2016 Presidential Horse Race

[Irish#1]

If cities were so great, nobody would have ever wanted to move to the suburbs in the first place. Cities are dirty and dangerous, period. Once you have kids, your perspective will change. Suburban planning would have failed if there was no demand for it.

That's part of it. The move to suburbia also created an opportunity for the American dream. Citizens can own his own house and land creating something of a nest egg.

 

[woolybug25]

If cities were so great, nobody would have ever wanted to move to the suburbs in the first place. Cities are dirty and dangerous, period. Once you have kids, your perspective will change. Suburban planning would have failed if there was no demand for it.

I think you're mischaracterizing "surburbia" with "small town". Suburbia where poors that want to play middle class go to find a cornfield to build a cheaply built McMansion in the right school district. Everything is fake. Their character of their home, the fake sense of community bought and paid for each month with the HOA fees allowing them to tell their neighbors how to live. That isn't community building.

Small towns on the other hand, create vibrant community. Neighbors actually know eachother, and not just because they're concerned about eachother's lawns. They congregate together, they work together and they have a true sense of community. That's the American Dream, not some plastic world you bought out in the burbs.

Also, cool it with the "you'll understand when you have kids" bullshit. Parents don't own the rights to community building. Nor do you have higher ground simply because you popped a kid out.

 

[Buster Bluth]

If cities were so great, nobody would have ever wanted to move to the suburbs in the first place. Cities are dirty and dangerous, period. Once you have kids, your perspective will change. Suburban planning would have failed if there was no demand for it.

We've been building suburbs for centuries, including significant waves after the Civil War and World War I. Those suburbs are not suburbia. Suburbia is something different. There is nothing inherently wrong with single-family homes in a quiet town away from the noise of the cities.

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

Trump before classified briefing: I don’t trust US intel | TheHill

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

While there is some truth there you seem to be missing two important things.

1. The CRA (and other laws like it) exist because of the discriminatory lending practices of banks. What a shocker that the regulation that people complain about came about because of real problems.

2. This is also important, many banks embraced subprime mortgages and loved the profit that was being made from them.

3. Lets not forget the fraud that banks/mortgage companies and ratings agencies engaged in in the lead-up to the financial crisis.


In summary, yes the government was part of the problem, but to pin all of the problem on them is overly black and white, as with most things in life there were multiple failures, not one.

Agreed. So can we reach the conclusion that Lehman didn't collapse because of wars and tax cuts? lol

 

[RDU Irish]

I'm thrilled to hear that you'd consider it, but it was suggested in the context of criminalizing abortion at the national level. That's a level of success that most current pro-life activists can only dream of; short of a miracle and/or widespread religious revival, I don't expect to see it in my lifetime. Hell, the prospect of simply overturning Roe v. Wade and letting the states decide on its legality is barely considered within the realm of political feasibility these days. We're that far down the road...

Exactly my point. And Syria points out the futility of blowing all your political capital on an unwinnable fight. As I stated much earlier - being right is not always enough.

A more covert operation and moderated stance would open the door to more support - you are straight up ostracizing folks that do not share your hard line. Previously posted but worth revisiting:

Abortion poll finds 81% Americans, 66% pro-choice advocates support restrictions on procedure - Washington Times

"51 percent overall believe health care providers and organizations should have the right to opt out of providing abortion services if they have moral objections. “Notably, even one-third (34 percent) of those who identify as pro-choice would protect the right to opt out,” the poll analysis stated."


Despite high numbers for anti-abortion beliefs - HALF STILL THINK MEDICAL PROVIDERS SHOULD BE REQUIRED TO PERFORM THESE PROCEDURES. Which is it? The more definitive "choice", IMO, should be that of someone not to do that work - find someone else. Yet that is the part that has the least support? That is an enormous intellectual disconnect and much more directly flies in the face of religious liberty.

Same with Planned Parenthood - why is that not a huge win for Rs if people really think government should not pay for abortions? B/C you are in the minority if this is your headline issue for which you vote, IMO.

 

[wizards8507]

I think you're mischaracterizing "surburbia" with "small town". Suburbia where poors that want to play middle class go to find a cornfield to build a cheaply built McMansion in the right school district. Everything is fake. Their character of their home, the fake sense of community bought and paid for each month with the HOA fees allowing them to tell their neighbors how to live. That isn't community building.

Small towns on the other hand, create vibrant community. Neighbors actually know eachother, and not just because they're concerned about eachother's lawns. They congregate together, they work together and they have a true sense of community. That's the American Dream, not some plastic world you bought out in the burbs.

We've been building suburbs for centuries, including significant waves after the Civil War and World War I. Those suburbs are not suburbia. Suburbia is something different. There is nothing inherently wrong with single-family homes in a quiet town away from the noise of the cities.

Then we need different terminology because we're using the same words to describe very different things. I also think this is an area where your perception varies dramatically depending on where you've lived and worked most of your life. Southern New England was developed during the industrial revolution so most of my experience is based on decaying mill towns. These cities and towns, Bristol included, very much look like the way a New Urbanist would plan a community. Residential and commercial buildings side-by-side with a downtown Main Street and walkable sidewalks. We have seven public parks, seven Catholic churches, zero interstates, and zero HOA communities. The city is also dying. The problem with the community model extolled by the New Urbanist is that they're not sustainable. A community cannot survive as a closed system, where the grocer buys meat from the butcher who gets his bike repaired by the bike shop owner who gets his coffee from the cafe owner who gets his shoes repaired by the cobbler who buys his tomatoes from the grocer. Eventually, resources leak out of the system and you need an outside source of economic activity to keep the community alive. In Southern New England, that was the mills. Entire communities became dependent on them. When the mills shut down, communities crumbled. The whole thing is too interconnected. When one node of the system sustains a shock, the entire system collapses.

Also, cool it with the "you'll understand when you have kids" bullshit. Parents don't own the rights to community building. Nor do you have higher ground simply because you popped a kid out.

Cool it? I'm pretty sure this is the first time I've ever said anything like that. I may have brought it up regarding abortion, but it's hardly my go-to argument.

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

Trump just gave the best speech he's given thus far, even though it was loaded with inaccuracies. He's not self-funding his campaign, but it sounds good. I guess he'll be glued to the teleprompter from here on out. Time will tell.

 

[EddytoNow]

Trump just gave the best speech he's given thus far, even though it was loaded with inaccuracies. He's not self-funding his campaign, but it sounds good. I guess he'll be glued to the teleprompter from here on out.

True, but the bar is pretty low for his previous speeches.

 

[GoIrish41]

Trump just gave the best speech he's given thus far, even though it was loaded with inaccuracies. He's not self-funding his campaign, but it sounds good. I guess he'll be glued to the teleprompter from here on out. Time will tell.

Don't be fooled he's just acting like a normal human being. Someone suggested he was doing all this to launch a media company and now he's got two "media" guys advising him. #MUSTSEETV

 

[irishfan]

Don't be fooled he's just acting like a normal human being. Someone suggested he was doing all this to launch a media company and now he's got two "media" guys advising him. #MUSTSEETV

He's an evil genius if this was his fall back plan all along.

 

[GoIrish41]

He's an evil genius if this was his fall back plan all along.

Agreed. Who knows, it may have thought of it in the shower three weeks ago. He did bring these media execs in the fold so who the hell knows? It's Trump!

 

[connor_in]

 

[connor_in]

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Don't be fooled he's just acting like a normal human being. Someone suggested he was doing all this to launch a media company and now he's got two "media" guys advising him. #MUSTSEETV

There has been a rumor for a really long time now that Trump never wanted to actually win the nomination. He just wanted leverage to negotiate his NBC/Apprentice contract. Fast-forward, and now Michael Moore is saying he has sources within media networks and agencies that can confirm that rumor. Essentially, Trump wanted to re-negotiate his deal, got fired over his Mexican comments, started winning primaries, and then completely changed his mindset and decided to actually take it seriously.

The one credit I will give Trump is that he's a marketing genius. Lets say the above rumor is true. Lets say this was all a massive troll-job in order pump up his brand (he wouldn't be the first or last). When he loses in November, what really matters to him is that he just ignited a gigantic following who will support him no matter what. Anything he tries to sell (books, tv shows, etc) will be gold. And to him, the end will justify the means.

That's my early morning $0.02 on this lovely Friday.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

I laughed so hard at this! Fantastic.

 

[IrishBroker]

There has been a rumor for a really long time now that Trump never wanted to actually win the nomination. He just wanted leverage to negotiate his NBC/Apprentice contract. Fast-forward, and now Michael Moore is saying he has sources within media networks and agencies that can confirm that rumor. Essentially, Trump wanted to re-negotiate his deal, got fired over his Mexican comments, started winning primaries, and then completely changed his mindset and decided to actually take it seriously.

The one credit I will give Trump is that he's a marketing genius. Lets say the above rumor is true. Lets say this was all a massive troll-job in order pump up his brand (he wouldn't be the first or last). When he loses in November, what really matters to him is that he just ignited a gigantic following who will support him no matter what. Anything he tries to sell (books, tv shows, etc) will be gold. And to him, the end will justify the means.

That's my early morning $0.02 on this lovely Friday.

If there were ever the living definition of the word hypocrite...


But I don't doubt Trump engineered this. Guy is a salesmen. And he's one of Hillary's old pals. I could see them both walking out on the first debate and raising their hands together, laughing at all of us.

I hope Gary Johnson gets into the debates just to watch him pick apart the inconsistencies of both candidates and their BS

 

[phgreek]

Bwahahahaha....my side hurts... Killing me....

 

[GoIrish41]

Manafort resigns from campaign, according to Trump. No sense Russian your departure ... the damage is already done.

I'm here all week ...

 

[Irish#1]

If there were ever the living definition of the word hypocrite...
First thing I thought as well.

Bwahahahaha....my side hurts... Killing me....

Of all of the political cartoons, parodies, etc. from both sides, this has to be the best.

 

[Bishop2b5]

 

[connor_in]

There ya go!!!!

 

[connor_in]

Attn. Hillary! It doesn’t look like Colin Powell’s willing to be thrown under your email bus – twitchy.com

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Statement from Colin Powell's office to NBC News—after NYT <a href="https://twitter.com/amychozick">@amychozick</a> rpt on Clinton emails <a href="https://t.co/tLMYzhobKo">https://t.co/tLMYzhobKo</a> <a href="https://t.co/Z5S8JI6BYm">pic.twitter.com/Z5S8JI6BYm</a></p>— Bradd Jaffy (@BraddJaffy) <a href="https://twitter.com/BraddJaffy/status/766623945005080576">August 19, 2016</a></blockquote>
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[Bubbles]

 

[RDU Irish]

Colin should pull the race card - that would be classic.

 

[GoIrish41]

Colin should pull the race card - that would be classic.

That would be sexist

 

[Bogtrotter07]

I know several that vote D on this issue alone.

Sorry, I haven't been able to keep up with this thread.

You know several people that vote Democratic because they are Pro-abortion? They want to murder kids, so they vote Democratic? They sound like horrible people.

Now I know some people that vote Democratic for a single issue, it is women's or LBGQ rights. But not 'pro-abortion.' I can say that I definitely have never met a pro-abortionist, defined as someone who is opposed to the anti-abortionist, here in the United States since Roe vs. Wade.

Perfect example of one of two things wrong with politics in America today :

• Conflation of issues; and
• Lies to support unsustainable world views (mostly ridiculous in essence.)

 

[BGIF]

Judge orders Clinton to answer written answers to questions on private email use | Fox News

Published August 19, 2016

A federal judge Friday ordered Hillary Clinton to answer questions from a conservative watchdog group about her use of a private email server when she served as secretary of state.

U.S. District Court Judge Emmet G. Sullivan issued the order as part of a lawsuit filed by Judicial Watch. The group had sought to question Clinton under oath and in person, but the judge ruled she would only have to answer questions in writing.

...

Judge Sullivan said Judicial Watch must submit its questions to Clinton by Oct. 14 and gave Clinton 30 days to respond -- a timetable that could push Clinton's answers past the November election unless Judicial Watch sends its questions earlier than mid-October.

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[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

New Trump campaign manager called on him to release tax returns in April | TheHill

 

[connor_in]

Sorry, I haven't been able to keep up with this thread.

You know several people that vote Democratic because they are Pro-abortion? They want to murder kids, so they vote Democratic? They sound like horrible people.

Now I know some people that vote Democratic for a single issue, it is women's or LBGQ rights. But not 'pro-abortion.' I can say that I definitely have never met a pro-abortionist, defined as someone who is opposed to the anti-abortionist, here in the United States since Roe vs. Wade.

Perfect example of one of two things wrong with politics in America today :

• Conflation of issues; and
• Lies to support unsustainable world views (mostly ridiculous in essence.)

May I ask if you ever met a person who voted D because they thought the R would "take away abortion "rights""?