2016 Presidential Horse Race

[connor_in]

Clinton Foundation--A.P. Report on Clinton Meetings Delayed Three Years by State Department | National Review

 

[phgreek]

Please don't tell me you believe that shit. That crap has all been debunked. It's Breitbart, Hannity, and other alt-right psychos pushing it, and it's embarrassing to the republican Party. It's the same as the birthers and the same as the Dems pushing that Bush and the Republicans were behind 9/11. I mean, Hannity was trying to push that the Secret Service had some sort of revitalization needle on hand in case Hilary fainted (LOL) and that he had the pictures to prove it, and it turned out it was just a friggin' small flashlight, per the secret service. Give me a break.

Trump's psychos as well as his campaign, once again, prove how stupid and unprofessional they are. They are sitting on the email scandal, and they could be hammering her day after day after day, and instead, they steer attention towards a bogus health claim, which by the way, opens up her campaign to question his ridiculous note from his doctor. I mean, what doctor in his right mind would proclaim his client to be more fit than any president ever? Or say that his client tested positive for everything (so, he tested positive for cancer, AIDS, syphilis...everything?)? Or says that he has great stamina without ANY numbers to back it up?

Why the hell open yourself up to that?



Problem is:

A. the NY Post has been in bed with Trump from the beginning. It's like linking to Breitbart, or the Dems linking to the Huffington Post or Daily Kos. The slant is over-the-top.

B. Romney folks were saying the same thing (to a different degree) in '12. "The polls are skewed!" "The polls are rigged!" My dad was saying it all the time, and no matter what I told him (and I voted for Romney), it didn't matter...he was sure Romney would win easily. I could see if it was close that the NY Post’s argument could scare Dems. But it’s not even close right now. It’s a blow-out. Trump badly needs certain states and he’s losing by double digits in those states. States like Virginia (16 points!), Pennsylvania (10-12 pts), Colorado (10), Michigan (10)…he needs to flip one of those to even have a chance and it’s looking really bad.

And then you have states that shouldn’t be close like Georgia, South Carolina, North Carolina, even Iowa, that are all within the margin of error. In THOSE states, Trump better hope that your article is correct and those voters can push him over the top.

(And let’s not forget the people that are embarrassed to say they are voting for Hillary, and for people that never vote who are coming out to vote specifically against Trump. For some reason, Trump people don’t mention that those people are out there. But they are.)

Um...The only actual medical thing I mentioned was a history of fainting...she has done so by her own admission at least twice since 2005, one time resulting in a head injury. Is that false? Did I mention anything about an epi-pen or whatever the hell you are talking about? Nope.


Further, I said if Gerald Ford's stumbling ass was ok, so is Hillary. By that the only concern I acknowledged is that she may be a little unsteady on her feet. Not a sin as one approaches 70.

I also attacked the ridiculousness of the article...it did not do shit to debunk alleged Hillary issues, and merely tried to paint Trump as worse because he has a fucking happy meal or some shit. So you are left with whatever you think of Hillary already vs. a guy who eats fast food...

I also said the eye test tells me By Trumps volume of activity etc, he is clearly more vigorous and outwardly and obviously more fit and healthy...I don't need whatever the fuck that article was to help me one way or the other. You are free to argue with me on this point...I guess.

In terms of Trump's Doctor, I mocked his hyperbole already, although after I actually saw the information contained in the letter, I thought he provided reasonable data, and I wouldn't have given it much thought sans the hyperbole.

Also, I haven't seen Trumps latest round of chats in their entirety...because who would. I've Seen just excerpts, but he seems to spend a bunch of time on the components of Clinton's criminal organization...15 K new emails, pay for play, lies upon lies, and cover-ups. I maybe heard him do the medical thing once. I think the last 10 days have been about banging the criminal drum...I really can't speak to WTF his operatives do or say...so maybe they are all stuck on medical shit. I usually have CNN on in the background, so TIFWIW...but my opinion is the medical thing, seems a "and the little dog too" kinda deal.

As for the rest of it...OK, whatever...I'm not voting for a Clinton...not even with a gun to my head. I stated clearly some time ago my issue is SCOTUS...I like Trump's potential nominees...neither Clinton nor Trump deserve the office, but I'll get over myself and vote to leave my kids a SCOTUS that makes sense to me. There ya go, thats it for me.

Even if every candidate but Hillary met with an untimely demise, and Hillary was the only one...never, ever, ever going to happen....I'd vote for reincarnated or even dead Nixon first.

 

[IrishBroker]

How many times do we have to debunk the health and murder conspiracies on here? It's round and round, but yet every couple days, they reappear.

There is plenty of other issues to destroy her on. Like the foundation, email scandal,....etc.

 

[IrishBroker]

Um...The only actual medical thing I mentioned was a history of fainting...she has done so by her own admission at least twice since 2005, one time resulting in a head injury. Is that false? Did I mention anything about an epi-pen or whatever the hell you are talking about? Nope.


Further, I said if Gerald Ford's stumbling ass was ok, so is Hillary. By that the only concern I acknowledged is that she may be a little unsteady on her feet. Not a sin as one approaches 70.

I also attacked the ridiculousness of the article...it did not do shit to debunk alleged Hillary issues, and merely tried to paint Trump as worse because he has a fucking happy meal or some shit. So you are left with whatever you think of Hillary already vs. a guy who eats fast food...

I also said the eye test tells me By Trumps volume of activity etc, he is clearly more vigorous and outwardly and obviously more fit and healthy...I don't need whatever the fuck that article was to help me one way or the other. You are free to argue with me on this point...I guess.

In terms of Trump's Doctor, I mocked his hyperbole already, although after I actually saw the information contained in the letter, I thought he provided reasonable data, and I wouldn't have given it much thought sans the hyperbole.

Also, I haven't seen Trumps latest round of chats in their entirety...because who would. I've Seen just excerpts, but he seems to spend a bunch of time on the components of Clinton's criminal organization...15 K new emails, pay for play, lies upon lies, and cover-ups. I maybe heard him do the medical thing once. I think the last 10 days have been about banging the criminal drum...I really can't speak to WTF his operatives do or say...so maybe they are all stuck on medical shit. I usually have CNN on in the background, so TIFWIW...but my opinion is the medical thing, seems a "and the little dog too" kinda deal.

As for the rest of it...OK, whatever...I'm not voting for a Clinton...not even with a gun to my head. I stated clearly some time ago my issue is SCOTUS...I like Trump's potential nominees...neither Clinton nor Trump deserve the office, but I'll get over myself and vote to leave my kids a SCOTUS that makes sense to me. There ya go, thats it for me.

Even if every candidate bit Hillary met with an untimely demise, and Hillary was the only one...never, ever, ever going to happen....I'd vote for reincarnated or even dead Nixon first.

Bravo.

Nothing has been "debunked" about her health. Just attacks on Trump and right wing conspiracies

Even Dr Drew mentions her health issues and the fact that she's not being treated properly. What advantage does he have to lie?

 

[pkt77242]

Bravo.

Nothing has been "debunked" about her health. Just attacks on Trump and right wing conspiracies

Even Dr Drew mentions her health issues and the fact that she's not being treated properly. What advantage does he have to lie?

You are kidding right.

Hillary Clinton health: Debunking the conspiracy theories - CNNPolitics.com

This is getting old.

 

[IrishBroker]

You are kidding right.

Hillary Clinton health: Debunking the conspiracy theories - CNNPolitics.com

This is getting old.

I'm not kidding. All that piece did is take us through the theories and tell us they were wrong because someone in the Clinton camp said so.

And the "flashlight" excuse is hilarious. it was broad daylight...why was he carrying a small flashlight?

Do I believe all of the theories? No. But I absolutely believe that a 70yr old woman, under the stress of a campaign, has health issues.


Also, she's unfit to lead us even without health issues. LOL

 

[pkt77242]

I'm not kidding. All that piece did is take us through the theories and tell us they were wrong because someone in the Clinton camp said so.

And the "flashlight" excuse is hilarious. it was broad daylight...why was he carrying a small flashlight?

Do I believe all of the theories? No. But I absolutely believe that a 70yr old woman, under the stress of a campaign, has health issues.


Also, she's unfit to lead us even without health issues. LOL

So you didn't read the article then. It has almost no quotes from Clinton's camp. It has quotes from her doctor, it has quotes from an AP journalist who was present when one of the pictures happened, and it has information on another picture and about the original caption "spoiler she slipped on the stairs".

They also go through the lies and mistruths and use actual information to debunk it. Like how Rove said she spent a month in the hospital after bumping her head (shocker it was only 3 days).

You are seeing what you want to see (or you just didn't read the article).

 

[NDinL.A.]

Bravo.

Nothing has been "debunked" about her health. Just attacks on Trump and right wing conspiracies

Even Dr Drew mentions her health issues and the fact that she's not being treated properly. What advantage does he have to lie?

Nah, they've been debunked. I'm not going to do the research for you, but you might want to get off Breitbart and the NY Post and whatever alt-right psychos you listen to, and join the real world.

Like I said, it’s this type of thinking that shows just how much of a shit-show Trump is running. Benghazi reports come out? Let’s show everyone how racist I am and call an American judge biased against me because he’s Mexican! More bad email news comes out? Let’s talk about how women who are sexually harassed in the workplace should just “find a new job or a new career”. Finally give a (dark, screaming) speech from a teleprompter and pretend you’re ready to pivot after the RNC? Let’s ruin that the very next day by attacking Ted Cruz and bringing up his father and JFK and yet another debunked conspiracy theory.

I could go on and on about that shit-show you’re supporting. He is getting his ass kicked, just as I predicted 6 months ago, to the 2nd most disliked candidate in presidential history (Trump being the most). Why? Because of Trump being Trump (aka a disaster/maniac), being completely unfit to lead this country, and showing it literally every day. And he and his campaign being so desperate to talk about her health, and people like you lapping it up, instead of focusing on the Clinton Foundation and the emails, is just another example of how screwed up and unprofessional his campaign is. ESPECIALLY in light of how unbelievably pathetic his own doctor’s note is.

But hey, keep pushing those conspiracy theories…it seems to be working great for you guys. Rueters has you down by friggin’ 12 in a new poll, and the average is what, 7 points? Obama won by only like 3.5 points and he won in pretty much a landslide. Keep it up Trump!

(Oh, and before you go with the tired “you liberal!!! You Hillary lover!” – nope, life-long conservative who voted for Kasich in the primaries.)

 

[IrishBroker]

Nah, they've been debunked. I'm not going to do the research for you, but you might want to get off Breitbart and the NY Post and whatever alt-right psychos you listen to, and join the real world.

Like I said, it’s this type of thinking that shows just how much of a shit-show Trump is running. Benghazi reports come out? Let’s show everyone how racist I am and call an American judge biased against me because he’s Mexican! More bad email news comes out? Let’s talk about how women who are sexually harassed in the workplace should just “find a new job or a new career”. Finally give a (dark, screaming) speech from a teleprompter and pretend you’re ready to pivot after the RNC? Let’s ruin that the very next day by attacking Ted Cruz and bringing up his father and JFK and yet another debunked conspiracy theory.

I could go on and on about that shit-show you’re supporting. He is getting his ass kicked, just as I predicted 6 months ago, to the 2nd most disliked candidate in presidential history (Trump being the most). Why? Because of Trump being Trump (aka a disaster/maniac), being completely unfit to lead this country, and showing it literally every day. And he and his campaign being so desperate to talk about her health, and people like you lapping it up, instead of focusing on the Clinton Foundation and the emails, is just another example of how screwed up and unprofessional his campaign is. ESPECIALLY in light of how unbelievably pathetic his own doctor’s note is.

But hey, keep pushing those conspiracy theories…it seems to be working great for you guys. Rueters has you down by friggin’ 12 in a new poll, and the average is what, 7 points? Obama won by only like 3.5 points and he won in pretty much a landslide. Keep it up Trump!

(Oh, and before you go with the tired “you liberal!!! You Hillary lover!” – nope, life-long conservative who voted for Kasich in the primaries.)

Wow. Glad you took the time to post this Trump bashing piece to someone who can't stand the guy.

I loathe Donald Trump. He's an asshat who is in this for self serving reasons.

But Hillary Clinton is one of the most vile, disingenuous people in politics. In fact, I don't even need to attack her obvious health concerns, because she has a laundry list of failures and cover-ups that are ripe for the picking.

Talk about shit shows? Look no further than the Clinton camp. If it wasn't for Trump and his big mouth, maybe morons supporting her would actually pay attention to her corruption.

But no. They're blinded by making "herstory" and running on the same, tired, old, victimizing platform that the left has used for decades.

 

[kmoose]

You are kidding right.

Hillary Clinton health: Debunking the conspiracy theories - CNNPolitics.com

This is getting old.

Was this article edited by Jason Seher, perhaps? I hear he's pretty good.

 

[wizards8507]

Trump just flipped on immigration. Announced a policy to the left of Marco Rubio.

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

https://news.vice.com/article/trumps-kids-are-cashing-in-on-his-campaign?utm_source=vicenewstwitter

 

[NDinL.A.]

Wow. Glad you took the time to post this Trump bashing piece to someone who can't stand the guy.

I loathe Donald Trump. He's an asshat who is in this for self serving reasons.

But Hillary Clinton is one of the most vile, disingenuous people in politics. In fact, I don't even need to attack her obvious health concerns, because she has a laundry list of failures and cover-ups that are ripe for the picking.

Talk about shit shows? Look no further than the Clinton camp. If it wasn't for Trump and his big mouth, maybe morons supporting her would actually pay attention to her corruption.

But no. They're blinded by making "herstory" and running on the same, tired, old, victimizing platform that the left has used for decades.

Dude, all due respect...what election are you following? The Trump campaign is the very definition of a clown-show/shit-show, for all the reasons I outlined before and many more (like having 3 campaign managers in less than 4 months, wasting rallies in places you either have no hope of winning - Connecticut - or no chance of losing - TX, not giving your surrogates a consistent message - or any message at all - before they go on TV and make fools of themselves, having an absolutely pathetic ground game in CRUCIAL states like Florida and Ohio and NO ground game in winnable states like Colorado, etc etc etc).

On the other side, you have a well-oiled machine on the Clinton front. They were a mess in 2008, but they've learned and completely turned it around. Their ground game is on point - for example, they have 14 field offices in FL compared to ONE for Trump in the entire state. When their surrogates go on TV, they've been coached well and they stay on message and don't give conservative sites the opportunity to make their stupidity go viral ("Says who? Says who? Which polls?" amiright?), they have no leaks to the press, they have a bunch of important professional pollsters (Trump FINALLY hired one in June and won't listen to him), they have had a robust rapid response team that has crushed Trump in real-time while Trump took forever to assemble one, they helped put on a convention that as a former Republican I was extremely jealous of, etc etc etc. I could go on and on.

See, you're mistaking the clown-show candidate with the campaign as a whole. No, the strong campaign has somehow shielded the vulnerable candidate while capitalizing on Trump's Trumpiness to the point that they took a small deficit and turned it into a potential landslide. All this despite a deeply flawed, deeply vulnerable candidate ripe for the taking. And when the polls inevitably get closer (she ain't winning by 10 points, any pollster will tell you that), the Dems will still be ahead by 4-5 points, thanks to Trump's shit-show of a campaign.

 

[Buster Bluth]

Trump just flipped on immigration. Announced a policy to the left of Marco Rubio.

One has to wonder if the GOP said "your campaign is a train wreck and in the flaming crash, don't take our potential to lure Hispanics away from us for a generation, flip on immigration or we'll pull our support..."

Also, I think this video of Frank Luntz plainly stating that Rubio tried to take a moderate position but was destroyed by the real power players in the GOP, talk radio and Fox, shreds some pretty clear light on how the GOP got so extreme and why they are where they are:

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[Buster Bluth]

Bravo.

Nothing has been "debunked" about her health. Just attacks on Trump and right wing conspiracies

Even Dr Drew mentions her health issues and the fact that she's not being treated properly. What advantage does he have to lie?

Wait a minute. If she were in poor health, wouldn't that only give someone a reason to vote for her? If she has to step down, Tim Kaine is President. And of the people available, isn't Tim Kaine clearly the best choice for President?

Kaine >>>>>>>> Clinton >>>> Pence >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump

 

[phgreek]

Wait a minute. If she were in poor health, wouldn't that only give someone a reason to vote for her? If she has to step down, Tim Kaine is President. And of the people available, isn't Tim Kaine clearly the best choice for President?

Kaine >>>>>>>> Clinton >>>> Pence >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump

... I realize Vampire storylines where they live in harmony with humans, or a little kid can do magic and save the world are all the rage.

...but here in the real world there is as much chance of Hillary stepping down as there is of me voting for her in the first place. By the way this is not an endorsement of your ranking of candidates...

 

[no.1IrishFan]

Dude! Why are you posting this stuff? Do you wanna be next?

If I don't see you post for a while, I'll know crooked Hillary got another one.

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

Clinton says Trump leading 'hate movement'; he calls her a 'bigot' - CNNPolitics.com
Hillary's a bigot? A new low for Trump.

 

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[IrishJayhawk]

First, her name is spelled wrong. Second, she's not a donor, the pharma company that owns EpiPen has donated to the Clinton Foundation (ETA: To help fight HIV). Third, she ripped the company for the price hike, calling it "outrageous" and pushing them to lower the price again.

What's the conflict here? Isn't the idea that she would be easy on them because they're donors?

 

[IrishBroker]

Clinton says Trump leading 'hate movement'; he calls her a 'bigot' - CNNPolitics.com
Hillary's a bigot? A new low for Trump.

Her and the DNC...you know, all those "taco" voters.

And no way she can be racist because she has "black friends" and carries hot sauce in her purse.


(imagine if a GOPer made those comments.)

 

[ACamp1900]

First, her name is spelled wrong. Second, she's not a donor, the pharma company that owns EpiPen has donated to the Clinton Foundation (ETA: To help fight HIV). Third, she ripped the company for the price hike, calling it "outrageous" and pushing them to lower the price again.

What's the conflict here? Isn't the idea that she would be easy on them because they're donors?

So, how does being a consistent apologist for Satan make you feel?