'20 KY ATH Landen Bartleson

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I don't mind kids smoking weed or drinking. They all do it. But stealing guns is a different level and who knows what he would have done with them if he wasn't caught.

And you can be a tough guy without being a felon.

There are only a few things you do with a pile of stolen guns AND a stolen car and none of them are good.
I just can't get over how colossally stupid this kid must be though.
 
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I don't mind kids smoking weed or drinking. They all do it. But stealing guns is a different level and who knows what he would have done with them if he wasn't caught.

And you can be a tough guy without being a felon.

Please don’t get me wrong, I get what your saying. But who knows the details around the situation? To just say he isn’t ND worthy isn’t fair. I say, if he can take it to the house like Moss, than let’s reconsider. It really all comes down to how g ood/how much time the coach is willing to put in but I bet Dabo/Urban/Saban can work within though.
 

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Disagree. If he can take it to the house with the big boys, than I’m sold. Fuck all the church boy BS. Give me play makers.

This take is probably not the most popular but I’m inpatient

We should definitely go to the prison transfer portal. I want people that have kilt in the streets on this team now.
 

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I remember but I was 7 years old. Felony charges aren’t something I want to see on this team even if that means not winning the whole enchilada.

I was like 7 too and barely remember. A felony is just a charge, please keep in mind, and again I ask who knows the details around the situation? A lot of kids get wound up in shit they shouldn’t. Can we at least agree on that? I know I did at 16/17 pre-college. Be careful to offer judgment, especially if he takes it to the house. Lou would.
 

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I feel really good about next season now. Like Allen Pinkett says, Notre Dame needs more criminals. This is a step in the right direction.
 

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Disagree. If he can take it to the house with the big boys, than I’m sold. Fuck all the church boy BS. Give me play makers.

This take is probably not the most popular but I’m inpatient

I’d argue we probably haven’t taken enough. There is a fine line, granted, but I’m tired of playing second fiddle. If we need to offer “opportunity” to hoist the trophy than so be it.

Second chance, opportunity isn’t a bad thing. 18 is young and damn I got into shit last night, let alone as an 18 year old.

BK has this, relax and welcome. Tired of milk drinkers, give me some God Damn beer drinkers. There’s a fuck you mentality that most folks will never understand.

Please don’t get me wrong, I get what your saying. But who knows the details around the situation? To just say he isn’t ND worthy isn’t fair. I say, if he can take it to the house like Moss, than let’s reconsider. It really all comes down to how g ood/how much time the coach is willing to put in but I bet Dabo/Urban/Saban can work within though.

I was like 7 too and barely remember. A felony is just a charge, please keep in mind, and again I ask who knows the details around the situation? A lot of kids get wound up in shit they shouldn’t. Can we at least agree on that? I know I did at 16/17 pre-college. Be careful to offer judgment, especially if he takes it to the house. Lou would.

Wow these are some bad takes.
 

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Very disturbing that the other two guys were only 16 and leading me to believe that "our" guy was the leader of this action.
 

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I guess no one in this forum believe in innocent until proven guilty.

I mean it doesn’t look good for him, but I do believe in innocent until proven guilty.


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Wow these are some great takes.

Fixed. See how that works. How old were you when we last win it all, curious please? ‘Ship rings from then resemble today’s wedding ring.

What do you think Lou would do if this was a Randy Moss talent? My guess is the same he did back then.

And, there are still not a detail around the situation. Every conclusion you’ve came to is based on assumptions.
 

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I guess no one in this forum believe in innocent until proven guilty.

I mean it doesn’t look good for him, but I do believe in innocent until proven guilty.


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What if Landen has a younger brother who is 16 and took Landen’s ID since his brother is 18. Siblings taking older siblings ID’s, doing mischief and getting arrested happens often.

Again doesn’t look good for him. But I’ll hold my judgement as innocent until proven guilty.


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I feel really good about next season now. Like Allen Pinkett says, Notre Dame needs more criminals. This is a step in the right direction.

Lol. Poorly worded for sure, but I understand his point. He looks around and sees a certain championship mentality winning rings. And then he looks at ND. And then he probably listens to Lou speak and remembers. Because he was part of it. He must be more frustrated than anyone. Kind of like me when I speak of my school...there’s high frustration because it’s no longer what we worked so hard for.

We’re very, very close, however. Maybe a player or two away at the right position to move that needle. For the right talent, if they display remorse and stay out of trouble, I’d be willing to give a 2nd chance.

I’d be interested to hear people’s thoughts if this was Buchner? Is that a no tolerance policy too?
 

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Lol. Poorly worded for sure, but I understand his point. He looks around and sees a certain championship mentality winning rings. And then he looks at ND. And then he probably listens to Lou speak and remembers. Because he was part of it. He must be more frustrated than anyone. Kind of like me when I speak of my school...there’s high frustration because it’s no longer what we worked so hard for.

We’re very, very close, however. Maybe a player or two away at the right position to move that needle. For the right talent, if they display remorse and stay out of trouble, I’d be willing to give a 2nd chance.

I’d be interested to hear people’s thoughts if this was Buchner? Is that a no tolerance policy too?

I don’t care who it is, if this is true Notre Dame isn’t taking him. At a certain point, actions have consequences. No matter how good of a player you are. That being said, I’ll wait for it to play out and wish the kid the best.
 

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Fixed. See how that works. How old were you when we last win it all, curious please? ‘Ship rings from then resemble today’s wedding ring.

What do you think Lou would do if this was a Randy Moss talent? My guess is the same he did back then.

And, there are still not a detail around the situation. Every conclusion you’ve came to is based on assumptions.

Just stop ......
 

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Fixed. See how that works. How old were you when we last win it all, curious please? ‘Ship rings from then resemble today’s wedding ring.

What do you think Lou would do if this was a Randy Moss talent? My guess is the same he did back then.

And, there are still not a detail around the situation. Every conclusion you’ve came to is based on assumptions.

seriously.

this take is everything that's wrong with sports.

and I have a feeling you totally mean it.
 

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Damn. Some serious charges here. I hope this kid didn’t just screw up his life and career before it even began. I’ll await further info but this is not a good look.
 

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Honestly thought he was our best CB prospect, by a large margin. This would sting.
 

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If we dropped him now would the optics for ND he bad ? When was the last time someone screwed up this bad before getting here. I know about Moss. Not a good sign if he’s already pulling this kind of nonsense. How did he have the grades to get in and then does something this stupid. Does he have both parents involved in his life? He just made the wrong 40 year decision. Can’t we go grab someone from the portal? Thank God Crawford is coming back.
 

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Randy Moss

Randy Moss

This could be a first. He will never see the field at Notre Dame and probably is finished before he ever gets on campus. Has Notre Dame ever had a signed-commit get kicked out of school before reporting to campus?

He was the headlining signee in ‘95 but had his acceptance withdrawn due in large part to arrest/conviction for being involved in a fight. He was ok at football.
 

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If they aren’t already, they need to put the full court press on Cameron Martinez.
 

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Lol. Poorly worded for sure, but I understand his point. He looks around and sees a certain championship mentality winning rings. And then he looks at ND. And then he probably listens to Lou speak and remembers. Because he was part of it. He must be more frustrated than anyone. Kind of like me when I speak of my school...there’s high frustration because it’s no longer what we worked so hard for.

We’re very, very close, however. Maybe a player or two away at the right position to move that needle. For the right talent, if they display remorse and stay out of trouble, I’d be willing to give a 2nd chance.

I’d be interested to hear people’s thoughts if this was Buchner? Is that a no tolerance policy too?

Your takes keep getting worse. FFS
 

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Take the time to see if he truly was involved before ruining his name. If it comes out true, he's no longer invited.

And the thought that ND needs to recruit criminals to win NCs is pretty fucking dumb. How many criminals were on the field for the playoff teams? How many criminals were on ND's team on last year's playoff team?
 

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Very disturbing that the other two guys were only 16 and leading me to believe that "our" guy was the leader of this action.

Doubt it. There were probably a number of older individuals involved beyond the immediate burglary.
 

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He was the headlining signee in ‘95 but had his acceptance withdrawn due in large part to arrest/conviction for being involved in a fight. He was ok at football.

Myth. Moss was NEVER accepted academically by ND Admissions.

In '95 Lou tried to finesse two academically unqualified recruits past Admissions, Moss and a 5 star RB who IIRC went to Miami. ND Admissions Director, Kevin Rooney, took a firm line and without his Imprimatur NO applicant nor recruit became an ND student. Keep in mind at ND the emphasis in the term student/athlete is on the first word. Back in those day an offer was not actionable UNTIL Admissions signed off and they had not done that for these two recruits.

This was not the first run-in between Holtz and Football (Full Time) Recruiting Coordinator Vinny Cerrato and ND Admission. They had battled for most of Vinny's years at ND. There was acrimony beneath the surface. Circa 1990 head coaches at other programs jealous of Cerrato's success at recruiting and Lou's success on the field
with Vinny's recruits got an NCAA rule passed prohibiting a Full Time Recruiting Coordinator position which Cerrato was at ND. Nicknamed, The Cerrato Rule, it required Recruiting Coordinators to be a full time Position Coach. The ND Administration did not oppose the rule as they were not pleased with some of the recruits Cerrato had brought in nor with him "trying to work" Admissions. Cerrato's last recruiting class graduated ND after the '93 season concurrent with ND's downhill slide on the gridiron.

In '95 Lou tried again for a Hail Mary on Signing Day. Rooney, put his foot down, Malloy, Beauchamp, and Wadsworth concurred. This was one of the issues in Lou's departure two years later.I think it was about a year later that Lou made a comment at a presser that ND was just 2 players short of being a prime time contender. He didn't mention names nor positions but those aware of the back story knew he wasn't generalizing nor talking about "The 85 Scholarship Rule". He specifically meant the two rejected as academically unqualified for ND in the Class of '95.

I wrote an article on the situation back then for the Irish Recruiting Journal. I had several solid sources familiar with the incident including one on the football staff and one in Admissions. Some years later Murray Sperber wrote about the incident without this much detail in "Shake Down The Thunder: The Creation of Notre Dame Football". Sperber pointed out that 1995 incident underscored the distinction of Notre Dame from the football factories. It still does.

And for those who whine annually about more lenient academic admission requirements keep in mind that the ND academics improved dramatically during the tenure of Father Ted and Monk Malloy. ND has one of the finest tutoring programs which helps athletes who skipped through high school academics to adjust to and succeed in the highly competitive ND classroom environment for those who apply themselves. I believe Rooney did not see that commitment in those rejected. I suspect they would have been academic transfers after their first semester.
 
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