2016 NFL Draft

[GATTACA!]

You could say that now but someone pops up almost every year from almost nowhere and becomes a hot commodity. I doubt either Wentz or Lynch were on many teams' radar before last season, now everyone with a QB need is considering them.

Kizer

 

[Graybeard52]

Kizer

If he's the starter this coming season, builds on last year and has the desire to go pro, you never know. I think he would have to have a stellar 2016 to work his way into a top of the first round pick though.

He doesn't strike me as a three years and done type but neither did Jaylon, esp. considering the injury. When it comes to Jaylon, I have to wonder if someone got in his ear and said "Don't worry about the knee, you're good."

 

[NorthDakota]

If he's the starter this coming season, builds on last year and has the desire to go pro, you never know. I think he would have to have a stellar 2016 to work his way into a top of the first round pick though.

He doesn't strike me as a three years and done type but neither did Jaylon, esp. considering the injury. When it comes to Jaylon, I have to wonder if someone got in his ear and said "Don't worry about the knee, you're good."

Jaylon was gone. Too good to stay in the modern landscape.

Kizer, idk man, doesn't strike me as a big-time draft pick. Then again, Clausen and Quinn didn't do him any favors in regards to my skepticism.

Goff is the qb I'm handcuffing myself to this draft.

 

[IrishLion]

Kizer's got the size and the arm strength (and the touch on the deep-ball). If he wins the job, and improves his completion % from last year, NFL teams might not have many other choices than to see him as one the best available.

Unless Kiel comes back strong at UC, or Baker Mayfield looks like a legit pro in the eyes of scouts, there isn't really a sure answer after Deshaun Watson. Kizer could play himself into that role based on his measurables and exposure against a good schedule.

 

[dublinirish]

Kizer's got the size and the arm strength (and the touch on the deep-ball). If he wins the job, and improves his completion % from last year, NFL teams might not have many other choices than to see him as one the best available.

Unless Kiel comes back strong at UC, or Baker Mayfield looks like a legit pro in the eyes of scouts, there isn't really a sure answer after Deshaun Watson. Kizer could play himself into that role based on his measurables and exposure against a good schedule.

Paddy Towles says hi!

 

[IrishLion]

Paddy Towles says hi!

Ha, I'm a big fan of Towles. It's crazy that he got run out of UK, and even crazier that he's probably gonna get drafted.

Poor guy should've gone anywhere other than UK. Stoops (and his OL) did him no favors during his time there.

Also, IDK how much help Towles will get against ACC competition from his BC supporting cast on offense.

 

[dublinirish]

Ha, I'm a big fan of Towles. It's crazy that he got run out of UK, and even crazier that he's probably gonna get drafted.

Poor guy should've gone anywhere other than UK. Stoops (and his OL) did him no favors during his time there.

Scouts will always go for a kid with a decent arm. He could throw for a ton in a decent FCS offense and make some noise next year for sure.

 

[Armyirish47]

Mel Kiper takes his latest crack at the mock draft for the first 3 rounds with a "Grade A" draft, follow the linked Insider Article for more.

Mel Kiper 'Grade: A' mock draft pick-by-pick - NFL draft 2016

Ground Rules:
1. At each slot, I make a pick in the best interest of only the team with the pick. I won't pass on a player at No. 4 just because I like the team better at No. 5.

2. No trades unless they're already done. I try to address team needs, but like the draft, value can supersede need.

3. Again: I'm not projecting. It's more a look at where I see value up and down the board.

Players of Note:
7. Ronnie Stanley - San Francisco
23. Will Fuller - Minnesota
86. Nick Martin - Minnesota

He also posted this note # 4
4. Jaylon Smith: Let's be clear -- he's one of the best players in the draft. But I'm leaving him out because his draft range is all over the place right now based on his medical re-checks. I'll learn more between now and the draft.

 

[dublinirish]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Last week, No. 1 pick was traded, and No. 2 pick now could be dealt. “There is interest in the pick,” one Browns source acknowledged today.</p>— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/722438215383158784">April 19, 2016</a></blockquote>
<script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script><blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Browns have engaged in trade talks but it remains, in words of one team official, “uncertain” whether they ultimately will trade No. 2 pick.</p>— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/722438547823693824">April 19, 2016</a></blockquote>
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[ACamp1900]

Unless you get a king's ransom just take Ramsey or 'best player available' this team is devoid of elite talent pretty much everywhere.

 

[pkt77242]

Unless you get a king's ransom just take Ramsey or 'best player available' this team is devoid of talent pretty much everywhere.

FIFY


Trading back makes sense if they can pick up an extra 2nd or maybe even a 2nd and 3rd. This is a very deep draft and the Browns need as much talent as they can get and 1-3rd picks are the way to do it. So I could see them trading back with SF and getting an extra 2nd and maybe a 3rd (or 4th) as well. That would be a great trade for the Browns if they are not set on taking a QB.

 

[Luckylucci]

FIFY


Trading back makes sense if they can pick up an extra 2nd or maybe even a 2nd and 3rd. This is a very deep draft and the Browns need as much talent as they can get and 1-3rd picks are the way to do it. So I could see them trading back with SF and getting an extra 2nd and maybe a 3rd (or 4th) as well. That would be a great trade for the Browns if they are not set on taking a QB.

I agree. There are guys at the top that I really like but there are also guys that you can get later in the first, that I don't believe will prove to be that far off the guys in front of them. Plus if you're able to get a second round pick for it. That allows you to pick up another player like Sua Cravens, Shilique Calhoun, Vonn Bell, Derrick Henry, Corey Coleman, etc. Lots of good players in the second round.

 

[IrishLion]

I agree. There are guys at the top that I really like but there are also guys that you can get later in the first, that I don't believe will prove to be that far off the guys in front of them. Plus if you're able to get a second round pick for it. That allows you to pick up another player like Sua Cravens, Shilique Calhoun, Vonn Bell, Derrick Henry, Corey Coleman, etc. Lots of good players in the second round.

Coleman might not even make it out of the first round if there is a run on WR's before the Bengals pick.

 

[Luckylucci]

Coleman might not even make it out of the first round if there is a run on WR's before the Bengals pick.

Fair, I suppose I should've just put "a good WR prospect", he's just the name I chose. I can't see Treadwell, Fuller, Doctson, and Coleman all going in the first round. So, my expectation is that at least 1 of them would be available in the second. You could also throw in Sterling Shepherd who I think is going to be a mainstay for someone as a slot WR for many years. Michael Thomas, as well as, Tyler Boyd would be available. Some pretty good options in the 2nd.

 

[IrishLion]

Fair, I suppose I should've just put "a good WR prospect", he's just the name I chose. I can't see Treadwell, Fuller, Doctson, and Coleman all going in the first round. So, my expectation is that at least 1 of them would be available in the second. You could also throw in Sterling Shepherd who I think is going to be a mainstay for someone as a slot WR for many years. Michael Thomas, as well as, Tyler Boyd would be available. Some pretty good options in the 2nd.

Oh yeah, WR is loaded this year. A bunch of quality guys. If you're WR-needy, you're feeling good if you're picking late first or early second. I've even seen Michael Thomas thrown into the first-round discussion a few times.

There are quite a few mocks out there that have big runs on WR happening, but it largely depends on when the first one goes. If the first one goes before pick 20, they could start flying off the board depending on what the Texans and Vikings want to do.

 

[Luckylucci]

Oh yeah, WR is loaded this year. A bunch of quality guys. If you're WR-needy, you're feeling good if you're picking late first or early second. I've even seen Michael Thomas thrown into the first-round discussion a few times.

There are quite a few mocks out there that have big runs on WR happening, but it largely depends on when the first one goes. If the first one goes before pick 20, they could start flying off the board depending on what the Texans and Vikings want to do.

I guess the point was just to illustrate and agree with what you said above. If Cleveland makes the decision to not draft a QB. I'd rather trade out of #2, lets say, go back to #7 and pick up a 2nd round pick, if able to do so. You are essentially giving up on drafting a guy like Ramsey but could still get Hargreaves. You more than likely won't be able to get Tunsil but could still get Stanley. So, will still be able to get a very quality prospect in the the 1st, plus you now have the ability to draft two players from those names I mentioned above. Depending on how everything shakes out, I hope the Cowboys explore the options of trading out of #4.

 

[Graybeard52]

Jaylon was gone. Too good to stay in the modern landscape.

Kizer, idk man, doesn't strike me as a big-time draft pick. Then again, Clausen and Quinn didn't do him any favors in regards to my skepticism.

Goff is the qb I'm handcuffing myself to this draft.

The whispers were pretty loud before the injury but I thought once the news made it out about the severity of the injury, it would give him pause.

Oh, there's no way I know for sure about Kizer but he opened eyes already last year. I'm not suggesting a great year makes him a top ten pick if he goes pro but he probably will be one of the best of a mediocre lot.

I agree on Goff. The cases of Wentz and Lynch kind of go towards what I suggested about Kizer. Neither of those guys were on too many peoples' radar before last season but by February, they're considered top of the first round picks. Kizer already has the exposure.

I'm a suffering Cowboys fan so I would like to see Goff drop to #4 but it won't happen. I would rather trade down a few spots and pick up another 2nd round pick than take a shot on Bosa, Ramsey or Elliot at #4. I don't think Bosa is a sure thing, Ramsey=Byron Jones(Last year's 1st rounder) and I'm not a fan of using a top 5 pick on a RB these days.

 

[Luckylucci]

The whispers were pretty loud before the injury but I thought once the news made it out about the severity of the injury, it would give him pause.

Oh, there's no way I know for sure about Kizer but he opened eyes already last year. I'm not suggesting a great year makes him a top ten pick if he goes pro but he probably will be one of the best of a mediocre lot.

I agree on Goff. The cases of Wentz and Lynch kind of go towards what I suggested about Kizer. Neither of those guys were on too many peoples' radar before last season but by February, they're considered top of the first round picks. Kizer already has the exposure.

I'm a suffering Cowboys fan so I would like to see Goff drop to #4 but it won't happen. I would rather trade down a few spots and pick up another 2nd round pick than take a shot on Bosa, Ramsey or Elliot at #4. I don't think Bosa is a sure thing, Ramsey=Byron Jones(Last year's 1st rounder) and I'm not a fan of using a top 5 pick on a RB these days.

I feel your pain and I agree. I'd really like to come away with 3 picks out of the first 50-60

 

[ACamp1900]

Suffering Cowboys fans???.... oh go fvk yourselves....

suffering...

 

[GATTACA!]

FIFY


Trading back makes sense if they can pick up an extra 2nd or maybe even a 2nd and 3rd. This is a very deep draft and the Browns need as much talent as they can get and 1-3rd picks are the way to do it. So I could see them trading back with SF and getting an extra 2nd and maybe a 3rd (or 4th) as well. That would be a great trade for the Browns if they are not set on taking a QB.

Well Cleveland's #2 for the 49er's #7 #37 and #68 still isn't equal. That scenario is Cleveland giving up 2600 and SF giving up 2280.

SF would need to throw in a future 1st to get the deal done. With a future first it's 2600 - 3130. That's slightly in Cleveland's favor but you have to keep in mind that the other two teams looking to trade for the number 2 pick, Eagles and Jets, both have to go further than SF. So the equivalent packages from those two teams are more balanced trades.

Philadelphia already traded their second round pick this year so a deal with them would look like, CLE #2 for PHI #8 and #77 plus next years 1st and 2nd. This is actually a closer deal value wise even though it seems like a haul for the Browns. 2600 to 2795

The NYJ deal would be insane they are so low at this point. The deal would be CLE #2 for NYJ #20 #52 and #83 plus next years 1st 2nd and 3rd. That would come out to 2600 for 2605. That's actually the most even trade, and I do it in a heartbeat if i'm the Browns and it's actually on the table.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

2016 NFL Draft

It's the old dilemma: would you rather have a dollar or 3 quarters?

From the perspective of middling teams like my Bears and many others, smart money according to the "experts" says the three quarters are actually more valuable. When your franchise consistently struggles to field a team of healthy, functional players, 3 guys who can play and are serviceable provide more value than one that is really good at his position. I'll never buy into that mantra, but it seems to be popular.

 

[pkt77242]

It's the old dilemma: would you rather have a dollar or 3 quarters?

From the perspective of middling teams like my Bears and many others, smart money according to the "experts" says the three quarters are actually more valuable. When your franchise consistently struggles to field a team of healthy, functional players, 3 guys who can play and are serviceable provide more value than one that is really good at his position. I'll never buy into that mantra, but it seems to be popular.

Actually it is about having more picks.

Successful drafting is all about volume - NFL

The draft is a crapshoot even at the top of it (though less so than later on) and so the more picks you have the more likely you are to "hit".

Now having said that higher picks are more likely to be better players so stockpiling 1st and 2nd rounders makes a team more likely to "hit" on good players than stock piling 6th and 7th round picks.

No Team Can Beat the Draft | FiveThirtyEight

 

[Graybeard52]

Suffering Cowboys fans???.... oh go fvk yourselves....

suffering...

You haven't sat through 20+ years of Jerrah Jones as a GM/Owner. Almost every year he pulls off some harebrained trade, trying to replicate the Herschel Walker trade on a tiny scale. "Hey, I'll trade a fifth for two sixths then use the two sixths to trade back into the fifth if I can pick up an extra seventh." :banghead2

 

[ACamp1900]

You haven't sat through 20+ years of Jerrah Jones as a GM/Owner. Almost every year he pulls off some harebrained trade, trying to replicate the Herschel Walker trade on a tiny scale. "Hey, I'll trade a fifth for two sixths then use the two sixths to trade back into the fifth if I can pick up an extra seventh." :banghead2

Off memory, you guys have three titles since my last playoff win... I stand by my original, "oh go fvk yourself."

 

[dublinirish]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news.../?postshare=2601461134083220&tid=ss_fb-bottom

Wentz, some believe, is not a top prospect despite blooming late. He is, in some readings, a top prospect because he bloomed late. His delayed progression allowed him to develop well-rounded athletic skills and avoid the over-coaching – and, in some cases, detrimental coaching – many young quarterbacks receive.

“It’s killing the position,” said Jeff Christiansen, a former NFL quarterback who has tutored, among others, New England Patriots backup Jimmy Garoppolo. “It’s destroying it. I don’t think Wentz ever went to a quarterback coach. There are three or four guys that I had that never went, and they’re further along than had they gone to a guy and become a mechanical robot. It’s a glaring, glaring problem.”

 

[Graybeard52]

Off memory, you guys have three titles since my last playoff win... I stand by my original, "oh go fvk yourself."

Juuust read your signature. While I'll have to refrain from fvcking myself, I understand. Even the still at that point original Browns had Bernie Kosar for awhile in the 80s/early90s. Oh hell, I just remembered that Kosar won a ring with Dallas.

Never mind. Your angst definitely trumps mine.

 

[gmnysdad]

I am a Bills fan and have to side with Acamp. No love for the suffering Cowboys fans


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[Sherm Sticky]

I'll just drop this here for Acamp

The day the Browns passed on Big Ben

 

[Ndaccountant]

I'll just drop this here for Acamp

The day the Browns passed on Big Ben

From all IE browns fans......

 

[phillyirish]

Eagles trade 1rst, 3rd and 4th this year plus a 1rst and 2nd next year for the Browns pick. Way to go Birds, be the team that makes the Browns look smart. No, no but I'm pump to get a QB who threw 1600 yards last year at ND state.