'20 MA OL Zak Zinter (Michigan Verbal)

[Sea Turtle]

Ugh. This kid looks like he eats glass for breakfast and asks for seconds.

 

[Luckylucci]

Unsure of what their new offense will look like but he’s probably a better fit at UM.

 

[BobbyMac]

Michigan all about ND cast offs right now. Zinter tried to commit to ND earlier but was told to wait... hope Quinn knows what he’s doing with Atteberry and Carmody, because otherwise it’s going to look foolish passing on a quality prospect like Zinter.

Zinter is more of what ND has too many of right now, really good HS OT's that'll play OG at ND. But you are right about one thing, IF Carmody and Atteberry don't get done, that will look bad but there's a lot of time and a lot of people that would drop everything to go to ND, like Top 250 OG Chris Mayo.

 

[Irish#1]

Yea sorry. Didn’t want to sound like a fighter. I just think ND has a top 5-10 rivalry in the FBS and I’d love to keep that if possible. I also think it’s necessary to play more local games if u can. Already ND’s schedule is going to be more National than others based on who they are, but if you start adding road games to FSU, Ole Miss and others like that then I think the travel will wear on these guys. That’s been a complaint from this coaching staff is the excessive travel and “On Broadway Play” that they are sometimes. It would be fun to play a lot of the teams you mentioned. I’d play Penn State anytime anywhere. That would be fun.

I grew up watching ND when scUM wasn't on the schedule, so I really don't care if we don't play them every year. Every 3-4 seems better IMO. I wouldn't mind scheduling an SEC team every other year, so we can add that feather to the cap. BK's travel schedule for road game starting last year seems to have helped.

 

[IrishLax]

I grew up ND when scUM wasn't on the schedule, so I really don't care if we don't play them every year. Every 3-4 seems better IMO. I wouldn't mind scheduling an SEC team every other year, so we can add that feather to the cap. BK's travel schedule for road game starting last year seems to have helped.

Just look at their recruiting director subtweeting ND talking about some players doing a study abroad program on racism in South Africa. They are a trash program full of trash people, there is nothing to be gained by playing them.

Realistically, ND should drop both Stanford and Michigan permanently. The end of year west coast trip on "every other year" should be replaced by playing @Hawaii for recruiting purposes on years we aren't finishing @USC. The Michigan game should be replaced with rotating games with national blue bloods like Texas, Florida, Ohio State, etc. that can help recruiting or one-off middle tier programs like Northwestern, Purdue, BYU, Michigan State, etc. to balance the schedule. We gain almost nothing by playing Michigan (as evidenced last year by many people arguing they should jump us despite us being undefeated and them having a loss) and have a lot to lose. We also don't have half the history with Michigan that we do with Michigan State.

We play 5 ACC, which almost always guarantees one "marquee" game from that lot. Then we play USC and Navy, which gets us to 7. We should have 3 cupcakes a la every SEC team. Which gives us two open spots -- one should ideally be a regional foe with minimal travel (Purdue, Northwestern, Indiana, MSU, etc.) and the other would be a rotating home-and-home with a team like Texas, Georgia, Alabama, Oregon, Washington, etc. or if it was a strong looking ACC slate you could do someone like Vandy, UCLA, Cal, etc. or double up on a regional opponent.

The 2020 football schedule is just about perfect except for Arkansas not really having as much cache as some other teams you could put in that slot, and Stanford still being on the schedule instead of a team like MSU/Purdue/Northwestern.

 

[GowerND11]

Just look at their recruiting director subtweeting ND talking about some players doing a study abroad program on racism in South Africa. They are a trash program full of trash people, there is nothing to be gained by playing them.

Realistically, ND should drop both Stanford and Michigan permanently. The end of year west coast trip on "every other year" should be replaced by playing @Hawaii for recruiting purposes on years we aren't finishing @USC. The Michigan game should be replaced with rotating games with national blue bloods like Texas, Florida, Ohio State, etc. that can help recruiting or one-off middle tier programs like Northwestern, Purdue, BYU, Michigan State, etc. to balance the schedule. We gain almost nothing by playing Michigan (as evidenced last year by many people arguing they should jump us despite us being undefeated and them having a loss) and have a lot to lose. We also don't have half the history with Michigan that we do with Michigan State.

We play 5 ACC, which almost always guarantees one "marquee" game from that lot. Then we play USC and Navy, which gets us to 7. We should have 3 cupcakes a la every SEC team. Which gives us two open spots -- one should ideally be a regional foe with minimal travel (Purdue, Northwestern, Indiana, MSU, etc.) and the other would be a rotating home-and-home with a team like Texas, Georgia, Alabama, Oregon, Washington, etc. or if it was a strong looking ACC slate you could do someone like Vandy, UCLA, Cal, etc. or double up on a regional opponent.

The 2020 football schedule is just about perfect except for Arkansas not really having as much cache as some other teams you could put in that slot, and Stanford still being on the schedule instead of a team like MSU/Purdue/Northwestern.

 

[greyhammer90]

We should've stopped forever after 2015, but money talks.

 

[BobbyMac]

We should've stopped forever after 2015, but money talks.

You far away guys don't get the local demand for these games. When you live in Michiana, the Region or Chicagoland, this is the biggest game, not SC. In my hometown of Michigan City, IN, ND/MI gameday is as big as it gets, in any sport.

I don't agree with it, I could care less if they played. I'd rather play Mich St, Purdue and Northwestern.

 

[greyhammer90]

You far away guys don't get the local demand for these games. When you live in Michiana, the Region or Chicagoland, this is the biggest game, not SC. In my hometown of Michigan City, IN, ND/MI gameday is as big as it gets, in any sport.

I don't agree with it, I could care less if they played. I'd rather play Mich St, Purdue and Northwestern.

Oh I get it. It's easily my biggest game every year that they play. There's not a team I hate more. But as has been said before, ND playing Michigan does more for Michigan than ND. If we're going to give the spotlight to a regional historical rival or have a huge must-see game, let it be Michigan State or OSU respectively.

 

[Irish#1]

I will say, one of my fondest memories is of Harry Oliver and his 51yd FG to put a dagger in Bo's heart.

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[longliveautrydenson]

ND fans in the college football subreddit are getting downvoted to hell for saying that we passed on this kid. Sometimes the truth hurts.

 

[greyhammer90]

ND fans in the college football subreddit are getting downvoted to hell for saying that we passed on this kid. Sometimes the truth hurts.

It's pretty douchey to do that on a kid's commitment thread.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

It's pretty douchey to do that on a kid's commitment thread.

Absolutely

 

[longliveautrydenson]

It's pretty douchey to do that on a kid's commitment thread.

Not really, someone offered an assessment of his skill set and explained why ND passed. Recruits only get one thread each, where else are you going to discuss his recruitment?

 

[snoopdog]

Personally I am pleased that he didn't get to commit to ND.

While big and apparently powerful, was not close to acceptable mobility for P5 football

 

[BobbyMac]

Personally I am pleased that he didn't get to commit to ND.

While big and apparently powerful, was not close to acceptable mobility for P5 football

Woah Snoop... There are a lot of good P5 programs who strongly disagree with you.

 

[snoopdog]

Agreed. Michigan being first and foremost. I just prefer more athletic oline men.

 

[BobbyMac]

Still would like to know WHO said no. Did Quinn pass cuz he thought he had better options or did Chip Long / Bayou B tell Quinn he couldn't take him and at some point, reduced his '20 class size to 2? This one really sticks in my craw cuz Zinter shoulda been a BPA / flip candidate especially after the staff got the '19 class in camp and knew what they had. The fact that Monheim was a Jan '20 late take as the #3 OL in the '20 class makes passing on Zinter (and not giving him the same status as Monheim) even more egregious.

This profile's a good re-read.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Still would like to know WHO said no. Did Quinn pass cuz he thought he had better options or did Chip Long / Bayou B tell Quinn he couldn't take him and at some point, reduced his '20 class size to 2? This one really sticks in my craw cuz Zinter shoulda been a BPA / flip candidate especially after the staff got the '19 class in camp and knew what they had. The fact that Monheim was a Jan '20 late take as the #3 OL in the '20 class makes passing on Zinter (and not giving him the same status as Monheim) even more egregious.

This profile's a good re-read.

I'm not saying it was Del's fault....but...

 

[NDIrish88]

Still would like to know WHO said no. Did Quinn pass cuz he thought he had better options or did Chip Long / Bayou B tell Quinn he couldn't take him and at some point, reduced his '20 class size to 2? This one really sticks in my craw cuz Zinter shoulda been a BPA / flip candidate especially after the staff got the '19 class in camp and knew what they had. The fact that Monheim was a Jan '20 late take as the #3 OL in the '20 class makes passing on Zinter (and not giving him the same status as Monheim) even more egregious.

This profile's a good re-read.

Second this. Bump

 

[BobbyMac]

I'm not saying it was Del's fault....but...

Interesting you bring up Del cuz he was in town...

 

[NDFAN2008]

Man this guy wanted ND and we told him no what a big mistake

 

[IrishLax]

Man this guy wanted ND and we told him no what a big mistake

We seem to have a few of these every year. I get that you can’t take everyone, but this shows the importance of over-recruiting. It wasn’t long ago that we almost passed on Drue Tranquil for dumb questions on his size/speed and him being a “tweener” and he’s now a multi-year NFL starter on top of having been a perfect cultural fit for ND.

 

[NDMatt91]

Man this guy wanted ND and we told him no what a big mistake

Same class that Skoronski was in.

 

[notredomer23]

Hurts worse when you realize the linemen ND did take in that class were Tosh Baker and Michael Carmody

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

Can someone put a bug in his ear and get him to transfer for a year? He could finish his career with his brother. Somebody make this happen.

 

[dublinirish]

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[ColinKSU]

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Yikes. Poor kid.

 

[Crazy Balki]

Big blow for Michigan, but fuck them.

Feel bad for Zinter. Despite being a scUM man, he seems like a good guy.

 

[T-Boone]

That is him quitting on his team - got to play through that, like 1900 -2015.