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GoIrish41

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The accumulation of such assaults at Trump rallies should be the focus. Examining any one of these incidents in a vacuum ignores that these rallies are getting way out of hand. And usually, Trump is at the podium instigating. The frequency of these incidents is disturbing.
 

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The accumulation of such assaults at Trump rallies should be the focus. Examining any one of these incidents in a vacuum ignores that these rallies are getting way out of hand. And usually, Trump is at the podium instigating. The frequency of these incidents is disturbing.

He'd probably increase his lead if it became a focus of the media.

Nothing sets this prick back. It's unreal.
 

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And usually, Trump is at the podium instigating. The frequency of these incidents is disturbing.
Do we know if this is one of the incidents that Trump called out from the podium? I know I've seen clips of him saying things like "get them out" or whatever, but has anyone linked any of the incidents that have become violent to the instances of Trump pointing them out to his crowd? The crowd is cheering in this video but I can't tell if it's some unrelated thing that Trump is saying or if the whole arena is watching this go down.

I'm not sure it matters, I'm just curious.
 

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The accumulation of such assaults at Trump rallies should be the focus. Examining any one of these incidents in a vacuum ignores that these rallies are getting way out of hand. And usually, Trump is at the podium instigating. The frequency of these incidents is disturbing.

But you have to parse each one out, in order to develop a pattern. You can't just say, "Well, a bunch of scandals have happened around Hillary Clinton, so she obviously killed Vince Foster."
 

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Trump will be at a rally about 3 blocks from my apartment on Sunday. Considering going just for entertainment purposes.
 

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Do we know if this is one of the incidents that Trump called out from the podium? I know I've seen clips of him saying things like "get them out" or whatever, but has anyone linked any of the incidents that have become violent to the instances of Trump pointing them out to his crowd? The crowd is cheering in this video but I can't tell if it's some unrelated thing that Trump is saying or if the whole arena is watching this go down.

I'm not sure it matters, I'm just curious.

I know nothing about this specific incident other than what was on the video.
 

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Trump will be at a rally about 3 blocks from my apartment on Sunday. Considering going just for entertainment purposes.

That's can't miss entertainment. There's no way I would miss that.

Then I would go home and shed tears for humanity...
 

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Because, that's such an exclusive "Trump thing" amirite?
He's sure perfected it. The Democrats do it via their surrogates in the entertainment media. There have certainly always been poorly educated and misinformed Republicans as well, but I've never seen a candidate push for them so explicitly.
 

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Our country is seriously failing. The media is a fucking travesty and people have no access to unbiased information. Everyone has an agenda to push. I am wholly uninspired by anyone running for office on either side. I'm incredibly disappointed that our information is monopolized by people pushing their narrative on people to influence elections. Such a fucking shitshow.

I agree but I don't think it's anything new. The "media's" job is to make money. Sell newspapers, get eyes on their broadcasts, etc... Rich/powerful people have been using the media to sway public opinion for a long time. Now with the internet anyone can start their own blog/website and push their opinions. In that sense things are better.
 

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Donald Trump's modeling agency has profited from the very same visa program that the presidential candidate himself has slammed -- and appears to have violated federal law in the process, a CNNMoney investigation has found.

Throughout his campaign, Trump has loudly opposed the practice of U.S. companies using foreign workers instead of Americans -- specifically the highly-skilled workers brought to the United States through the controversial H-1B visa program.

"These are temporary foreign workers, imported from abroad, for the explicit purpose of substituting for American workers at lower pay. I remain totally committed to eliminating rampant, widespread H-1B abuse," Trump said in a statement on his website, though he backtracked on his position during a recent Republican debate.

While this visa program is best known for bringing over technology workers like engineers and computer programmers, Trump's own modeling agency has used the program for years, federal data shows. That's because federal law surprisingly lumps in fashion models with these other specialized workers -- though it's the only job that doesn't require higher education. (Instead, models must have "distinguished merit and ability.")
And now, the use of this visa by Trump Model Management, founded by Trump in 1999, is being questioned.

The agency is currently battling a proposed class action lawsuit filed by Jamaican model Alexia Palmer, who was brought to the country with an H-1B visa.
The suit alleges that the agency recruits foreign models with promises of wages that never materialize and defrauds the U.S. government on visa applications. Palmer is currently the only plaintiff and the suit has not yet been approved as a class-action.
In her case, Palmer says she was paid only a few thousand dollars over three years despite being lured with the promise of more than $200,000 in earnings in that same time period.

That salary was also what was listed by Trump Model Management as part of the visa application. "Ms. Palmer will receive compensation of at least $75,000 per year," the agency's president Corinne Nicolas said in a letter to immigration officials. "She is a model whose services have been in great demand, and whose proposed temporary presence in the United States has stirred great anticipation by Trump Model Management and its clientele." (Nicolas did not respond to a request for comment).

Government data analyzed by Howard University professor Ron Hira shows that since 2008, Trump's agency has successfully brought over around 30 foreign models -- from countries like Brazil, Latvia and China -- using the H-1B program. Almost half of these applications indicated the same $75,000 annual salary, while others went as high as $416,000.

CNNMoney asked a dozen attorneys and other immigration experts to review facts and documents from the case, and the vast majority said Trump's agency appears to have violated immigration law. "It seems pretty clear to me that there was a violation... and a pretty egregious violation," said New York immigration attorney Jeffrey Feinbloom.

Experts say that the U.S. government requires that full-time H-1B workers like Palmer be paid a high enough wage that they aren't being exploited or displacing American workers -- regardless of how much they end up working. Experts say that the firm was required by law to pay the amount stated on Palmer's visa -- in this case, $75,000 a year. Even more egregious, they say, was that the Trump agency didn't pay the "prevailing wage" determined by the U.S. government (which is based on the industry and location).
The U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services agency (USCIS) confirmed that a sponsoring company "must pay the actual wage or the prevailing wage, whichever is higher" -- meaning it was illegal to pay Palmer below either listed wage. "Employers may never pay below the prevailing wage," the agency said in a statement.

For Palmer, the prevailing wage acknowledged by the Trump agency on the visa application was roughly $45,000 a year. Instead, she made less than $30,000 over three years from modeling jobs for clients ranging from Conde Nast to Saks Fifth Avenue.
And she didn't even get to keep that full amount. It was almost entirely eaten up by taxes, a 20% commission to the Trump agency, administrative fees and modeling-related costs like $75 walking lessons and a $200 dermatology visit.

In the end, Palmer netted $4,985 over three years (which included cash advances and a $3,880.75 check), a figure acknowledged by the Trump agency.
It's unclear whether the U.S. government would look at the earnings she received before or after deductions like commissions and modeling expenses. But either way, experts say she earned far less than the amount required by law.
"If someone isn't being paid what they are supposed to be paid, they are being exploited," said Neil Ruiz, executive director of the Center for Law, Economics and Finance at George Washington University and a national expert on H-1B visas. "This case shows that [Trump's] own company has benefited from exploiting his own H-1B visa holders."
CNNMoney was unable to reach Palmer, but her attorney said it was a "no-brainer" that his client's rights had been violated.

But the Trump agency said the 20% commission and reimbursements were clearly outlined in the contracts Palmer signed.
"It is important to note that at no time while TMM was her model manager did Ms. Palmer EVER object to any of these deductions from her gross pay," Lawrence Rosen, the attorney representing the Trump agency, told CNNMoney.
Rosen said that Palmer was paid for the jobs she booked and nothing more -- a practice that he described as standard throughout the modeling industry as a whole.
The Trump campaign had a similar argument. "In regards to Ms. Palmer, this is standard practice in the modeling industry and the visa application form is inadequate to address the practice of the industry," a Trump spokesperson said in an email.

Attorney Michael Wildes, whose law firm handled Palmer's visa application on behalf of Trump's agency, said that the H-1B visa gave Palmer the best chance of getting to the United States. He argued that it's not the agency's fault that U.S. immigration laws "are archaic."
"Mr. Trump and his modeling agency decided they wanted to give this lady an opportunity to work," he said. "There is a disconnect in the world of agency law and immigration law."
And Trump agency attorney Rosen argues that since the agency was hired by Palmer, she was never considered an employee of the firm, and thus has no claims for a certain wage.
"She just didn't have a very successful modeling career," said Rosen.
However, the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services agency was clear that the pay requirement applies to "an employer or an agent."

Still, Rosen acknowledged that the agency should have been more clear in the initial visa application. He said that the $75,000 salary listed on official visa documents, which are filed under penalty of perjury, was nothing more than a "guesstimate."
"In hindsight, now that he's running for president and all that, you look at it and say why doesn't it say 'estimate'? Well maybe it should have," he said.
But immigration attorneys say that there is no such thing as a guesstimate when filing this kind of a federal visa application.

"For them to promise the U.S. government to pay this employee this particular wage and not do it, it is a violation," said Virginia immigration attorney Hassan Ahmad. "It depresses wages. It is the underbelly of the industry."

But even if it is determined that her wages were in violation of immigration laws, Rosen argued that the civil case has no merit because it's up to the Department of Labor to investigate a violation -- not the civil court system.
CNNMoney asked the Department of Labor and the USCIS to weigh in, but neither would comment on the case specifically.

Palmer's civil case has been pending since last year, awaiting a judge's decision on whether it should be thrown out (as requested by the Trump agency). A clerk for the judge said a ruling is expected by the end of the month.
Whether or not it ends up being dismissed, many attorneys say Palmer would have a chance if she turned to the U.S. government instead.

They also wonder just how far the alleged abuses go.

"The real question," said New York immigration attorney Steve Maggi, "is if Trump does this in this case, how systematic is it?"

Trump's modeling agency broke immigration laws, attorneys say - Mar. 10, 2016
 

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Because, that's such an exclusive "Trump thing" amirite?

don't think he is a good choice...but I think folks are pissed they can't do it as well as Trump...from both sides. If Hillary could fire people up like that ...you know damned well she would...same with Teddy...Trump is good at what he does...

I think the only one that comes close is Bernie...but it is not angry "fired up"...its more like people seeing their dismal debt situation, and thinking...I love this guy. And for the record I think Bernie would be a disaster too...but his supporters are not angry, just hoping like hell IMHO.
 

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Our country is seriously failing. The media is a fucking travesty and people have no access to unbiased information. Everyone has an agenda to push. I am wholly uninspired by anyone running for office on either side. I'm incredibly disappointed that our information is monopolized by people pushing their narrative on people to influence elections. Such a fucking shitshow.

Hannity 1/25/2016 - Duck Dynasty endorse Donald Trump and Ted Cruz, Rand Paul interview (from Fox News with cover photo of President Obama and ISIS)

Heidi Cruz on Fox and Friends - December 10, 2015 with video of Ted Cruz who "likes and respects Donald Trump" and "won't engage in personal attacks" and "politics is not personal"

Heidi Cruz is Managing Director of Goldman, Sachs and was the Director of the Western Hemisphere at the White House, National Security Council, and Economic Advisor to Bush-Cheney. Ted Cruz says he "was 'anti-establishment' long before Trump".
 
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Our country is seriously failing. The media is a fucking travesty and people have no access to unbiased information. Everyone has an agenda to push. I am wholly uninspired by anyone running for office on either side. I'm incredibly disappointed that our information is monopolized by people pushing their narrative on people to influence elections. Such a fucking shitshow.

This is me this year... although I totally could have jumped on a Kasich/Rubio ticket either way... but pretty clear that's not to be... all other candidates on either side are total cartoon nightmares as far as my politics go.
 

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Ted Cruz's no-compromise stance on guns - CNNPolitics.com

The group's executive director, Larry Pratt, opposes all gun control and sees massacres like the one at Sandy Hook Elementary School as evidence of the need for more, not fewer weapons in America.

Pratt has little tolerance for those who oppose his views, including the President and members of Congress. He said "it's kind of a good thing" that politicians who favor gun control are in fear of being assassinated or deposed.

"That's what the Second Amendment is," Pratt said, "It's a warning."

We talk a lot about Trump and the extremists that support him but isn't Pratt's view pretty extremist as well?

To those who don't know Pratt is the executive director of Gun Owners of America and Pratt supports Cruz.

ETA: Politicians should fear be voting out for not doing the will of their constituents but they shouldn't have to fear for their life. That is batshit crazy talk.
 
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Ted Cruz's no-compromise stance on guns - CNNPolitics.com



We talk a lot about Trump and the extremists that support him but isn't Pratt's view pretty extremist as well?

To those who don't know Pratt is the executive director of Gun Owners of America and Pratt supports Cruz.

ETA: Politicians should fear be voting out for not doing the will of their constituents but they shouldn't have to fear for their life. That is batshit crazy talk.

Cruz is a bad candidate in ways that Trump isn't smart enough to be. I think he is worse than the Donald in some ways.
 

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Ted Cruz's no-compromise stance on guns - CNNPolitics.com



We talk a lot about Trump and the extremists that support him but isn't Pratt's view pretty extremist as well?

To those who don't know Pratt is the executive director of Gun Owners of America and Pratt supports Cruz.

ETA: Politicians should fear be voting out for not doing the will of their constituents but they shouldn't have to fear for their life. That is batshit crazy talk.

Eric Pratt and GOA are a hard line second amendment support group. I agree with the majority of what he says, but this particular statement isn't a great example. I think the purpose of defending from tyranny and knowing that the citizenry can up rise against it is more of what he meant to imply.
 

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He loves the poorly educated.

Does anyone else notice a striking similarity between a Trump campaign rally and MMA or professional wrestling on TV?

I was flipping channels with the remote last night and watched two MMA fighters enter the arena for their fight. (I'm divorced, so I can use the remote to my heart's content.) All the hype and build-up as the fighters entered the ring reminded me a lot of a Donald Trump rally. Trump even sounds like a professional wrestler when he grabs the microphone and promotes himself over his opponents. It was amazing how similar the pre-fight hoopla resembles a Trump rally. I bet there is a high correlation between supporters of Trump and fans of MMA and professional wrestling.
 

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Does anyone else notice a striking similarity between a Trump campaign rally and MMA or professional wrestling on TV?

I was flipping channels with the remote last night and watched two MMA fighters enter the arena for their fight. (I'm divorced, so I can use the remote to my heart's content.) All the hype and build-up as the fighters entered the ring reminded me a lot of a Donald Trump rally. Trump even sounds like a professional wrestler when he grabs the microphone and promotes himself over his opponents. It was amazing how similar the pre-fight hoopla resembles a Trump rally. I bet there is a high correlation between supporters of Trump and fans of MMA and professional wrestling.

That's not a coincidence...

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Eric Pratt and GOA are a hard line second amendment support group. I agree with the majority of what he says, but this particular statement isn't a great example. I think the purpose of defending from tyranny and knowing that the citizenry can up rise against it is more of what he meant to imply.

Pratt has said let's of extreme things before. He has said the idea about politicians should be feared to be shot multiple times.

What Happens When Gun Extremist Larry Pratt Gets Confronted With His Radical Views | Blog | Media Matters for America

Larry Pratt Is the Gun Lobby's Secret Weapon | Rolling Stone

ETA: There is nothing wrong with being pro-gun but Pratt on the other hand is extreme.
 
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