'20 KY TE Michael Mayer (Notre Dame Signee)

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One of my best buddies is a UGA fan, I had to hear about Bowers all year and we debated who was the better TE. Since they weren't in the same draft class, we bet 1k on who would get drafted the highest. I'm shocked, I really thought Mayer was top 10 when I made the bet....and at least top 20...this sucks. I just got over the ball busting of the Mackey award and now this.
 
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Huntr said:
The Ghost approves!

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Sea Turtle said:
The Cowboys wanted La Porta over Mayer as well.

You guys are just biased. Nothing wrong with that. We all enjoyed watching Mayer play.
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Is this missing italics? It's war crime level to even compare Mayer to....this guy.

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The Lions are sooooo stupid. What a horrible draft. This is one of the worst in recent memory. I think Branch was a good pick. I was starting to become a Lions fan too. At least my Bears are building the right way.
 
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Mayer is an old school Tight End. That's fine. He's great at that. Modern teams want the new breed of Tight End. A weapon like Gronk or Gonzalez.

Mayer, La Porte, Kincaid, Schoonmaker, what's the difference? If you want to be a high first round pick, there better be a big difference. Especially in a very deep Tight End draft. Mayer was simply used more at ND out of necessity.
 
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Sea Turtle said:
The Cowboys wanted La Porta over Mayer as well.

You guys are just biased. Nothing wrong with that. We all enjoyed watching Mayer play.
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We're not biased, we're informed. You watch a guy play for years at the level he did and you look at all of the other ELITE ND TEs that he was better than // a more complete player then... and you know how good he is going to be. This is no different than when Hamilton fell because of his 40 time and we (and other draft experts) said "yeah this is stupid" and then he was basically as good as it gets at safety as a rookie and will only get better. It's no different than when JOK fell to the second round because of size and then ended up as one of the highest graded LBs prior to getting hurt. We watch infinitely more reps of these guys than any of these scouts who are trying to evaluate hundreds of players with little context. That's why scouts focus so much on projection and measurables.

LaPorta ran a 4.59 and Mayer ran a 4.7. That's how you end up ignoring metrics tons of film and production to pick a guy with "upside." I will literally bet any amount of money at 1:1 odds that Mayer will finish this year with more production than LaPorta.
 
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We're not biased, we're informed. You watch a guy play for years at the level he did and you look at all of the other ELITE ND TEs that he was better than // a more complete player then... and you know how good he is going to be. This is no different than when Hamilton fell because of his 40 time and we (and other draft experts) said "yeah this is stupid" and then he was basically as good as it gets at safety as a rookie and will only get better. It's no different than when JOK fell to the second round because of size and then ended up as one of the highest graded LBs prior to getting hurt. We watch infinitely more reps of these guys than any of these scouts who are trying to evaluate hundreds of players with little context. That's why scouts focus so much on projection and measurables.

LaPorta ran a 4.59 and Mayer ran a 4.7. That's how you end up ignoring metrics tons of film and production to pick a guy with "upside." I will literally bet any amount of money at 1:1 odds that Mayer will finish this year with more production than LaPorta.
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Not to mention the 40 is a stupid test. They aren’t running in gear and it’s perfect scenario conditions.
 
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IrishLax said:
We're not biased, we're informed. You watch a guy play for years at the level he did and you look at all of the other ELITE ND TEs that he was better than // a more complete player then... and you know how good he is going to be. This is no different than when Hamilton fell because of his 40 time and we (and other draft experts) said "yeah this is stupid" and then he was basically as good as it gets at safety as a rookie and will only get better. It's no different than when JOK fell to the second round because of size and then ended up as one of the highest graded LBs prior to getting hurt. We watch infinitely more reps of these guys than any of these scouts who are trying to evaluate hundreds of players with little context. That's why scouts focus so much on projection and measurables.

LaPorta ran a 4.59 and Mayer ran a 4.7. That's how you end up ignoring metrics tons of film and production to pick a guy with "upside." I will literally bet any amount of money at 1:1 odds that Mayer will finish this year with more production than LaPorta.
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Everything you said is fair and could be correct.

The Raiders could feature Mayer far more than others featur their guys.

Schoonmaker will be a good comp. McCarthy loves him and will use him a lot in his offense as a balanced TE who is th best blocking TE in the draft and had a RAS of 9.3.
 
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Mayer is an old school Tight End. That's fine. He's great at that. Modern teams want the new breed of Tight End. A weapon like Gronk or Gonzalez.

Mayer, La Porte, Kincaid, Schoonmaker, what's the difference? If you want to be a high first round pick, there better be a big difference. Especially in a very deep Tight End draft. Mayer was simply used more at ND out of necessity.
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Common themes over the last 6 months...

Pyne was not good
WR were well below average
Tommy was hit and miss as OC

So even if his stats were inflated because of necessity, as you claim, he did so as being the only weapon on a challenged offense. He still put those numbers up against many good defenses. You argument holds no water with me.
 
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Common themes over the last 6 months...

Pyne was not good
WR were well below average
Tommy was hit and miss as OC

So even if his stats were inflated because of necessity, as you claim, he did so as being the only weapon on a challenged offense. He still put those numbers up against many good defenses. You argument holds no water with me.
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That's fair. I'll trust the scouts, coaches and gm's.
 
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One other thing. If nothing else, Mayer can fall back on his hair. You just don't see hair like that anymore. Feathered, coiffed and lethal.

In fact, I saw him drinkin' a piña colada at Trader Vic's
His hair was perfect
 
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IrishLax said:
We're not biased, we're informed. You watch a guy play for years at the level he did and you look at all of the other ELITE ND TEs that he was better than // a more complete player then... and you know how good he is going to be. This is no different than when Hamilton fell because of his 40 time and we (and other draft experts) said "yeah this is stupid" and then he was basically as good as it gets at safety as a rookie and will only get better. It's no different than when JOK fell to the second round because of size and then ended up as one of the highest graded LBs prior to getting hurt. We watch infinitely more reps of these guys than any of these scouts who are trying to evaluate hundreds of players with little context. That's why scouts focus so much on projection and measurables.

LaPorta ran a 4.59 and Mayer ran a 4.7. That's how you end up ignoring metrics tons of film and production to pick a guy with "upside." I will literally bet any amount of money at 1:1 odds that Mayer will finish this year with more production than LaPorta.
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At this point, all we can do as fans is close our mouths & open our eyes & hope Mayer proves them all wrong. It’s put up or shut up time now.

ND last 11 starting TE have been drafted by an NFL team. That’s not nothing. BTW, Dalton Kincaid & Brock Bowers are WR IMO. THey’ll also be awesome Fantasy Football players if they’re as infallible as the scouts claim they are.
 
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I've followed LaPorta since HS. He's a different level of ATH than Mayer. Mayer had the better college career for sure and I like where he landed with Jimmy G and having Adams & Meyers clear out the middle of the field for him. LaPorta's doesn't have that as ASB is a 10 ypc guy.

Interesting that this is the second time he replaced TJ Hockenson... who I think he passed to become Iowa's all-time leading receiver at TE.

In the end, Meyer won this battle. He lives in Vegas while LaPorta's stuck in Detroit. That's worth the small amount of $ he lost being picked first.
 
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Interesting tweet-thread about short area burst x missed tackles generated. The next post has Mayer & LaPorta's graph.

 
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They're just different type of athletes. The Utah and Iowa players are in the Jimmy Graham mold and Meyer is Gronk-lite.
NFL draft is usually all about potential and measurable over production with the top guys having both.
Meyer is going to be a 15 year starter that puts up really good numbers and is a complete player.

For what it's worth, I prefer my tight ends to be equal parts receiver and blocker not just a big slot.
 
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One wonders where Gronkowski was on that graph.

Mike Mayer made his living playing Bully with DBacks and LBs. He comes off the Line of Scrimmage, and the opponent is right on him. He then hits that opponent with something --- some clever almost casual-seeming part of one arm usually --- and the opponent goes kattywampus for a stride and "separation" occurs. Actually rather awesome to watch. It is Mayer's way to get separation the majority of the time. If the QB can deliver on time, then even with the opponent catching up, Mayer shields him off with the big body, and the best hands in college football catch the ball, even with the recovering opponent hitting him.

So I wonder: do the pros DOUBT that he can bully those same guys at the pro level? Is this why they pick (to me) obviously inferior TEs?
 
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He's set up for a lot of success in today's NFL. He is the complete package and smaller LBs and dB's are going to get bullied non stop by him. Will root for him every week except if and when he plays the bears
 
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Old Man Mike said:
One wonders where Gronkowski was on that graph.

Mike Mayer made his living playing Bully with DBacks and LBs. He comes off the Line of Scrimmage, and the opponent is right on him. He then hits that opponent with something --- some clever almost casual-seeming part of one arm usually --- and the opponent goes kattywampus for a stride and "separation" occurs. Actually rather awesome to watch. It is Mayer's way to get separation the majority of the time. If the QB can deliver on time, then even with the opponent catching up, Mayer shields him off with the big body, and the best hands in college football catch the ball, even with the recovering opponent hitting him.

So I wonder: do the pros DOUBT that he can bully those same guys at the pro level? Is this why they pick (to me) obviously inferior TEs?
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Gronk's graph:

 
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ND88 said:
Think of the depths at which so many dumbass teams had their heads so far down their respective nether regions to allow the Raiders to pick up a player who will be a future Hall of Famer. I hope every team who passed over him crashes and burns. (Lions suck as usual.) Make em look even more stupid, Mike.
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I'm not sure what to make of this post. There are probably teams he didn't even meet with because they were not in the market for a tight end and had positions that were of greater need for their respective rosters.

Are you literally that angry at the other 31 teams for not taking him? I don't even think the Dolphins had a pick the first two days.
 
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