2016 Presidential Horse Race

[NDinL.A.]

Absurd to attempt to link Breitbart to the KKK.


And POTUS candidates cannot control who supports them. Should we link Obama to the Black Panthers standing outside the voting booths in Philly, intimidating people?

Have you read Breitbart? Sadly, they aren't that far off. There are former employees that are so embarassed by the new turn Breitbart took under Bannon that they have erased that part of their resume, even though the black hole on their resume that replaced it looks looks bad. My African-American friends that follow this election said that, for them (3 guys in their mid-to-late 30's), him hiring Bannon from Beitbart to be his CEO was a big slap in the face to the Black community and made Donald's outreach to their community this week an absolute joke.

Trump has done a TON of stuff throughout the years to piss off the Black community, so none of this is new nor should it be a surprise to anyone who has followed him. You're absolutely right...a candidate cannot control who supports them, but they sure as hell can disavow them quickly. Trump had that chance with David Duke and white supremacists and straight up lied ("I don't even know David Duke" - he brought him up in several interviews years before) and then refused to disavow the white supremacists because he wasn't sure which ones the interviewer was talking about. Sure, he later blamed a faulty earpiece (LOL) and then disavowed them several times, but the damage was already done.

He loves to compare himself to Reagan (another LOL), so he should have done what Reagan did, and publicly and nationally basically tell the KKK to fuck off. But he didn't. So he's reaping what he has sown.

 

[EddytoNow]

So you'll agree that Mother Jones and the Atlantic are tied to the New Black Panther party? Or ISIS?


Absurd to attempt to link Breitbart to the KKK.


And POTUS candidates cannot control who supports them. Should we link Obama to the Black Panthers standing outside the voting booths in Philly, intimidating people?

Did Barack Obama appoint a member of the Black Panther Party or ISIS as the CEO of his Presidential campaign? Did Barack Obama appoint someone from Mother Jones or the Atlantic to his campaign staff? Trump should have stopped after appointing Kelly Ann Conway to run his campaign. Adding Bannon from Breitbart sends the wrong message at a time he's trying to appeal to a wider pool of voters.

 

[IrishBroker]

Have you read Breitbart? Sadly, they aren't that far off. There are former employees that are so embarassed by the new turn Breitbart took under Bannon that they have erased that part of their resume, even though the black hole on their resume that replaced it looks looks bad. My African-American friends that follow this election said that, for them (3 guys in their mid-to-late 30's), him hiring Bannon from Beitbart to be his CEO was a big slap in the face to the Black community and made Donald's outreach to their community this week an absolute joke.

Trump has done a TON of stuff throughout the years to piss off the Black community, so none of this is new nor should it be a surprise to anyone who has followed him. You're absolutely right...a candidate cannot control who supports them, but they sure as hell can disavow them quickly. Trump had that chance with David Duke and white supremacists and straight up lied ("I don't even know David Duke" - he brought him up in several interviews years before) and then refused to disavow the white supremacists because he wasn't sure which ones the interviewer was talking about. Sure, he later blamed a faulty earpiece (LOL) and then disavowed them several times, but the damage was already done.

He loves to compare himself to Reagan (another LOL), so he should have done what Reagan did, and publicly and nationally basically tell the KKK to fuck off. But he didn't. So he's reaping what he has sown.

Gimmie a break. Other than your own bias, you have nothing to link them. You don't like their POV, so they must be racist and "basically" the KKK....LOL


And what exactly has Hillary done for the Black community? Because Trump has hired 100's, if not 1000's of Blacks during his career. Glad you have that group of black friends. I have black friends too...and they don't vote because of who they are TOLD to vote for. Yeah, Trump is unsavory, but they know dems have been race pimping for decades and haven't done a damn thing for them.

I don't see Hillary telling extremists on the left to "fuck off". Votes are votes. That is a sad fact in politics.

This sums it up

Houston activist Quanell X has endorsed Donald Trump, sort of - Houston Chronicle

 

[IrishBroker]

Did Barack Obama appoint a member of the Black Panther Party or ISIS as the CEO of his Presidential campaign? Did Barack Obama appoint someone from Mother Jones or the Atlantic to his campaign staff? Trump should have stopped after appointing Kelly Ann Conway to run his campaign. Adding Bannon from Breitbart sends the wrong message at a time he's trying to appeal to a wider pool of voters.

How does that endorse the KKK? How in the hell does that comparison hold any water?


That is the point.

And Hillary appointed a person who was caught FIXING THE PRIMARIES. Seriously

 

[BGIF]

How does that endorse the KKK? How in the hell does that comparison hold any water?


That is the point.

And Hillary rewarded a person who was caught FIXING THE PRIMARIES. Seriously

Fixed it for you.

 

[IrishBroker]

Fixed it for you.

LOL. Thank you

 

[phgreek]

If that is true, he's got to quit doing dumb shit like appointing Bannon as CEO of his campaign. The closer his ties to Breitbart, the more believable are charges that he seeks out the support of extremists, the KKK being only one such group. Clinton has neither sought nor accepted the support of any white supremacist group.

Dude...What in the ever loving hell does Brietbart, Bannon have to do with the KKK endorsing either candidate??? They have ZERO to do with one another.

 

[EddytoNow]

Dude...What in the ever loving hell does Brietbart, Bannon have to do with the KKK endorsing either candidate??? They have ZERO to do with one another.

Perhaps you should read this article by former Breitbart employee, Ben Shapiro, on how Breitbart has been taken over by Bannon and others and become a tool for racist propaganda.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/post...ust-took-over-the-gop/?utm_term=.f69f7eb3e4e7

 

[NDinL.A.]

Gimmie a break. Other than your own bias, you have nothing to link them. You don't like their POV, so they must be racist and "basically" the KKK....LOL


And what exactly has Hillary done for the Black community? Because Trump has hired 100's, if not 1000's of Blacks during his career. Glad you have that group of black friends. I have black friends too...and they don't vote because of who they are TOLD to vote for. Yeah, Trump is unsavory, but they know dems have been race pimping for decades and haven't done a damn thing for them.

I don't see Hillary telling extremists on the left to "fuck off". Votes are votes. That is a sad fact in politics.

This sums it up

Houston activist Quanell X has endorsed Donald Trump, sort of - Houston Chronicle

Whoosh, over your head.

I never talked about Hillary. I talked about Trump. I guess my Black friends are about 1000x's smarter than yours bc not only do they not let anyone tell them who to vote for, they also won't vote for Trump bc he's shown with his actions and words what a racist POS he is. From the housing scandal in the 70's, to racist comments he made to workers in the 90's that he wouldn't even deny saying, to the full page ads he took out demanding the death penalty to the teenagers who didn't even friggin' commit the crime, to saying an American judge was biased against him because he was "Mexican, and I'm building a wall", to lying and saying he didn't know David Duke and refusing to immediately disavow him...the dude can pretend all he wants that he's not a racist, but if that were the case then he might want to stop acting like one.

It's not just me saying. Fellow respected Republicans have said it.

As for Breitbart, yeah, not only do I disagree with them, but yes, they are racist. Their own former employees have said it and quit because of it. Go ahead and stick your head further in the sand and pretend those assholes aren't racist and pretend Trump is above board bc he hired Blacks (who he then called lazy and untrustworthy of handling his money), but not me. I've seen right through his ass (and Breitbart) from jump.

 

[ACamp1900]

We should do a politics hot or not...

Much more fun,..

Michelle Malkin, GO!

( def hot IMO)

 

[woolybug25]

It's of course hearsay, but I buy it...

The first-person account of at least one black Trump casino employee in Atlantic City suggests the racist practices were consistent with Trump’s personal behavior toward black workers.

“When Donald and Ivana came to the casino, the bosses would order all the black people off the floor,” Kip Brown, a former employee at Trump’s Castle, told the New Yorker for a September article. “It was the eighties, I was a teen-ager, but I remember it: they put us all in the back.”

Trump disparaged his black casino employees as “lazy” in vividly bigoted terms, according to a 1991 book by John O’Donnell, a former president of Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino.

“And isn’t it funny. I’ve got black accountants at Trump Castle and Trump Plaza. Black guys counting my money! I hate it,” O’Donnell recalled Trump saying. “The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day.”

“I think the guy is lazy,” Trump said of a black employee, according to O’Donnell. “And it’s probably not his fault because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It’s not anything they can control.”

Here Are 13 Examples Of Donald Trump Being Racist

 

[phgreek]

Perhaps you should read this article by former Breitbart employee, Ben Shapiro, on how Breitbart has been taken over by Bannon and others and become a tool for racist propaganda.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/post...ust-took-over-the-gop/?utm_term=.f69f7eb3e4e7

I believe there is certainly a nationalist populist movement...as well there should be. It is documented throughout history Borders, Common language, and some cultural identity are pretty important to a nation. It is dumb to make it a goal to undermine these things...a nationalist, populist movement SHOULD spring up.

However that is a FAR cry from race-based tribalism, or whatever this article was spewing. Sure...I can guess there are some that use the common thread of "nationalism" to try and legitimize their prejudices and hate...however, I believe that the race-based tribalism image is a concoction...just like the image hung on the Tea Party...another label applied from shrieking team sporters to silence descent...Yawn.

 

[ACamp1900]

I know this, in times of crisis you can rely on Trump, he proved that much in Gremlins 2... Dude kicked the New Batch's ass.

 

[Wild Bill]

We should do a politics hot or not...

Much more fun,..

Michelle Malkin, GO!

( def hot IMO)

She's in my wheelhouse.

 

[phgreek]

I know this, in times of crisis you can rely on Trump, he proved that much in Gremlins 2... Dude kicked the New Batch's ass.

Was he in that...

Phoebe Cates...thats all I remember...first time I saw her in a movie she didn't get neked...I don't recall much about it, other than she was in it...To me she was the hottest chick ever.

Does she count in the political thingy? I'll take her.

 

[woolybug25]

Was he in that...

Phoebe Cates...thats all I remember...first time I saw her in a movie she didn't get neked...I don't recall much about it, other than she was in it...To me she was the hottest chick ever.

Does she count in the political thingy? I'll take her.

He was parodied by a character named Daniel Clamp.

 

[ACamp1900]

She's married the Kevin Kline... No bs... Loved phoebe cates

 

[phgreek]

He was parodied by a character named Daniel Clamp.

thank you...the campaign poster is gold BTW

 

[phgreek]

She's married the Kevin Kline... No bs... Loved phoebe cates

Lucky Bastard...

 

[ACamp1900]

I love how Hillary is hanging over his left shoulder...

 

[phgreek]

I love how Hillary is hanging over his left shoulder...

must be bed time cause I laughed....

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Conservative columnist, Jennifer Rubin, weighs in.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...ewers-trump-on-racism/?utm_term=.951f242cfb0e

#NeverTrump Republicans knew even a minimally competent Democrat could destroy Donald Trump in the general election. By using his own words and associations, a picture — accurate and deserved — of an unhinged racist and misogynist would emerge. Today, Hillary Clinton painted the picture for Americans, reiterating what the Republican National Committee dullards who backed him failed to appreciate: No one like Trump should become president of the United States.

She began, “From the start, Donald Trump has built his campaign on prejudice and paranoia. He’s taking hate groups mainstream and helping a radical fringe take over one of America’s two major political parties. His disregard for the values that make our country great is profoundly dangerous.” She then proceeded to make an airtight case — starting with condemnation for his stereotyping of African Americans:

“Poverty. Rejection. Horrible education. No housing. No homes. No ownership.

Crime at levels nobody has seen. Right now … you walk down the street, you get shot.”

Those are his words. …

Donald Trump misses so much.

He doesn’t see the success of black leaders in every field. The vibrancy of black-owned businesses, the strength of the black church. He doesn’t see the excellence of historically black colleges and universities or the pride of black parents watching their children thrive. … He certainly doesn’t have any solutions to take on the reality of systemic racism and create more equity and opportunity in communities of color. It takes a lot of nerve to ask people he’s ignored and mistreated for decades, “What do you have to lose?” The answer is everything!

This was entirely accurate. It is inexcusable that a presidential campaign would present — not ad-libbed, but in a speech fed into a teleprompter — such a biased and inaccurate view of African Americans.

 

[phgreek]

Conservative columnist, Jennifer Rubin, weighs in.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...ewers-trump-on-racism/?utm_term=.951f242cfb0e

...I guess One could take all the trumpisms, and dismiss him. Totally understand. But I hope the underlying message makes it to the impoverished. Which is try something different if you don't like the answers to the following questions...

What, in the last decade, has helped your children escape poverty. Are your schools ok? Are your children safe? Do you have a job, or feel you have any hope to get one? If you are working, did you make more money 10 years ago? How has voting along identity lines worked out for you in the last 10 years?

By all means dismiss Trump for being all of those things he is said to be...but I'd suggest poor folk not forget the questions he is asking...

 

[EddytoNow]

...I guess One could take all the trumpisms, and dismiss him. Totally understand. But I hope the underlying message makes it to the impoverished. Which is try something different if you don't like the answers to the following questions...

What, in the last decade, has helped your children escape poverty. Are your schools ok? Are your children safe? Do you have a job, or feel you have any hope to get one? If you are working, did you make more money 10 years ago? How has voting along identity lines worked out for you in the last 10 years?

By all means dismiss Trump for being all of those things he is said to be...but I'd suggest poor folk not forget the questions he is asking...

Trump's problems with black voters can be summed up in his campaign slogan "Make America Great Again" The word "again" implies going back to a previous point in history when things were just wonderful. The only problem is that things weren't so wonderful for Black families back in this imaginary time in history. Large segments of Black society, particularly the inner-cities and rural areas, have been left out of black progress since the Civil Rights Movement of the 1960's. But in Trump's imaginary "Golden Years" of America's history, pretty much every Black person was left out, and large numbers of women were also left out.

Do you honestly expect large numbers of Black voters to place their hope in a man who discriminated against them in housing, said they couldn't be trusted to hold his money, and asked that they remove themselves from the room before he and his wife would enter? In answer to Trump's question "Are you better off today than you were before?", the answer for many Blacks is "Yes." And the ones who answer "No" don't want to go backwards to some Shangrila that never included them, they want to move forward. They look at the crowds at Trump rallies and don't see anyone that looks like them. They look at the crowds supporting Hillary and they see a party that welcomes them with open arms.

 

[kmoose]

Trump's problems with black voters can be summed up in his campaign slogan "Make America Great Again" The word "again" implies going back to a previous point in history when things were just wonderful. The only problem is that things weren't so wonderful for Black families back in this imaginary time in history. Large segments of Black society, particularly the inner-cities and rural areas, have been left out of black progress since the Civil Rights Movement of the 1960's. But in Trump's imaginary "Golden Years" of America's history, pretty much every Black person was left out, and large numbers of women were also left out.

Do you honestly expect large numbers of Black voters to place their hope in a man who discriminated against them in housing, said they couldn't be trusted to hold his money, and asked that they remove themselves from the room before he and his wife would enter? In answer to Trump's question "Are you better off today than you were before?", the answer for many Blacks is "Yes." And the ones who answer "No" don't want to go backwards to some Shangrila that never included them, they want to move forward. They look at the crowds at Trump rallies and don't see anyone that looks like them. They look at the crowds supporting Hillary and they see a party that welcomes them with open arms.

Trump's problem with black voters is that they listen to too many people like you: People that WANT a Republican candidate to be racist, so that your team can win. You can point to a lot of things about Trump's past, and honestly say that they call into question his views on race..... but "Make America Great Again" is NOT one of them. Liberals bash Trump for his fear mongering. Yet, THEY are the ones creating fear in the Black communities, that somehow if Trump gets elected, we will go back to the segregation and discrimination of the 40s. What Trump is saying is NOT "let's get back to Black people being denied equal opportunity and basic rights like the ability to own a home or pursue the career that they want". What he's saying is "Let's get back to the situation where America was by far the leading producer of goods in the world. We produced the most goods, the most innovative goods, and the best quality goods. And our economy was strong, and people were prosperous." When we say that we want Notre Dame to return to its glory days, we aren't saying that we want the coaches to recruit 220 lb. offensive linemen, or 140 lb. tailbacks. We're saying that we want to win again. That we want to be simultaneously feared and respected again.

 

[MJ12666]

Conservative columnist, Jennifer Rubin, weighs in.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...ewers-trump-on-racism/?utm_term=.951f242cfb0e

"NeverTrump Republicans knew even a minimally competent Democrat could destroy Donald Trump in the general election. By using his own words and associations, a picture — accurate and deserved — of an unhinged racist and misogynist would emerge. Today, Hillary Clinton painted the picture for Americans, reiterating what the Republican National Committee dullards who backed him failed to appreciate: No one like Trump should become president of the United States.

She began, “From the start, Donald Trump has built his campaign on prejudice and paranoia. He’s taking hate groups mainstream and helping a radical fringe take over one of America’s two major political parties. His disregard for the values that make our country great is profoundly dangerous.” She then proceeded to make an airtight case — starting with condemnation for his stereotyping of African Americans:

“Poverty. Rejection. Horrible education. No housing. No homes. No ownership.

Crime at levels nobody has seen. Right now … you walk down the street, you get shot.”

Those are his words. …

Donald Trump misses so much.

He doesn’t see the success of black leaders in every field. The vibrancy of black-owned businesses, the strength of the black church. He doesn’t see the excellence of historically black colleges and universities or the pride of black parents watching their children thrive. … He certainly doesn’t have any solutions to take on the reality of systemic racism and create more equity and opportunity in communities of color. It takes a lot of nerve to ask people he’s ignored and mistreated for decades, “What do you have to lose?” The answer is everything!

This was entirely accurate. It is inexcusable that a presidential campaign would present — not ad-libbed, but in a speech fed into a teleprompter — such a biased and inaccurate view of African Americans."


One of the first articles that I read this morning was about D. Wade's cousin getting shot while walking down the street on her way to registering her child for school. Makes me think that6 Ms. Rubin has no idea what she is talking about.

Dwyane Wade's Cousin Fatally Shot Pushing Baby Stroller in Chicago - ABC News

 

[phgreek]

Trump's problems with black voters can be summed up in his campaign slogan "Make America Great Again" The word "again" implies going back to a previous point in history when things were just wonderful. The only problem is that things weren't so wonderful for Black families back in this imaginary time in history. Large segments of Black society, particularly the inner-cities and rural areas, have been left out of black progress since the Civil Rights Movement of the 1960's. But in Trump's imaginary "Golden Years" of America's history, pretty much every Black person was left out, and large numbers of women were also left out.

Do you honestly expect large numbers of Black voters to place their hope in a man who discriminated against them in housing, said they couldn't be trusted to hold his money, and asked that they remove themselves from the room before he and his wife would enter? In answer to Trump's question "Are you better off today than you were before?", the answer for many Blacks is "Yes." And the ones who answer "No" don't want to go backwards to some Shangrila that never included them, they want to move forward. They look at the crowds at Trump rallies and don't see anyone that looks like them. They look at the crowds supporting Hillary and they see a party that welcomes them with open arms.

I don't get you guys...I CLEALRY SAID I DIDN'T THINK THEY'D VOTE FOR TRUMP... I hope they keep considering those things he's forced them to consider... I do expect they have the self awareness, honesty, and courage to repeat the questions until they can ask different ones.

Most people stuck in Baltimore over 50 would certainly recall racial unrest, and strife, but I bet they'd GLADLY take 1975 Baltimore neighborhoods, living standards, etc. It is the same in most cities... They'd take the neighborhood they HAD over their current, or future one...yet they vote the same year in and year out...God help them, because they aren't taking the one tool they have, and using it wisely.

 

[ACamp1900]

I think the make great again stuff shows how obsessed with race and making everything about it the left has become,... It's really stunning,... I'm not voting for Trump,... But the lefts critiques of that slogan are pathetic... It's not saying, 'let's go back to slavery or pre civil rights!!' It's certainly not saying, ' segregation now, segregation forever.'... Its not saying to 'go back' to anything,... It's implying we aren't the great country we once were ( which just about every main contributor to this thread has conceded) so let's work to move forward and make it great in a whole new way...


But the left does what they do...

All race, all divide, all the time.

 

[GoIrish41]

I think the make great again stuff shows how obsessed with race and making everything about it the left has become,... It's really stunning,... I'm not voting for Trump,... But the lefts critiques of that slogan are pathetic... It's not saying, 'let's go back to slavery or pre civil rights!!' It's certainly not saying, ' segregation now, segregation forever.'... Its not saying to 'go back' to anything,... It's implying we aren't the great country we once were ( which just about every main contributor to this thread has conceded) so let's work to move forward and make it great in a whole new way...


But the left does what they do...

All race, all divide, all the time.

The left isn't talking about deporting people or suggesting that Latinos cannot be trusted as judges, even if they are born in Indiana. The left didn't discriminate against blacks trying to buy an apartment and retweet a bunch of anti Semitic garbage to millions of people. It's ok if you disagree with the conclusions of the left, but it seems odd that you cannot see any merit in them when the right's candidate has made race a centerpiece of his campaign.

I hardly think his theme of "making America great again" should be disconnected from everything else he has said over the past year -- a lot of which had pretty obvious racial overtones. If his specific policies recommended are not meant to be things that will contribute to making America great again, they are just empty words. Yet he keeps repeating them and intermixed them with derogatory things he says about minorities.

I can understand the distaste for over the top political correctness and insertion of race into all things political, but Trump has created this, not the left. The left has been pointing out that there are elements of the right that have harboured resentment toward minorities for years. Trump pulled back the curtain and exposed this disease on the right. And as all of us are judged on with whom we keep company, some are unfortunately, perhaps unfairly, lumped in with the worst of the party's membership. Alas the right has grown tired of being identified with them ... tired of having to defend them against the collective image of a party tainted by a bigoted minority. The left can either stop pointing out their obvious bigotry or the right can root this cancer of of its party. I would not hold my breath waiting for the left to stop calling out obvious racist statements as if Trumps rhetoric is some kind of new normal. Racial fairness and social justice are kind of their core beliefs.

 

[drayer54]

But the left does what they do...

All race, all divide, all the time.

Was that statement brought to us by your white privilege?

The Kaepernicks/Liberals of the world love to divide us by economics, social issues, and most recently, skin color. It's what they do. That's why the conventions have been gay/tranny/black/native american/ have a penis but dont acknowledge it/hispanic/biracial/ triracial/ rhombus racial/ neutral identity celebration parties.

It's a fair reason white finance guys from corn country struggle to love the democrats. That doesn't make you a racist.

Democrats have been picking easy issues to avoid talking about the bigger picture for years. Why talk about debt, failed foreign policy, awful nuclear deals, and planes of cash going to Iran or crooked Sectaries when we can point the big simple racist finger?

Same thing with abortion. They loved to get old white guys going on the uterus. 60% chance or better they say something stupid for a nice clip.

What do you do when you are most corrupt criminal to ever run for office? Make it entirely about the other guy. Of course, the GOP played this one right to her hand and nominated a total stooge.

Republicans don't do that crap. They just make a boogeyman that we should always be afraid of.