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Notes. I love that Hounshell and Randolph are full go. At least we'll know where we stand with those guys when this spring is over. The LT battle is going to be fun to watch. Three guys that have insane potential with Lombard there in case none of them improve enough. I think McGlinchey plays this year in some capacity. Also, I'm not concerned at all about the first group of Dlineman at all. However, the depth could be an issue if injuries hit (knock on wood).
-Rochell, Jones, Day, Ishaq as a starting 4 man front will be just fine.
Kelly through down the challenge to Okwara and Rochelle that we need another pass rusher. Confident that one of them steps on. More than likely Okwara as a pass rusher.
 

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Notes. I love that Hounshell and Randolph are full go. At least we'll know where we stand with those guys when this spring is over. The LT battle is going to be fun to watch. Three guys that have insane potential with Lombard there in case none of them improve enough. I think McGlinchey plays this year in some capacity. Also, I'm not concerned at all about the first group of Dlineman at all. However, the depth could be an issue if injuries hit (knock on wood).
-Rochell, Jones, Day, Ishaq as a starting 4 man front will be just fine.
Kelly through down the challenge to Okwara and Rochelle that we need another pass rusher. Confident that one of them steps on. More than likely Okwara as a pass rusher.

I still just really, really think you're going to see a lot of 4-3ish defense with Okwara-Sheldon-Jarron-Ishaq or Ishaq-Sheldon-Jarron-Isaac with Okwara in a SAM role behind that. I'm sure we'll use a lot of variable sets and alignments and such... but the personnel seems clearly best suited for some version of a 4-3 alignment.
 

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In our 4 man I want to say Nascar package which I see Van Gorder employing Ishaq, Day, Rochelle, and Okwara. There are other possibilities but we may go very fast on passing downs. Yet on normal run downs or run teams, I see our normal 3-4 personnel.
 

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I still just really, really think you're going to see a lot of 4-3ish defense with Okwara-Sheldon-Jarron-Ishaq or Ishaq-Sheldon-Jarron-Isaac with Okwara in a SAM role behind that. I'm sure we'll use a lot of variable sets and alignments and such... but the personnel seems clearly best suited for some version of a 4-3 alignment.

I definitely agree. We talked about this a few weeks back. Thats why I'm not worried about the Dline as much as some. I think there will be combinations that BVG utilizes that will bring about depth.

-Ill add though that I think Rochelle will be the 1st down DE in a 4 man front. Better against the run.
 

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I still just really, really think you're going to see a lot of 4-3ish defense with Okwara-Sheldon-Jarron-Ishaq or Ishaq-Sheldon-Jarron-Isaac with Okwara in a SAM role behind that. I'm sure we'll use a lot of variable sets and alignments and such... but the personnel seems clearly best suited for some version of a 4-3 alignment.

Agreed.

And from the way BK speaks, it certainly seems like we are going to try and play more nickel and dime than before as well. Hopefully we won't be seeing big OLBs dropping into coverage on 3rd and long anymore - they should be replaced by the ample number of corners and safeties we have now. I never want to see Ishaq 12 yards off the LOS on 3rd and 10 again.
 

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I still just really, really think you're going to see a lot of 4-3ish defense with Okwara-Sheldon-Jarron-Ishaq or Ishaq-Sheldon-Jarron-Isaac with Okwara in a SAM role behind that. I'm sure we'll use a lot of variable sets and alignments and such... but the personnel seems clearly best suited for some version of a 4-3 alignment.

I agree. Hope this gets settled in the spring, rather than after the michigan game.
 

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I still just really, really think you're going to see a lot of 4-3ish defense with Okwara-Sheldon-Jarron-Ishaq or Ishaq-Sheldon-Jarron-Isaac with Okwara in a SAM role behind that. I'm sure we'll use a lot of variable sets and alignments and such... but the personnel seems clearly best suited for some version of a 4-3 alignment.

Lax I was really beginning to believe what you were selling about the 4-3 with a typical Sam role and a normal outside role for the Will but after literally hearing Kelly say that the players will be saying the same positions I think the same positions will be played. Yet, a lot of 4-3 will be used in particular on passing downs.
 

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Agreed.

And from the way BK speaks, it certainly seems like we are going to try and play more nickel and dime than before as well. Hopefully we won't be seeing big OLBs dropping into coverage on 3rd and long anymore - they should be replaced by the ample number of corners and safeties we have now. I never want to see Ishaq 12 yards off the LOS on 3rd and 10 again.

especially at his listed 271lbs...but this is exactly why Riggs coming to ND is great.....gives us such great flexibility in the secondary
 

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Lax I was really beginning to believe what you were selling about the 4-3 with a typical Sam role and a normal outside role for the Will but after literally hearing Kelly say that the players will be saying the same positions I think the same positions will be played. Yet, a lot of 4-3 will be used in particular on passing downs.

Personally, I think it's a smokescreen. We always just play base 4-3 for spring game anyways with no blitzes so no effect there. I think he wants to head into Michigan with them having as little idea as possible of how we're going to run our defense. I just don't see how we have the personnel to play the same style of two-gap 3-4 we've played previously... maybe we'll play a lot of one-gap 3-4... but I think what you're ultimately going to see will fully resemble a 4-3 IF we're confident in our MIKE linebacker. In private comments, some coaches let the cat out of the bag a little to prospects during the recruiting process that more of a 4-3 defense was coming, and I think they were speaking honestly then.

But this is just my intuition and guess. We'll know soon enough. I could very easily be wrong.
 

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No, I see what you are saying and what I am seeing more of a 3-4 one gap that resembles the 4-3 especially while using the nickel and dime packages which I see being used on 60 to 70 percent of the plays.
 

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Personally, I think it's a smokescreen. We always just play base 4-3 for spring game anyways with no blitzes so no effect there. I think he wants to head into Michigan with them having as little idea as possible of how we're going to run our defense. I just don't see how we have the personnel to play the same style of two-gap 3-4 we've played previously... maybe we'll play a lot of one-gap 3-4... but I think what you're ultimately going to see will fully resemble a 4-3 IF we're confident in our MIKE linebacker. In private comments, some coaches let the cat out of the bag a little to prospects during the recruiting process that more of a 4-3 defense was coming, and I think they were speaking honestly then.

But this is just my intuition and guess. We'll know soon enough. I could very easily be wrong.

I can't claim any knowledge of what the coaches actually plan to do, but I think it's pretty clear we'll be doing something resembling a 4-3 most of the time next season. The only two CATs with experience are Ishaq and Romeo right? Someone earlier mentioned Ishaq's at 271, and I know Romeo's currently trying to get to 275. Do those sound like linebackers to you?
 

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Donta Hightower for the Patriots is 275 and never plays with his hand down. I dont think he will play much in space, but I think they want to keep the title.
 

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What I would love to see, in a natural 3 down progression of a successful defensive series is this (with Field to the left and Boundary to the right):

1st Down and 2nd down (depending on second down distance):
Ishaq - Day - Jones - Rochelle (or Hounshell if fully healthy)
Jaylon - Grace - Okwara
Luke - Redfield - Shumate - Russell

With behind them:

Trumbetti / Utupo - Springman - Hayes/ Matuska -Rochelle / Hounshell
Councell - Deeb / Moore - Randolph / A freshman
Butler - Baratti - Hardy / Collinsworth - Riggs

3rd down: (4-5 yards+)

Ishaq - Day - Jones - Okwara
Jaylon - Grace
Luke - Riggs (Nickel) - Redfield - Shumate - Russell

With behind them:

Trumbetti - Hounshell - Rochelle - A freshman passrusher
Councell / Randolph - Deeb / Moore
Butler - Watkins (Nickel) - Baratti - Hardy / Collinsworth - Kinlaw
 

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What I would love to see, in a natural 3 down progression of a successful defensive series is this (with Field to the left and Boundary to the right):

1st Down and 2nd down (depending on second down distance):
Ishaq - Day - Jones - Rochelle (or Hounshell if fully healthy)
Jaylon - Grace - Okwara
Luke - Redfield - Shumate - Russell

With behind them:

Trumbetti / Utupo - Springman - Hayes/ Matuska -Rochelle / Hounshell
Councell - Deeb / Moore - Randolph / A freshman
Butler - Baratti - Hardy / Collinsworth - Riggs

3rd down: (4-5 yards+)

Ishaq - Day - Jones - Okwara
Jaylon - Grace
Luke - Riggs (Nickel) - Redfield - Shumate - Russell


With behind them:

Trumbetti - Hounshell - Rochelle - A freshman passrusher
Councell / Randolph - Deeb / Moore
Butler - Watkins (Nickel) - Baratti - Hardy / Collinsworth - Kinlaw

that is a lot of athleticism right there
 

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where do you see Morgan fitting in?

I think Morgan's usage and development will (unfortunately to some ND fans) be a similar Redfield's last year, although probably not that extreme. Those set ups I have are for when we place Rice and Michigan in my mind. I don't see Morgan ready to be 'the guy' on the first or second team when in a critical position in those games, unless he has to be put there because of injury.

I also want to take the approach of relying on guys who have been in the system, and whatever a stud like Morgan can give us over those guys is just a bonus. Safety, MLB, OL and QB are the positions I just think it is really hard to come in and have a big effect immediately. It takes a lot of time to develop to the point where you can realistically succeed at those positions coming in from HS.
 

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What I would love to see, in a natural 3 down progression of a successful defensive series is this (with Field to the left and Boundary to the right):

1st Down and 2nd down (depending on second down distance):
Ishaq - Day - Jones - Rochelle (or Hounshell if fully healthy)
Jaylon - Grace - Okwara
Luke - Redfield - Shumate - Russell

With behind them:

Trumbetti / Utupo - Springman - Hayes/ Matuska -Rochelle / Hounshell
Councell - Deeb / Moore - Randolph / A freshman
Butler - Baratti - Hardy / Collinsworth - Riggs

3rd down: (4-5 yards+)

Ishaq - Day - Jones - Okwara
Jaylon - Grace
Luke - Riggs (Nickel) - Redfield - Shumate - Russell

With behind them:

Trumbetti - Hounshell - Rochelle - A freshman passrusher
Councell / Randolph - Deeb / Moore
Butler - Watkins (Nickel) - Baratti - Hardy / Collinsworth - Kinlaw

I don't see Moore playing that much this year. I think Deeb, Randolph, or Morgan passing him up. He sure can lay the hammer but I'm just worried he would be more of a liability against a more athletic faster team.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Biggest weight gains from Notre Dame’s spring roster: Torii Hunter (+12), Ishaq Williams, Jacob Matuska, Mike McGlinchey (all +10).</p>— Irish Illustrated (@NDatRivals) <a href="https://twitter.com/NDatRivals/statuses/439466453754867712">February 28, 2014</a></blockquote>
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NOTRE DAME, Ind. – Spring practice is ready to commence at Notre Dame, even if it isn’t exactly spring just yet. After heading off to work Friday morning with a temperature that was eight below zero outside, head coach Brian Kelly got the 2014 spring practice season started by speaking with the media. The spring practice calendar is a bit different this year due to upcoming spring break and the Easter holiday in April.
“We’ll practice next week twice,” said Kelly. “(Then) we’ll have spring break and then we’ll be able to get the remaining 13 practices in and it’s spread out a little bit better than trying to get all 15 in after spring break with obviously trying to finish up before Easter.”
“This spring practice is a little bit different in the management than other years,” Kelly continued. “Quite frankly, it’s different than any one that I’ve experienced in my 25 years as a head coach, so it’s exciting in that sense, because there’s a new twist to it for everybody.”
Kelly also announced some new twists to his coaching staff. Bob Elliott will now be the outside linebackers coach after working with safeties for the past two years. Kerry Cooks will add safeties to his duties, which also still include cornerbacks. New defensive coordinator Brian VanGorder will have inside linebackers, Mike Elston will continue to coach the defensive line and graduate assistant Mike Hiestand, the son of offensive line coach Harry Hiestand, will assist Elston.
A switch from a base 3-4 to a 4-3 defensive scheme is the anticipated twist many think is coming under VanGorder. Kelly dispelled that notion though.
“His coordinating efforts will continue to bring both three-down and four-down (linemen) as part of what we do defensively,” said Kelly. “But, certainly his personality will come out and his personality is different than what (former defensive coordinator Bob) Diaco brought.”
The biggest change on the offensive side of the ball is Mike Denbrock taking over at offensive coordinator and Matt LaFleur being hired as quarterbacks coach – two things have obviously known for a long time. Tony Alford will now work exclusively with running backs though rather than running backs and slot receivers. Denbrock, who formerly worked with only outside receivers, will now have slots as well.
A handful of players will be trying different positions this spring. Sophomore James Onwualu is moving from wide receiver to safety, running back Amir Carlisle is officially a “RB/WR” on the spring roster and Matthias Farley, who already switched from receiver to safety two years ago, will work at cornerback this spring.
“We think that he could be a very good player, and especially a tackler, from an outside-in position,” Kelly said of Farley. “He’s been playing inside out, right. He’s been running the alley inside-out. We think he can be a very good force player from an outside-in position and he’s really a good athlete.”
Kelly said Farley could bring the kind of versatility to play safety, cornerback and nickel back. He expects Cody Riggs, who will be transferring from Florida to Notre Dame this summer, will be able to play those three spots as well.
Injury Updates
Cornerback Devin Butler is the latest Irish player to have shoulder surgery. Kelly announced the sophomore to be will miss the spring. Safety Nicky Baratti had shoulder surgery last fall, but he will be back in action when practices start on March 3.
“He’s going to be able to be evaluated fully even if he is limited in some degrees relative to the contact,” said Kelly. “I’m not worried about Baratti. I think he’s clean in the sense that he’s going to do everything – maybe we put a red jersey on him in the spring game or something, but he’s going to be involved in everything.”
Defensive lineman Chase Hounshell and linebacker Doug Randolph will both be back from injury as will Christian Lombard. Center Nick Martin and outside linebacker Ben Councell will go through drills, but will not have contact this spring. Linebacker Jarrett Grace, who broke his leg in four places in October against Arizona State, is making slow progress, but is expected back in the fall. Defensive lineman Tony Springmann is still out with a knee injury, but Kelly says he is making “really good progress” in his recovery.
With Grace out, Kelly says Joe Schmidt, Michael Deeb and Kendall Moore will be the primary inside linebackers working this spring. Randolph will work at both Will and outside linebacker.
Left Tackle
Zack Martin and his school record 52 consecutive starts are headed to the NFL, which leaves a large void at left tackle. Kelly said Steve Elmer, Ronnie Stanley, Christian Lombard and Mike McGlinchey are the top candidates this spring to move into that spot.
Golson and Zaire
Like last spring, Everett Golson and Malik Zaire will each take reps at quarterback. Golson is back after spending last summer and the fall season expelled from school.
“He has, definitely, a higher IQ as it relates to what we’re talking about from a football standpoint,” Kelly said of Golson since the quarterback’s return to campus last month. “I can talk to him about things that I didn’t believe I could talk to him about relative to protections, hot routes (and) just the nuances of the passing game. Clearly he has evolved there.”
Golson is also now listed at 6’0, 200 pounds on the spring roster after weighing-in at 185 pounds as a starter in 2012. Like Golson, Zaire did not take a snap during his freshman season. Zaire enrolled at Notre Dame last spring and seemed to pick up the Irish offense at a solid pace.
Kelly has said that the quarterback position held by Tommy Rees last season is an open competition between the two quarterbacks and he said on Friday that Zaire has to come with a different mindset this March.
“(This is a) huge, huge spring for Malik Zaire,” said Kelly. “He’s got to step up, he’s got to show a maturity level in terms of leadership, taking over the offense and he’s got to practice as if he’s the starter.”
“He’s got to practice with the vision of him being the starter against Rice,” Kelly continued. “That’s the way he’s going to be evaluated every single day – you’re the starter against Rice.”
Kelly on DaVaris Daniels
Notre Dame’s second-leading receiver and top returning receiving target from last season is suspended for the current semester, but is on track to return this summer.
“He’s not ineligible by NCAA standards,” said Kelly. “This is an academic situation within the university.”
“As long as he takes care of the admissions process and getting back and he’s readmitted he’ll be back here this summer,” Kelly continued. “Now, he’s got to take summer school when he’s back here and he’s got to get his classes taken care of, but as long as he takes care of his classes this summer, he’ll be eligible for all the games next year.”
Kelly on the Proposed 10-second Runoff Rule
The recently proposed rule to allow defenses to make substitutions before offenses can snap the ball has most of college football up in arms. Kelly is not fond of it either.
“You would have to show me data that if this is about player safety I haven’t seen any data that really goes to the heart of that,” Kelly said when asked his thoughts on the proposed rule. “If there was compelling data, then I could probably intelligently answer or vote for one way or the other.”
“When I was at the head coaches’ meeting at the AFCA conference in Indianapolis, it was pretty clear that when rules were talked about they were talked about with an emphasis this year about player safety. And then this rule was brought up as a point of emphasis for player safety and there was nothing attached to it with player safety – so it was just a 10-second rule and it’s about player safety.”
“So, I would not be in favor of it if you can’t show me that there’s no data that goes to the heart of player safety. That’s where I kind of stand on it, so I did not vote for it, because it did not have any data attached for me to be able to say I’m in favor of it.”
Kelly on the Shembo-Seeberg Matter
Former Notre Dame linebacker Prince Shembo discussed the Lizzy Seeberg situation recently at the NFL Scouting Combine. Shembo confirmed for the first time that he was the Irish player accused of attacking the St. Mary’s student back in 2010. She killed herself just days after the alleged assault. Shembo says he was advised by Kelly and the university not to address it publicly at the time.
“That was a collaborative decision,” Kelly said of the process behind advising Shembo not to speak. “I don’t make any decisions (independently) when it comes to major decisions at this university. The head football coach works in concert with our administration.”
“We made the decision based upon the information that we had that we felt it was in Princes’ best interests that this was not a matter that needed to be discussed, but that was certainly something that he could have decided to discuss. We didn’t threaten him with he couldn’t play or we were going to put him on the bench or throw him out of school (it was still) his decision.”
“But, in talking to his parents and talking to Prince, we felt because of the information that we had in front of us it was a matter that be left alone at the time.”
 

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Personally, I think it's a smokescreen. We always just play base 4-3 for spring game anyways with no blitzes so no effect there. I think he wants to head into Michigan with them having as little idea as possible of how we're going to run our defense. I just don't see how we have the personnel to play the same style of two-gap 3-4 we've played previously... maybe we'll play a lot of one-gap 3-4... but I think what you're ultimately going to see will fully resemble a 4-3 IF we're confident in our MIKE linebacker. In private comments, some coaches let the cat out of the bag a little to prospects during the recruiting process that more of a 4-3 defense was coming, and I think they were speaking honestly then.

But this is just my intuition and guess. We'll know soon enough. I could very easily be wrong.

I don't see it either. Aside from Springmann playing a five technique, I'm not sure the line has another defender that would be better playing in a two gap system rather than a one gap system. Maybe Day at the five tech, but if he's counted on to play a lot at the three tech, I think he'd struggle against big, physical guards.
 

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I don't see it either. Aside from Springmann playing a five technique, I'm not sure the line has another defender that would be better playing in a two gap system rather than a one gap system. Maybe Day at the five tech, but if he's counted on to play a lot at the three tech, I think he'd struggle against big, physical guards.

The obvious answer is Jones, since he did it last year in Nix's absence. Can he do it alone and consistently probably not. He'll have to have some help. My bad I saw Springman and immediately went to zero tech. I think Rochelle would be a very good 5 tech. Thats what he was recruited for. To replace Tuitt.
 
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I still just really, really think you're going to see a lot of 4-3ish defense with Okwara-Sheldon-Jarron-Ishaq or Ishaq-Sheldon-Jarron-Isaac with Okwara in a SAM role behind that. I'm sure we'll use a lot of variable sets and alignments and such... but the personnel seems clearly best suited for some version of a 4-3 alignment.

Yeah, we are kind of like the Pittsburgh Steelers who, since losing Casey Hampton, have been in their 3-down base only 40% of the time. Without Nix, that could be us this year.
 

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The obvious answer is Jones, since he did it last year in Nix's absence. Can he do it alone and consistently probably not. He'll have to have some help. My bad I saw Springman and immediately went to zero tech. I think Rochelle would be a very good 5 tech. Thats what he was recruited for. To replace Tuitt.

I think Jones can play both. I just think, given his body type, he'd be more effective in a one gap system.

Good point with Rochelle.
 

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I thought we all agreed that we would play something akin to a 1-9-1 due to the proliferation of CAT LB's we were bringing in?

MOAR CATS!
 

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I think Jones can play both. I just think, given his body type, he'd be more effective in a one gap system.

Good point with Rochelle.

I think this is true. I think these Dlineman are better suited for a 3-4 one gap system. TJ at II has been saying for awhile thats the type of 3-4 to expect from BVG so we'll have to see if thats the case. I'm sticking with the idea that a base 3-4 is BK's choice and as long as he's HC we'll have some sort of multi front approach, regardless of who's DC.
 

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I think this is true. I think these Dlineman are better suited for a 3-4 one gap system. TJ at II has been saying for awhile thats the type of 3-4 to expect from BVG so we'll have to see if thats the case. I'm sticking with the idea that a base 3-4 is BK's choice and as long as he's HC we'll have some sort of multi front approach, regardless of who's DC.

Exactly. No one will convince me that we are switching to a 4-3 base; Kelly has been very clear that we are not. He said today in his presser that the D will look basically the same as it did under Diaco, although BVG is a different playcaller and that always changes the personality of the unit a little bit.

But he's been equally clear that we are going to play a lot of 4-down, maybe as much or even more than 3-down this year. We are going to be a multiple system for at least one more year.
 
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I think Morgan's usage and development will (unfortunately to some ND fans) be a similar Redfield's last year, although probably not that extreme. Those set ups I have are for when we place Rice and Michigan in my mind. I don't see Morgan ready to be 'the guy' on the first or second team when in a critical position in those games, unless he has to be put there because of injury.

I also want to take the approach of relying on guys who have been in the system, and whatever a stud like Morgan can give us over those guys is just a bonus. Safety, MLB, OL and QB are the positions I just think it is really hard to come in and have a big effect immediately. It takes a lot of time to develop to the point where you can realistically succeed at those positions coming in from HS.

I wonder how differently BVG would've treated Redfield. I still wish they played him more. As for Morgan, it'll probably be determined on how fast he can learn the defense, or at least his assignments. Hard to predict without knowing what BVG's tendencies are in regards to freshman.
 

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I agree with Lucci and this is my stand we will play a lot in the 4-3 but Kelly wants a base 3-4 with that type of personnel. I am very interested in how this turns out.
 

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I wonder how differently BVG would've treated Redfield. I still wish they played him more. As for Morgan, it'll probably be determined on how fast he can learn the defense, or at least his assignments. Hard to predict without knowing what BVG's tendencies are in regards to freshman.

I think that would've been interesting to see as well but keep in mind that Diaco wasn't against playing freshman. In fact we had some pretty impactful freshman during his tenure. KR, Aaron Lynch, and Jaylon Smith come to mind. Day played quite a bit as a freshman on the best dline in the country. I honestly just don't think Redfield was getting it as much as we expected.
 
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