2016 Presidential Horse Race

[IrishJayhawk]

So, how does being a consistent apologist for Satan make you feel?

Ha! Most of the complaints about her are garbage. This meme is garbage. I don't try to take on the real ones.

 

[IrishBroker]

Dude, all due respect...what election are you following? The Trump campaign is the very definition of a clown-show/shit-show, for all the reasons I outlined before and many more (like having 3 campaign managers in less than 4 months, wasting rallies in places you either have no hope of winning - Connecticut - or no chance of losing - TX, not giving your surrogates a consistent message - or any message at all - before they go on TV and make fools of themselves, having an absolutely pathetic ground game in CRUCIAL states like Florida and Ohio and NO ground game in winnable states like Colorado, etc etc etc).

On the other side, you have a well-oiled machine on the Clinton front. They were a mess in 2008, but they've learned and completely turned it around. Their ground game is on point - for example, they have 14 field offices in FL compared to ONE for Trump in the entire state. When their surrogates go on TV, they've been coached well and they stay on message and don't give conservative sites the opportunity to make their stupidity go viral ("Says who? Says who? Which polls?" amiright?), they have no leaks to the press, they have a bunch of important professional pollsters (Trump FINALLY hired one in June and won't listen to him), they have had a robust rapid response team that has crushed Trump in real-time while Trump took forever to assemble one, they helped put on a convention that as a former Republican I was extremely jealous of, etc etc etc. I could go on and on.

See, you're mistaking the clown-show candidate with the campaign as a whole. No, the strong campaign has somehow shielded the vulnerable candidate while capitalizing on Trump's Trumpiness to the point that they took a small deficit and turned it into a potential landslide. All this despite a deeply flawed, deeply vulnerable candidate ripe for the taking. And when the polls inevitably get closer (she ain't winning by 10 points, any pollster will tell you that), the Dems will still be ahead by 4-5 points, thanks to Trump's shit-show of a campaign.

You've got to be kidding me....the DNC debacle alone was worse than anything Trump has done.

Fixing the nomination with the media and freezing out Sanders. Then hire the idiot who fixed it for you. It's like a script out of a movie.

Yeah, Trump is a blowhard and says some unsavory things, but seriously.

And I actually think Clinton's numbers are inflated. This will be a true "wait and see" election.

This entire POTUS race is a shit show. You got the reality star vs the Crook. Welcome to America.


(vote Gary Johnson)

 

[IrishBroker]

First, her name is spelled wrong. Second, she's not a donor, the pharma company that owns EpiPen has donated to the Clinton Foundation (ETA: To help fight HIV). Third, she ripped the company for the price hike, calling it "outrageous" and pushing them to lower the price again.

What's the conflict here? Isn't the idea that she would be easy on them because they're donors?

So I'm assuming she'll give all her money and corporate bonuses back. You know, because she's outraged.

It's called damage control. She doesn't give two shits.

 

[Irish Insanity]

First, her name is spelled wrong. Second, she's not a donor, the pharma company that owns EpiPen has donated to the Clinton Foundation (ETA: To help fight HIV). Third, she ripped the company for the price hike, calling it "outrageous" and pushing them to lower the price again.

What's the conflict here? Isn't the idea that she would be easy on them because they're donors?

Hey, I'm just here to post pics I find funny.

So, how does being a consistent apologist for Satan make you feel?

This

So I'm assuming she'll give all her money and corporate bonuses back. You know, because she's outraged.

It's called damage control. She doesn't give two shits.

And this

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Now might be a good time to interject -
people don't pay attention to reality much, just what they want to borrow of it to support their world view.

I disliked the Clintons more and more. I couldn't figure it out. Then it occurred to me when all the information came out about the Clinton Foundation, they follow the letter of the law. They are perfect bureaucrats!

That is why I can't stand them! I think with others it is different and it goes further. To the point where some envy their ability to so effectively enrich themselves, and get so much done in a world that almost requires cheating to be effective. What is that old SEC saying about winning?

I think some of the contention in the Republican Party is over the fact that the Clintons absolutely followed the guidelines set down by the Supreme Court in 2914. A decision that was carried by the conservative voices on the court! Access is not corruption!

What ass-clowns the whole thing is. Which is what is funny when everyone is obviously dressed up as an ass-clown, and some other irate ass-clown stands up, indignantly pointing a finger, and calls someone with whom he vehemently disagrees and ass-clown!

What a bunch of ass-clowns!

 

[IrishBroker]

Now might be a good time to interject -
people don't pay attention to reality much, just what they want to borrow of it to support their world view.

I disliked the Clintons more and more. I couldn't figure it out. Then it occurred to me when all the information came out about the Clinton Foundation, they follow the letter of the law. They are perfect bureaucrats!

That is why I can't stand them! I think with others it is different and it goes further. To the point where some envy their ability to so effectively enrich themselves, and get so much done in a world that almost requires cheating to be effective. What is that old SEC saying about winning?

I think some of the contention in the Republican Party is over the fact that the Clintons absolutely followed the guidelines set down by the Supreme Court in 2914. A decision that was carried by the conservative voices on the court! Access is not corruption!

What ass-clowns the whole thing is. Which is what is funny when everyone is obviously dressed up as an ass-clown, and some other irate ass-clown stands up, indignantly pointing a finger, and calls someone with whom he vehemently disagrees and ass-clown!

What a bunch of ass-clowns!

LOL...This is great. And true.

But what I would add? Is that it's insanely hypocritical for the left to lobby against this behavior and say it's the GOP, while participating in it.

Both parties love to shout about what the other one does...while doing the same thing behind closed doors.


They're all crooks. Every one of them.

 

[ACamp1900]

LOL...This is great. And true.

But what I would add? Is that it's insanely hypocritical for the left to lobby against this behavior and say it's the GOP, while participating in it.

Both parties love to shout about what the other one does...while doing the same thing behind closed doors.


They're all crooks. Every one of them.

Not my guy!!!!! freakin bigot.

 

[IrishBroker]

Not my guy!!!!! freakin bigot.

LOL...It's never my guy either.

We're all doomed.

 

[ACamp1900]

LOL...It's never my guy either.

We're all doomed.

What do you mean "we"...


racist.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Her and the DNC...you know, all those "taco" voters.

And no way she can be racist because she has "black friends" and carries hot sauce in her purse.


(imagine if a GOPer made those comments.)

Shhhh...don't show him that. Just part of the "vast right wing conspiracy."

 

[IrishJayhawk]

LOL...This is great. And true.

But what I would add? Is that it's insanely hypocritical for the left to lobby against this behavior and say it's the GOP, while participating in it.

Both parties love to shout about what the other one does...while doing the same thing behind closed doors.


They're all crooks. Every one of them.

I agree and that's my point with Clinton. I'm not a Hillary apologist. I just think she's utterly conventional. She's not more corrupt than any other typical politician. She's just as corrupt as them. That's why I don't understand the hatred of her.

 

[IrishBroker]

I agree and that's my point with Clinton. I'm not a Hillary apologist. I just think she's utterly conventional. She's not more corrupt than any other typical politician. She's just as corrupt as them. That's why I don't understand the hatred of her.

We'll all hate someone next cycle.

Something about an old, whiny, crooked, woman. She reminds me of an awful grade school teacher who used rulers for punishment. LOL

 

[ACamp1900]

For me I think it's the fact that she has killed a few dozen people and has poor health....

 

[connor_in]

I'll just leave this here...


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[NDinL.A.]

You've got to be kidding me....the DNC debacle alone was worse than anything Trump has done.

You need to do a deep dive into Trump. That DNC debacle was child's play to what that POS has done to people. C'mon man.

Fixing the nomination with the media and freezing out Sanders. Then hire the idiot who fixed it for you. It's like a script out of a movie.

Again, the DNC and the candidate, both clown shows, are different than the campaign. Not sure why that is so hard for you to follow.

That campaign has Hillary absolutely destroying Trump, despite similar unfavorable numbers. He keeps opening his mouth and screwing up, and her campaign somehow keeps extinguishing fires while mounting a comeback against him and now leading by a wide margin. And those who follow this closely also see (especially in comparison to Trump) that her ground game - ever-important - is completely on point, her fundraising has been blowing away Trump's, her commercials have been more effective, her surrogates have been more put together, etc etc etc. It's not even close. They obviously learned from their mistakes in 2008 and, with the young campaign manager she hired leading the way, they have their shit together.

And I've always hated Clinton. But looking at it objectively, taking away both deeply flawed candidates, her campaign is so much stronger than Trump's it's not even close.

And I actually think Clinton's numbers are inflated. This will be a true "wait and see" election.

They all said the same things in 2012. It's the bury-your-head-in-the-sand tactics that Fox anchors told their viewers with Romney. And that wasn't even close. The polls are not some leftist boogie-man. Some swing left, sure, just as some swing right (like Rasmussen, which had Clinton actually expand her lead to 4 points today as opposed to last week when it was only 2). Most of them are professionals/(data nerds) that only want to be right so that they can keep their reputations alive an intact. FOX's latest poll had Clinton up nationally by 10...you think they want her to win?? And these are the same polls that had Trump winning the primaries - which they nailed - which makes it even funnier now that Trump denounces them where as before he couldn't stop tweeting about them lol.

Like I said, the polls will tighten, and Trump and his team will claim the tide is turning and that they will win, but unless there is another major terrorist attack, or she completely shits the bed in the debates (if she can keep the debates on issues, he is sunk because he's such a moron. If he can turn it into a mudslinging contest, then she could be in trouble), Trump is toast. Nobody ever losing this bad coming out of the conventions has come back to win the popular vote. Ever.

This entire POTUS race is a shit show. You got the reality star vs the Crook. Welcome to America.

He's a crook too, and a massive liar too, but I agree.

(vote Gary Johnson)

I tried to give that party a chance. I really did. But two things:

1. True libertarians are pretty much anarchists. That's not for me.

2. If you want me to take you seriously as a party, you need to be serious as a party. I followed their convention closely, hoping to see them persuade me to vote for their party. Instead, it was a weirdo-fest of the highest order. Presidential candidates stripping to their boxes on stage? Another candidate dressed up in different costumes every day? The crowd booing loudly every time Gary Johnson said something sensible about the govt? And that's only the tip of the iceberg. I have no problem with people voting for him, especially given their options, but I gave them a chance and it just wasn't for me, personally.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I tried to give that party a chance. I really did. But two things:

1. True libertarians are pretty much anarchists. That's not for me.

2. If you want me to take you seriously as a party, you need to be serious as a party. I followed their convention closely, hoping to see them persuade me to vote for their party. Instead, it was a weirdo-fest of the highest order. Presidential candidates stripping to their boxes on stage? Another candidate dressed up in different costumes every day? The crowd booing loudly every time Gary Johnson said something sensible about the govt? And that's only the tip of the iceberg. I have no problem with people voting for him, especially given their options, but I gave them a chance and it just wasn't for me, personally.

I used to be an avid libertarian, but I had the same experience. I'll be writing in a vote for the American Solidarity Party instead.

 

[Irishman77]

who cares...the bankers will get their puppet regardless. Until we wake up and have a revolution , overthrow this shadow gov't and abolish the federal reserve, it's all Hulk Hogan vs Randy Macho Man Savage to me.

 

[IrishBroker]

Problem is, even if you don't buy into all of libertarianism, we are going to keep having these morons in office until someone else threatens them. There is no "perfect" party or candidate. Hell, I don't even agree with everything they sell.

The best shot is Johnson.

And don't worry, he won't get most of the "crazy" stuff through congress anyway.


Whiskey, I'm going to look into that party you mentioned. Thanks for the link. I'm always looking for other POV's

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Problem is, even if you don't buy into all of libertarianism, we are going to keep having these morons in office until someone else threatens them. There is no "perfect" party or candidate. Hell, I don't even agree with everything they sell.

I can very much sympathize with this perspective, but the populist energy animating Trump's and Bernie's supporters isn't going away. Those two guys are, in a lot of ways, very flawed candidates for the movements they represent. Going forward, as more articulate and credible candidates come forward to take on the populist mantle, it's going to be much harder for the Establishment to brush them aside again.

Put another way, the sorts of politicians you oppose are likely on their way out soon one way or another. A Clinton victory this November will only accelerate that process.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

I used to be an avid libertarian, but I had the same experience. I'll be writing in a vote for the American Solidarity Party instead.

Read it. Need to dive in a little deeper. On the surface, I like it. I don't oppose gay marriage though, and given the amount of friends and family of mine who are homosexual, it's almost a deal-breaker for me.

Thanks for the link, Whiskey.

 

[EddytoNow]

You need to do a deep dive into Trump. That DNC debacle was child's play to what that POS has done to people. C'mon man.



Again, the DNC and the candidate, both clown shows, are different than the campaign. Not sure why that is so hard for you to follow.

That campaign has Hillary absolutely destroying Trump, despite similar unfavorable numbers. He keeps opening his mouth and screwing up, and her campaign somehow keeps extinguishing fires while mounting a comeback against him and now leading by a wide margin. And those who follow this closely also see (especially in comparison to Trump) that her ground game - ever-important - is completely on point, her fundraising has been blowing away Trump's, her commercials have been more effective, her surrogates have been more put together, etc etc etc. It's not even close. They obviously learned from their mistakes in 2008 and, with the young campaign manager she hired leading the way, they have their shit together.

And I've always hated Clinton. But looking at it objectively, taking away both deeply flawed candidates, her campaign is so much stronger than Trump's it's not even close.



They all said the same things in 2012. It's the bury-your-head-in-the-sand tactics that Fox anchors told their viewers with Romney. And that wasn't even close. The polls are not some leftist boogie-man. Some swing left, sure, just as some swing right (like Rasmussen, which had Clinton actually expand her lead to 4 points today as opposed to last week when it was only 2). Most of them are professionals/(data nerds) that only want to be right so that they can keep their reputations alive an intact. FOX's latest poll had Clinton up nationally by 10...you think they want her to win?? And these are the same polls that had Trump winning the primaries - which they nailed - which makes it even funnier now that Trump denounces them where as before he couldn't stop tweeting about them lol.

Like I said, the polls will tighten, and Trump and his team will claim the tide is turning and that they will win, but unless there is another major terrorist attack, or she completely shits the bed in the debates (if she can keep the debates on issues, he is sunk because he's such a moron. If he can turn it into a mudslinging contest, then she could be in trouble), Trump is toast. Nobody ever losing this bad coming out of the conventions has come back to win the popular vote. Ever.



He's a crook too, and a massive liar too, but I agree.



I tried to give that party a chance. I really did. But two things:

1. True libertarians are pretty much anarchists. That's not for me.

2. If you want me to take you seriously as a party, you need to be serious as a party. I followed their convention closely, hoping to see them persuade me to vote for their party. Instead, it was a weirdo-fest of the highest order. Presidential candidates stripping to their boxes on stage? Another candidate dressed up in different costumes every day? The crowd booing loudly every time Gary Johnson said something sensible about the govt? And that's only the tip of the iceberg. I have no problem with people voting for him, especially given their options, but I gave them a chance and it just wasn't for me, personally.

You are absolutely correct with the bolded statements. Both parties have terrible candidates. One of the two has an efficient, well-oiled campaign. The other has a campaign with no message and no direction. The Clinton campaign is simply trouncing the Trump campaign.

Now ask yourself, which of the two is better qualified to preside over our country. Trump can't manage a campaign. How is he going to manage multiple national issues on a daily basis? Clinton's campaign is chugging along smoothly. She has assembled a team that can stay on message and get things done. Isn't that what a leader does? Isn't it the role of a leader to select and organize a team to work together to get things done? Hillary and the Democrats as a whole seem to be very good at that.

Trump once again has a new team leading his campaign, but they are pulling in different directions. His team is constantly in the position of cleaning up the messes he creates. Conway actually has a calm, reassuring personality that will be good for the campaign, but her message and Trump's rhetoric don't match. Throw in the mudslinging approach of Bannon and the Breitbart crew, and Conway's message is overshadowed by the "Burn It All Down and Start Over" crowd that forms the core of Trump's support. And what's up with Trump's appeals to Blacks and Hispanics? If he really wants their votes, he's not going to get them by holding rallies with all-white, red state audiences. If Trump wants to change the negative perception that Blacks and Hispanics have about him, he needs to go to their neighborhoods and their communities, and face unfiltered audiences with tough questions. The message out of the Trump campaign is that either the candidate is not listening to those on his team or the team is not listening to the candidate.

 

[Bishop2b5]

I agree and that's my point with Clinton. I'm not a Hillary apologist. I just think she's utterly conventional. She's not more corrupt than any other typical politician. She's just as corrupt as them. That's why I don't understand the hatred of her.

Umm, no. She's the worst I've ever seen in this department. World class, gold medal, all pro. Raised the bar to new heights in an already crowded and talented field. She's the poster child for corrupt, dishonest politicians. She is to corrupt and dishonest politicians what Jello is to bland gelatinous desserts; what Adriana Lima is to tall, smokin' hot models; what The Fonz jumping a shark is to... well, jumping the shark. The worst, the mostest, the be all, end all of crooked, dishonest, no integrity, corruption amongst a field who are the epitome of such things. She is the GOAT.

 

[phgreek]

Umm, no. She's the worst I've ever seen in this department. World class, gold medal, all pro. Raised the bar to new heights in an already crowded and talented field. She's the poster child for corrupt, dishonest politicians. She is to corrupt and dishonest politicians what Jello is to bland gelatinous desserts; what Adriana Lima is to tall, smokin' hot models; what The Fonz jumping a shark is to... well, jumping the shark. The worst, the mostest, the be all, end all of crooked, dishonest, no integrity, corruption amongst a field who are the epitome of such things. She is the GOAT.

Yea, I don't see anything like her happening again in my lifetime. She absolutely set up a server to cover her own dealings at the potential expense of Human intelligence...ie she could have gotten someone killed, so she could keep her own server of nefarious shit away from the light of day. I can think of few things more disgusting...outside actually selling secrets.

I mean you can see how entitled political people might rig real estate deals for themselves, or award contracts in order to layer the nest at retirement...that kinda shit. I still believe that is criminal, but on the order of theft. What she did to promote her own self-interest potentially endangered this country, its interests, and its "forward guard" intelligence PEOPLE. That is beyond "Normal" politician conduct...by light years.

SMDH.

 

[Buster Bluth]

I can very much sympathize with this perspective, but the populist energy animating Trump's and Bernie's supporters isn't going away. Those two guys are, in a lot of ways, very flawed candidates for the movements they represent. Going forward, as more articulate and credible candidates come forward to take on the populist mantle, it's going to be much harder for the Establishment to brush them aside again.

Put another way, the sorts of politicians you oppose are likely on their way out soon one way or another. A Clinton victory this November will only accelerate that process.

2018 and 2020 are going to be incredibly interesting, particularly in the GOP realm.

 

[connor_in]

VIDEO=> KKK Grand Dragon Endorses Hillary Clinton

 

[IrishJayhawk]

VIDEO=> KKK Grand Dragon Endorses Hillary Clinton

KKK Endorses Hillary Clinton : snopes.com

Although this information was widely disseminated on social media as straightforward fact, all sources pointed back to a 14 March 2016 article from the UK's Telegraph in which Quigg had purportedly revealed his new pro-Clinton agenda. However, it didn't take much of a skeptical eye to conclude that Quigg was likely pulling the news outlet's leg:

He was unwilling to disclose how he learned of Mrs Clinton’s “hidden agenda”.

“I cannot reveal my sources,” he said. “It’s my opinion — if you know what I mean, wink, wink. I don’t want her to come back and say I’m slandering her.”

Mr Quigg warmly endorsed the Republican candidate’s plan to ban Muslims from the US and to expel 11 million illegal immigrants ... Asked why he was not therefore supporting Mr Trump, Mr Quigg replied: “We don’t like his hair. We think it’s a toupee. He won’t do what he says he will do. He says he’s going to build a 20-foot high fence along with border with Mexico and make them pay. How’s he going to do that?”

Professor Brian Levin of the Center for the Study of Hate and Extremism at California State University in San Bernardino said as much to The Telegraph about the claim:

Prof Levin, a former New York police officer, was sceptical of Mr Quigg’s renunciation. “Based on his past statements, it doesn’t appear highly credible that he has changed his effusive allegiance to Donald Trump,” he said. “The timing seems suspect. I think this is a function of not wanting to undermine the Trump campaign [by openly endorsing it]."

So while it's true that The Telegraph reported (and other outlets disseminated) Quigg's claim that the KKK was now supporting Hillary Clinton and had donated $20,000 to her campaign, that assertion was widely deemed not to be credible by sources familiar with such groups. Moreover, Quigg neither presented proof of his claims nor discussed them seriously.

 

[IrishBroker]

2018 and 2020 are going to be incredibly interesting, particularly in the GOP realm.

I agree.

I'm interested to see who they run out there. I firmly believe if it's someone halfway decent, Clinton or Trump will be one term. Either will be a disaster so it shouldn't be hard to win the presidency.

 

[phgreek]

KKK Endorses Hillary Clinton : snopes.com

I think it boils down to this...

Just because the school whore likes you doesn't mean you are in...

I don't think who endorses you should matter until you "accept" said endorsement. Seems like Media loves to come up with some grand scheme about how folks come to get an endorsement...then they try and do the guilt by association thing...

All I can say is, I can remember a friend lighting me up over some girl who said she like me...when we were 13.

I don't think Trump wanted love from the KKK, not do I think Hillary wants it...

You could argue Trump did some dumb re-tweeting w/o sourcing...but if that were a crime...good hell.

 

[EddytoNow]

I think it boils down to this...

Just because the school whore likes you doesn't mean you are in...

I don't think who endorses you should matter until you "accept" said endorsement. Seems like Media loves to come up with some grand scheme about how folks come to get an endorsement...then they try and do the guilt by association thing...

All I can say is, I can remember a friend lighting me up over some girl who said she like me...when we were 13.

I don't think Trump wanted love from the KKK, not do I think Hillary wants it...

You could argue Trump did some dumb re-tweeting w/o sourcing...but if that were a crime...good hell.

If that is true, he's got to quit doing dumb shit like appointing Bannon as CEO of his campaign. The closer his ties to Breitbart, the more believable are charges that he seeks out the support of extremists, the KKK being only one such group. Clinton has neither sought nor accepted the support of any white supremacist group.

 

[IrishBroker]

If that is true, he's got to quit doing dumb shit like appointing Bannon as CEO of his campaign. The closer his ties to Breitbart, the more believable are charges that he seeks out the support of extremists, the KKK being only one such group. Clinton has neither sought nor accepted the support of any white supremacist group.

So you'll agree that Mother Jones and the Atlantic are tied to the New Black Panther party? Or ISIS?


Absurd to attempt to link Breitbart to the KKK.


And POTUS candidates cannot control who supports them. Should we link Obama to the Black Panthers standing outside the voting booths in Philly, intimidating people?