emotional retorts to battle the substance that will be put forth.

That strategy lost them an election but they want to double down in defense? Good luck with that.
 

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Make sure you listen to it.


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They recorded and put this on the internet? wtf is wrong with people.
 
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I must be surrounded by too many minorities all the time or something... I don't believe I have heard someone (adults only here, kids say the darnedest things at recess) drop a major racial slur at any kind of minority in a hatful way in a really, really long time.... Last I can remember is a trip to Arkansas in 2000 where n bombs were being dropped like nothing....

But here in California? Dude, like maybe not since I was the kid at recess.... I'm going to have to think hard on that....

Just this weekend I was up in the Orangeburg area and saw a middle aged white man in a truck with with Trump Stickers and confederate flag stickers all over his truck. That was not the thing though. That is nothing new. He had a doll of a black man in a suit and was dragging it behind his truck by a rope attached to his trailer hitch. I can only imagine that this was an Obama effigy and I had to follow this guy for about a mile. It was probably the worst experience of my life. I have seen some crazy racist shit in my life and this was unbelieveable. Knowing full well that dragging an African American behind a truck from a trailer hitch has happened in SC in recent memory to actual African Americans, I was disgusted. If you (general you) think this is isolated, then you seriously live in a bubble regarding race relations.

And it s laughable that the yankees on this board really think the KKK or white supremacy does not exist becasue your grandmother only said mexicans need to speak english (LOL). Speaking from experience, just in the last 3 years there have been at least a dozen church burnings and lets not forget the quite clear racial shooting in Charleston. Currently there have been threats of racially motivated violence sent to random hotels in Charleston as both the Walter Scott and Dylan Roof trials are currently going on. Security at our courthouses are currently at levels I have not seen before due to those threats sent.

"Every one of the 9 lives sacrificed by his greatness, Mr Dylann S Roof, is one less I will need to sacrifice," according to incident reports. A pistol was drawn below the statement.

Other letters contained threatening statements toward Jewish people, blacks, Hispanics and Muslims, with some referencing violence at a synagogue and a mosque.

“And for my next great work…well you choose. Burn a Mosque/Muslin, hang a Jew, skin a N****,”
Personally I am ashamed for all of you joking about the KKK. I have much respect for many of you but that is too much IMO. It has little to do with PC but everything to do with respecting your fellow human beings and seeing some of you delighting in people's REAL fear about the future in this country is very sad.
 
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The only surprise here is that Bernie is the messenger - To phrase more correctly, everything they oppose will be labeled as "racist, sexist, xenophobic and anti-environment policies". Because they know that will still work on the House and Senate limp dicks like McConnell (who has already strongly stated the Senate has no interest in a term limits bill). Same divisive, emotional retorts to battle the substance that will be put forth.

That strategy lost them an election but they want to double down in defense? Good luck with that.

You are right, deportation squads and backing out of the Paris agreement have nothing to do with xenophobia and anti-environmentalism.

lol
 

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Okay, so this is going to come out of nowhere, but I've been thinking about how Hillary is supposed to be this "women's champion", but there is nothing about her that makes her appear to be a strong woman. Her, along with her assistant Huma, both have husbands who have been PUBLICLY found to have been cheating on them, and yet they continue to stay with them. For everyone, this makes it obvious that the marriage is only for political gain and hardly real. In the average American's viewpoint, she is not a strong woman. She is hardly a role model for young girls. She is a sellout and a sham.

She might have won more female votes if she had divorced her husband.

/EndRant

She would never have been anything other than a dime-a-dozen lawyer, if she had divorced her husband. NOT divorcing her husband was the price she paid for the Democrats to sell out to try to get her elected as the first female President in US history. It was what got her elected senator from NY, a state she had never even resided in until about a year before the election, and got her her appointment as US SecState. I wonder how long the Clinton Family Foundation will last, now that the Clintons have no access to sell?
 

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For everyone who thinks this country is about to go down the toilet with Trump, I give you hope.
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You are right, deportation squads and backing out of the Paris agreement have nothing to do with xenophobia and anti-environmentalism.

lol

You must have missed the part where Trump won based largely on enforcing the rule of law and putting CITIZENS interests first. lol indeed.
 

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Just this weekend I was up in the Orangeburg area and saw a middle aged white man in a truck with with Trump Stickers and confederate flag stickers all over his truck. That was not the thing though. That is nothing new. He had a doll of a black man in a suit and was dragging it behind his truck by a rope attached to his trailer hitch. I can only imagine that this was an Obama effigy and I had to follow this guy for about a mile. It was probably the worst experience of my life. I have seen some crazy racist shit in my life and this was unbelieveable. Knowing full well that dragging an African American behind a truck from a trailer hitch has happened in SC in recent memory to actual African Americans, I was disgusted. If you (general you) think this is isolated, then you seriously live in a bubble regarding race relations.

And it s laughable that the yankees on this board really think the KKK or white supremacy does not exist becasue your grandmother only said mexicans need to speak english (LOL). Speaking from experience, just in the last 3 years there have been at least a dozen church burnings and lets not forget the quite clear racial shooting in Charleston. Currently there have been threats of racially motivated violence sent to random hotels in Charleston as both the Walter Scott and Dylan Roof trials are currently going on. Security at our courthouses are currently at levels I have not seen before due to those threats sent.


Personally I am ashamed for all of you joking about the KKK. I have much respect for many of you but that is too much IMO. It has little to do with PC but everything to do with respecting your fellow human beings and seeing some of you delighting in people's REAL fear about the future in this country is very sad.

Unfortunately there still is a long way to go with some folks. Not picking on you, but did you think about pulling up behind him and driving on the dummy so it snapped off when he drove away from a stop light?
 

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You are right, deportation squads and backing out of the Paris agreement have nothing to do with xenophobia and anti-environmentalism.

lol

Let's think about deportation squads (otherwise known as ICE agents).

(1) There must be a distinction between legal and illegal immigrants. Otherwise, every person on Earth would logically have a right to come here- and we would therefore have an obligation to admit them. (Maybe you believe that, I consider it absurd.)
(2) If something is illegal, the law against it must be enforced, or it makes no sense to have the law.
(3) Laws against illegal immigration must be enforced (this is deportation).

Not too complicated.
 

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You must have missed the part where Trump won based largely on enforcing the rule of law and putting CITIZENS interests first. lol indeed.

If you really don't think that Trump pandered to xenophobia...I don't know what to say.

Again I'm not painting Trump voters with a broad brush here.

Most of them (I hope) couldn't care less about this crap, they just want economic changes.
 

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Cack, the Anti-Defamation League and Southern Poverty Law Center estimate the Klan at something like 3,000-5,000 members. That number of men is capable of some heinous acts but as a political force, which is what we're talking about, they're statistically zero. I'm not denying the evil that exists but it has absolutely nothing to do with Donald Trump. Racists aren't why he got elected nor will his election create new racists.
 
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Unfortunately there still is a long way to go with some folks. Not picking on you, but did you think about pulling up behind him and driving on the dummy so it snapped off when he drove away from a stop light?

No. 1. I was too busy trying to explain to my son what was going on.
No. 2. Its his right to express himself as he deems however deplorable an opinion it is. Doing that would have damaged his property and likely put myself in a very precarious position in the middle of Nowhere SC with just my son. Not smart.
I got away from him as soon as possible but still hasd to explain to my son why a person would drive around with that.
 
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Cack, the Anti-Defamation League and Southern Poverty Law Center estimate the Klan at something like 3,000-5,000 members. That number of men is capable of some heinous acts but as a political[/] force, which is what we're talking about, they're statistically zero. I'm not denying the evil that exists but it has absolutely nothing to do with Donald Trump. Racists aren't why he got elected nor will his election create new racists.

1. The KKK is not the only organization that is opearting. In fact, the KKK was hit so hard by the US government that is has little operating power. Here is a brief list from Wikipedia current groups. I am betting its more than just 5000-8000 people:

United States[edit]
American Renaissance, is a "race realist and white advocacy website", formerly a monthly magazine, published by the New Century Foundation.[50]
American Freedom Party, formerly known as the American Third Position Party, is an American political party which promotes white supremacy.[51][52][53][54] It was founded in 2010, and defines its principal mission as representing the political interests of white Americans.[55]
American Nazi Party, is an antisemitic, neo-Nazi organization based largely upon the ideals and policies of Adolf Hitler's NSDAP in Germany during the Third Reich but claims that it is in conformance with the Constitutional principles of the U.S.'s Founding Fathers. It also supports Holocaust denial.
Aryan Brotherhood of Texas is, according to the Anti-Defamation League and Southern Poverty Law Center, one of the largest and most violent white supremacist prison gangs in the United States, responsible for murders and other violent crimes.[56][57]
Aryan Nations, is a white supremacist neo-Nazi organization founded in the 1970s by Richard Girnt Butler as an arm of the Christian Identity group known as the Church of Jesus Christ-Christian. The Federal Bureau of Investigation has called Aryan Nations a "terrorist threat",[58] and the RAND Corporation has called it the "first truly nationwide terrorist network" in the US.[59]
Council of Conservative Citizens, is an American political organization that supports a large variety of conservative and paleoconservative causes in addition to white separatism.[60]
Creativity Alliance, (formerly known as the World Church of the Creator) is a white supremacist politico organization that advocates the racialist religion, Creativity. Mainly religious rather than political, the radical Creativity Alliance or Church of Creativity, founded by Ben Klassen in 1973, worships the white race itself rather than any deity, and advocates a radical form of white supremacism known as RAHOWA.
EURO, is a white separatist organization in the United States. Led by former Louisiana state representative and presidential primary candidate David Duke, it was founded in 2000.[61][62]
Hammerskins, also known as Hammerskin Nation, are a white supremacist group formed in 1988 in Dallas, Texas. Their primary focus is the production and promotion of white power rock music, and many white power bands have been affiliated with the group.
Ku Klux Klan, often abbreviated KKK and informally known as The Klan, is the name of three distinct past and present right-wing[63] organizations in the United States, which have advocated extremist reactionary currents such as white supremacy and nationalism. The Klan is classified as a hate group by the Anti-Defamation League and the Southern Poverty Law Center.[64] It is estimated to have between 5,000 and 8,000 members, split among dozens of different organizations that use the Klan name as of 2012.[65]
National Alliance, is a white supremacist political organization. It was founded by William Luther Pierce, and is based in the Pierce family's compound in Hillsboro, West Virginia.
National Association for the Advancement of White People, is a white supremacist organization in the United States incorporated on December 14, 1953 in Delaware by Bryant Bowles which presents itself as a civil rights organization such as the NAACP.
National Policy Institute, is a think tank based in Augusta, Georgia in the United States. It describes itself as the right's answer to the Southern Poverty Law Center.
National Socialist Movement (United States), a party founded in 1974. Since 2005 the party has become very active, staging many marches and demonstrations.
National Vanguard, was an American National Socialist organization based in Charlottesville, Virginia, founded by Kevin Alfred Strom and former members of the National Alliance.
Nationalist Movement, is a Mississippi-based, white supremacist organization that advocates what it calls a "pro-majority" position. It has been called white supremacist by the Associated Press and Anti-Defamation League, among others.[66][67]
Occidental Quarterly, is a printed far-right quarterly journal with a web segment, TOQ Online, including interviews, essays and reviews on the website.[68]
The Order, or Brüder Schweigen ("Silent Brotherhood") was a white supremacist Revolutionary organization founded by Robert Jay Mathews, active 1983-1984, probably best known for the 1984 murder of talk show host Alan Berg. Berg's killing was to be the first in a planned series of assassinations, followed by attacks on the United States government, all meant to bring about a race war which would result in fulfillment of White Separatist ideals (see Northwest Territorial Imperative).
Pacifica Forum, is a controversial discussion group in Eugene, Oregon, United States. It has been listed as a white nationalist[69] hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC).
Phineas Priesthood, is a Christian Identity movement that opposes interracial intercourse, the mixing of races, homosexuality, and abortion. It is also marked by its anti-Semitism, anti-multiculturalism, and opposition to taxation.
Volksfront, describes itself as an international fraternal organization for persons of European descent.[70] It has been called "neo-Nazi" and a "racist-skinhead group" in press reports.[71][72][73] The Anti-Defamation League has called the group "one of the most active skinhead groups in the United States."[74] The Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) has added Volksfront to its list of hate groups.[75]
White Aryan Resistance, is a neo-Nazi white supremacist organization founded and led by former Ku Klux Klan leader Tom Metzger.

And I agree that not trump people are racists, but again... the racists in this country have migrated to Trump as they are leaving the traditional Republican party behind. Its just a warning but you need only look what happened with the Southern Strategy post-Nixon to see where the racists did go politically. They are now moving towards Trump for many reasons. Trump supporters should realize that this is inevitable and not some random occurrence with no significance.
 
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Okay, so this is going to come out of nowhere, but I've been thinking about how Hillary is supposed to be this "women's champion", but there is nothing about her that makes her appear to be a strong woman. Her, along with her assistant Huma, both have husbands who have been PUBLICLY found to have been cheating on them, and yet they continue to stay with them. For everyone, this makes it obvious that the marriage is only for political gain and hardly real. In the average American's viewpoint, she is not a strong woman. She is hardly a role model for young girls. She is a sellout and a sham.

She might have won more female votes if she had divorced her husband.

/EndRant

Hard to beat the truth.
 

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No. 1. I was too busy trying to explain to my son what was going on.
No. 2. Its his right to express himself as he deems however deplorable an opinion it is. Doing that would have damaged his property and likely put myself in a very precarious position in the middle of Nowhere SC with just my son. Not smart.
I got away from him as soon as possible but still hasd to explain to my son why a person would drive around with that.

Cack you seem to deal with a lot of disturbing things in your area and I can see how much it bothers you. Have you ever considered moving elsewhere?
 

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My FRENCH professor just spent the first 15 minutes of class literally holding back tears and sniffling talking to us about the rise of white rationalism across Europe and the US and how we, millennials, can stop it. Word for word after arriving 5 minutes late "Sorry...it's just been a really tough two days". I was holding back laughter the whole time.
 

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1. The KKK is not the only organization that is opearting. In fact, the KKK was hit so hard by the US government that is has little operating power. Here is a brief list from Wikipedia current groups. I am betting its more than just 5000-8000 people:



And I agree that not trump people are racists, but again... the racists in this country have migrated to Trump as they are leaving the traditional Republican party behind. Its just a warning but you need only look what happened with the Southern Strategy post-Nixon to see where the racists did go politically. They are now moving towards Trump for many reasons. Trump supporters should realize that this is inevitable and not some unavoidable occurrence.
The current president is BARACK OBAMA, and he won twice. Is your argument that all these racists are more pro-Trump in 2016 than they were anti-Obama in 2004 and 2008? It makes no sense.

Also, if there are racists anyplace, it's South Carolina, right? Tim Scott got more total votes and a higher percentage than Donald Trump in South Carolina. Meaning the racist Republican voters like black Tim Scott more than white nationalist Donald Trump. Worst racists ever.
 
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The feminists are out in full force today. Seeing a lot of "welcome back to the white male's world" posts.

These are the same women who are married to white men. When asked why their husband is different, you get a "well I know him and he's not a racist misogynist."

Yet all the white men they don't know are guilty until proven innocent. This is a curious world we live in.
 

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The current president is BARACK OBAMA, and he won twice. Is your argument that all these racists are more pro-Trump in 2016 than they were anti-Obama in 2004 and 2008? It makes no sense.

Also, if there are racists anyplace, it's South Carolina, right? Tim Scott got more total votes and a higher percentage than Donald Trump in South Carolina. Meaning the racist Republican voters like black Tim Scott more than white nationalist Donald Trump. Worst racists ever.

Get that logic out of here.
 

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Cack, the Anti-Defamation League and Southern Poverty Law Center estimate the Klan at something like 3,000-5,000 members. That number of men is capable of some heinous acts but as a political force, which is what we're talking about, they're statistically zero. I'm not denying the evil that exists but it has absolutely nothing to do with Donald Trump. Racists aren't why he got elected nor will his election create new racists.

I think BLM/Sharpton and KKK should face off, Walking Dead style, and decimate each other.

When it's over we'll douse them with penicillin and clean the remainder.

We'll give them alarm clocks and directions to the nearest unemployment office afterwards and get them into drug rehab.
 

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1. The KKK is not the only organization that is opearting. In fact, the KKK was hit so hard by the US government that is has little operating power. Here is a brief list from Wikipedia current groups. I am betting its more than just 5000-8000 people:



And I agree that not trump people are racists, but again... the racists in this country have migrated to Trump as they are leaving the traditional Republican party behind. Its just a warning but you need only look what happened with the Southern Strategy post-Nixon to see where the racists did go politically. They are now moving towards Trump for many reasons. Trump supporters should realize that this is inevitable and not some random occurrence with no significance.

The people who are migrating to the Republican party are, by definition, non-democrats. Which, I've realized, automatically makes them racist.

The reason liberals lost the election isn't a policy thing, or a racist thing, or an ISIS thing. But, I do believe it's hate related. It's that people, especially in rural areas, hate liberals.

Not because they're black or latino. It's not based on gender, religion, or race. It's the actual arrogance, actions and conduct of liberals. I live in a red area, and I don't know that many, but I know I'm a bad person according to them.

Don't agree with us? You're a racist? Don't think we should let as many people in as we can? You're a xenophobe. Don't believe in late term abortions? You just started a war on women mister.

I live in rural Ohio. On a day to day basis, I deal with 0 people that are non-white. Maybe I see one at work, or eating lunch, but on average, from an interaction standpoint, I just don't. I don't have any African American or Latino friends.

You know what that makes me? A racist. Wait, no, that's because I'm male and white and haven't marched in a BLM protest. At least that's what I've heard on the TV.

I don't believe in late term abortions. Then again, I don't believe in abortions at all. I believe in the right to life, not the right to "have" a life that having a child may put a damper on. That apparently makes me a sexist.

I believe we can't just have an open border policy. I don't think we need some elite deportation police, or a barbwire fence around the country, but we do need a much cleaner path to citizenship (and much more expedited). We can't just let everyone in from every country. From what I learned from TV, that makes me a xenophobe.

Liberals have no problem letting you know what you are, but they can't give you an actual definition of why it is they're calling you that (unless you accept the "because we said so" argument).

My guess is, if they laid out what they're aiming for, and what those conditions are that need improved (instead of these bullshit generalizations), they'd find a lot more in common with rural America then they think. They're just too busy shouting at everyone and high-fiving each other to do this.
 

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But for non-Trump supporters, it's hard for them to separate a vote for Trump from an approval of bigotry.

I get that. My problem is that it's NOT MY PROBLEM. It's THEIR problem. Life is hard. But it isn't everyone else's responsibility to make it not hard. It's your responsibility to rise up to the challenge. If it's something insurmountable, then you should ask for help. But I don't think someone's personal feelings about Trump being elected constitutes an "insurmountable challenge".
 
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The current president is BARACK OBAMA, and he won twice. Is your argument that all these racists are more pro-Trump in 2016 than they were anti-Obama in 2004 and 2008? It makes no sense.

Also, if there are racists anyplace, it's South Carolina, right? Tim Scott got more total votes and a higher percentage than Donald Trump in South Carolina. Meaning the racist Republican voters like black Tim Scott more than white nationalist Donald Trump. Worst racists ever.

Once again your logic is so faulty I dont even know where to begin but I will try. Obama lost this state bigly... twice. Outside of two areas this entire state absolutely HATES OBAMA and his WIFE. Once again you prove you ridiculous bubble you have created for yourself are argue from points of total ignorance. Again for the thousandth time..... Just because you cant understand how the Republican party COULD harbor these people does not mean that they have a voice powerful enough to overpower the pro business side of the party or have any power in whom the REPUBLICAN PARTY CHOOSES TO ELECT. Just becasue Tim Scott is elected has no correlation to the percentage of racist that make up the Republican party LOL. You are unreal... If you think that ALLLL Republicans in the state of SC are happy with Tim Scott being a Senator then again you have no clue WTF you are talking about. There is literally no way to argue against such ignorance.

The reality is that the Republican Party, specifically here in SC are comprised of mostly Republicans who consider themselves religious and pro-business with a minority consisting of racists who are by default of their conservative nature aligned with the current Republican party. I cannot help that you refuse to accept that there is a sub culture in this state that aligns itself with the R's. I literally cant make you believe that when you so arrogantly choose to not understand it.
 
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Once again your logic is so faulty I dont even know where to begin but I will try. Obama lost this state bigly... twice. Outside of two areas this entire state absolutely HATES OBAMA and his WIFE. Once again you prove you ridiculous bubble you have created for yourself are argue from points of incredulity. Again for the thousandth time..... Just because you cant understand how the Republican party COULD harbor these people does not mean that they have a voice powerful enough to overpower the pro business side of the party or have any power in whom the REPUBLICAN PARTY CHOOSES TO ELECT. Just becasue Tim Scott is elected has no correlation to the percentage of racist that make up the Republican party LOL. You are unreal...

The reality is that the Republican Party, specifically here in SC are comprised of mostly Republicans who consider themselves religious and pro-business with a minority consisting of racists who are by default of their conservative nature aligned with the current Republican party. I cannot help that you refuse to accept that there is a sub culture in this state that aligns itself with the R's. I literally cant make you believe that when you so arrogantly choose to not understand it.
You keep changing the point you're making so you can argue with me. For the billionth time, I'm not saying there are no racists. I'm saying there's nowhere near enough racists to make the political difference that people are attributing to Donald Trump.

I hate Barack and Michelle Obama too. That doesn't make me a racist. I also hate Lena Dunham and Michael Moore.
 

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You keep changing the point you're making so you can argue with me. For the billionth time, I'm not saying there are no racists. I'm saying there's nowhere near enough racists to make the political difference that people are attributing to Donald Trump.

I hate Barack and Michelle Obama too. That doesn't make me a racist. I also hate Lena Dunham and Michael Moore.

So you're sexist and hate people who are overweight, too. What's your point?
 
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