'19 TN SDE Joseph Anderson (Offer)

[NDIrish88]

So did loy update his CB to someone not ND?

 

[BobbyMac]

Looks like he flipped it to SCar. (?)

More importantly, his visit for the B&G Game hass been deleted from his timeline.

Where there is smoke, there is fire.

 

[Big23Head]

So did loy update his CB to someone not ND?

Correct. Not sure the reasoning, academic issue was mentioned quite a while back so maybe that hurdle won't be accomplished

 

[NDIrish88]

Wow what a wasted recruiting effort on the DEs.

 

[IrishLion]

Wow what a wasted recruiting effort on the DEs.

I wouldn't necessarily say "wasted," as the staff needs to put in the time until they learn why it will or will not work... they're starting to get their answers on guys in that regard.

The board is going to change a few more times before NSD 8 months from now.

That's not wasted effort... that's just the job.

 

[BobbyMac]

Correct. Not sure the reasoning, academic issue was mentioned quite a while back so maybe that hurdle won't be accomplished

Books has been a common theme over the past two weeks. It has even spilled into the comment sections of various tweets. The word got out, ND's been offering a new pool of DE's and now with 247 has pulled his visit off the timeline. It' done.

Wow what a wasted recruiting effort on the DEs.

That's how it goes. I wish they offered more guys they like early and let them fizzle if they don't have the books. The last thing we need as ND fans is the Stanford recruiting model where they offer 40 guys a class. I'd die of boredom.

 

[NDIrish88]

As long as we can get good pass rushers it's all good

 

[Luckylucci]

Books has been a common theme over the past two weeks. It has even spilled into the comment sections of various tweets. The word got out, ND's been offering a new pool of DE's and now with 247 has pulled his visit off the timeline. It' done.



That's how it goes. I wish they offered more guys they like early and let them fizzle if they don't have the books. The last thing we need as ND fans is the Stanford recruiting model where they offer 40 guys a class. I'd die of boredom.

They've actually offered 27 "DE's" so far this cycle. In fact, they've offered more DE's in the 19' class already, than they did with the 18' class, which was 26. These numbers per a Sinclair article.

 

[Ndaccountant]

Between this and Nana, its a big letdown. Sure, program isn't going to dissolve. But the ability to get to next level athleticism and play rested on these two early "leans". I am sure we can get some good guys, but these two were important.

 

[arrowryan]

Makes sense why they've offered every HS d-linemen that can walk within the last 2 weeks. No one should be surprised though as this is what happens every year; they are the king of leading for kids and then just shitting the bed. No sure why Robbins out of Indy doesn't have an offer yet.

 

[Luckylucci]

Makes sense why they've offered every HS d-linemen that can walk within the last 2 weeks. No one should be surprised though as this is what happens every year; they are the king of leading for kids and then just shitting the bed. No sure why Robbins out of Indy doesn't have an offer yet.

Huh? On average, we recruit better than a majority (not all but most) of teams on our schedule, year in and year out.

I guess I didn't think we had to rehash this all the time but Phil J, Jayson A, Derrick Allen, Houston Griffith, Lamb, Bauer, Boykin, DJ Brown, and Kevin Austin (I could keep going but you get the point). Were all wanted by big time programs at one point or another.

 

[BobbyMac]

They've actually offered 27 "DE's" so far this cycle. In fact, they've offered more DE's in the 19' class already, than they did with the 18' class, which was 26. These numbers per a Sinclair article.

Numbers today don't count in what I'm talking about. I'm saying get in early like they did with Anderson who got his offer a year ago.

DE's offered during their Jr season or before were:

J Anderson
Hinton
Karlaftis
Stripling
Thibodeaux
Harrison
Bargy

ND needs to get after guaranteed 4*+ fits during their Soph season or camp season after soph year at the latest. Get them visiting earlier, build relationships earlier.

2020 offers:

ND = 31
Miami = 49
OSU = 53
FSU = 58
Bama = 68
Mich = 90
UGA = 98

Don't get out worked. And don't worry about hurdles, ND loses guys all the time because of hurdles. J Anderson was a great early offer, it didn't work out but many others would have.

Giving UGA, Bama and OSU a year head start is not wise.

 

[arrowryan]

Huh? On average, we recruit better than a majority (not all but most) of teams on our schedule, year in and year out.

I guess I didn't think we had to rehash this all the time but Phil J, Jayson A, Derrick Allen, Houston Griffith, Lamb, Bauer, Boykin, DJ Brown, and Kevin Austin (I could keep going but you get the point). Were all wanted by big time programs at one point or another.

I'm not saying we don't land highly coveted guys, but we lose out on them more often than not. The staff seemed to have everything figured out for the class and primed for a monster class, but kids are slowly flaking out one by one.

 

[Luckylucci]

I'm not saying we don't land highly coveted guys, but we lose out on them more often than not. The staff seemed to have everything figured out for the class and primed for a monster class, but kids are slowly flaking out one by one.

You've been following this too long for this response. Most programs offer 4 to 5 times the amount of prospects that they eventually sign. So, basically every program loses more than they win, by A LOT.

There might be 3 or 4 programs that actually sign as much as 50% of the committable offers they send out. And that's probably pushing it.

 

[arrowryan]

You've been following this too long for this response. Most programs offer 4 to 5 times the amount of prospects that they eventually sign. So, basically every program loses more than they win, by A LOT.

There might be 3 or 4 programs that actually sign as much as 50% of the committable offers they send out. And that's probably pushing it.

I'm talking about guys we SHOULD NOT lose out on. I realize that its impossible to land every kid that you offer.

I'm not trying to say that the sky is falling. You and I both know that recruiting is a fun hobby but it can be annoying sometimes. You said it earlier about how people were getting antsy with DB recruiting last cycle, but it turned out to be a really good haul.

I know that, in the end, the staff will fill out the 2019 class with good players and players who WANT to play for Notre Dame. But when you realize how close Notre Dame is to getting over that hump and into the playoffs, losing guys like NaNa and Joseph are tough to swallow because we know that they are guys that could get us over that hump.

Its all good though. I'm confident we will get players who will play winning football in South Bend.

 

[IrishLion]

I'm talking about guys we SHOULD NOT lose out on. I realize that its impossible to land every kid that you offer.

I'm not trying to say that the sky is falling. You and I both know that recruiting is a fun hobby but it can be annoying sometimes. You said it earlier about how people were getting antsy with DB recruiting last cycle, but it turned out to be a really good haul.

I know that, in the end, the staff will fill out the 2019 class with good players and players who WANT to play for Notre Dame. But when you realize how close Notre Dame is to getting over that hump and into the playoffs, losing guys like NaNa and Joseph are tough to swallow because we know that they are guys that could get us over that hump.

Its all good though. I'm confident we will get players who will play winning football in South Bend.

What makes NaNa and Joseph guys that the staff SHOULD NOT miss on though? The fact that ND lead at one point? That means nothing when one kid is getting reeled in by the home state school, and when the other obviously has some roadblocks that the staff can't do anything about.

There are very few sure-things in recruiting, and the two you references aren't ones to get all worked up over in terms of the staff and how they recruit. If they let a bunch of top-dogs slip away for lack of effort? That's a good time to be pissed. But that's not what's happening with the DE's right now.

 

[arrowryan]

What makes NaNa and Joseph guys that the staff SHOULD NOT miss on though? The fact that ND lead at one point? That means nothing when one kid is getting reeled in by the home state school, and when the other obviously has some roadblocks that the staff can't do anything about.

There are very few sure-things in recruiting, and the two you references aren't ones to get all worked up over in terms of the staff and how they recruit. If they let a bunch of top-dogs slip away for lack of effort? That's a good time to be pissed. But that's not what's happening with the DE's right now.

Losing out on Nana is more understandable than losing Anderson, IMO. Nana going to a school that is close to home and they have a good coach, I get it.

We had reportedly been leading for Anderson for a long time. If he would've gone to Tennessee, I would've been understanding. Instead, he is probably going to South Carolina.

 

[Luckylucci]

What makes NaNa and Joseph guys that the staff SHOULD NOT miss on though? The fact that ND lead at one point? That means nothing when one kid is getting reeled in by the home state school, and when the other obviously has some roadblocks that the staff can't do anything about.

There are very few sure-things in recruiting, and the two you references aren't ones to get all worked up over in terms of the staff and how they recruit. If they let a bunch of top-dogs slip away for lack of effort? That's a good time to be pissed. But that's not what's happening with the DE's right now.

Precisely, this is nothing more than an exercise that ND nation does every single year. Certain prospects become guys ND SHOULD NOT miss on and it's all down hill after that.

When in reality, we should all go into every single cycle realizing that we won't land ALL of the guys we SHOULD land. Then we'll probably land some guys we shouldn't.

Sinclair had a great article up on 247 recently and basically now is not time for dramatic assertions about ND recruiting, one way or another.

Last year at this time. Lamb, Boykin, Tremble, Bracy, and Patterson didn't even have offers. Houston Griffith wanted OSU, Kevin Austin was certainly not a sure thing, Ademilola's were flirting with OSU and Bama, and Keys seemed LSU or south bound.

 

[Luckylucci]

Losing out on Nana is more understandable than losing Anderson, IMO. Nana going to a school that is close to home and they have a good coach, I get it.

We had reportedly been leading for Anderson for a long time. If he would've gone to Tennessee, I would've been understanding. Instead, he is probably going to South Carolina.

Dude, you are clearly not paying attention. This is academics related. What else do you want the staff to do. He's clearly not putting in the work that they expected him to.

 

[BobbyMac]

Losing out on Nana is more understandable than losing Anderson, IMO. Nana going to a school that is close to home and they have a good coach, I get it.

We had reportedly been leading for Anderson for a long time. If he would've gone to Tennessee, I would've been understanding. Instead, he is probably going to South Carolina.

But if he was lost over some aspect of academic hurdles, that's most understandable situation of all.

 

[BobbyMac]

Dude, you are clearly not paying attention. This is academics related. What else do you want the staff to do. He's clearly not putting in the work that they expected him to.

Is it public knowledge that this is a lazy issue vs. say a test score issue?

Hate to say a guy's not getting in because he's not doing the work to qualify vs he's not able to qualify.

 

[Luckylucci]

Is it public knowledge that this is a lazy issue vs. say a test score issue?

Hate to say a guy's not getting in because he's not doing the work to qualify vs he's not able to qualify.

I don't know the answer to that. The way it was worded had me thinking grades/course requirements, because he's got a quite awhile for ACT/SAT scores to matter.

 

[NDIrish88]

Good call. Plus if we take him and he can't keep his books in order he will drop anyway.

 

[BobbyMac]

Wiltfong, Sinclair and a S. Caro analyst all with non-ND CB's.

Nail in coffin. Light a candle at the Grotto.

Heading over to the Zeke Correll thread, that's where IE keeps the good news.

 

[NDdomer2]

What makes NaNa and Joseph guys that the staff SHOULD NOT miss on though? The fact that ND lead at one point? That means nothing when one kid is getting reeled in by the home state school, and when the other obviously has some roadblocks that the staff can't do anything about.

There are very few sure-things in recruiting, and the two you references aren't ones to get all worked up over in terms of the staff and how they recruit. If they let a bunch of top-dogs slip away for lack of effort? That's a good time to be pissed. But that's not what's happening with the DE's right now.

Not really a part of all this recruiting sucks talk but i will say we have spent some serious resources on some of these guys, and to me that makes it important to land them. Those resources could have been spent elsewhere (not that I'm saying i know where) that may have yielded a better end result. It's a quasi hypothetical but still also true to a degree.

 

[Crazy Balki]

What makes NaNa and Joseph guys that the staff SHOULD NOT miss on though? The fact that ND lead at one point? That means nothing when one kid is getting reeled in by the home state school, and when the other obviously has some roadblocks that the staff can't do anything about.

There are very few sure-things in recruiting, and the two you references aren't ones to get all worked up over in terms of the staff and how they recruit. If they let a bunch of top-dogs slip away for lack of effort? That's a good time to be pissed. But that's not what's happening with the DE's right now.

With Nana, he's from a devout Catholic family, goes to a Catholic school, has visited on his own dime and plays at a position of need for ND. He and his family were also quite vocal about loving ND. The fit was certainly there.

Maybe "SHOULD NOT" is a bit extreme, but if ND is going to land a higher rated kid from Texas, this is likely the guy. And it's not like Texas set the world on fire last year, and weren't even really a major factor prior to his visit. A&M was the primary competition.

Anderson isn't a miss. At the end of the day, grades are his responsibility and if he's not making it, then it's on him.

Overall, I get the frustration. Nana seemed like a slam dunk at a position where we don't generally do well at, and now it seems like he's trending away, and I don't see names of his caliber on the board. I know that their rankings only mean so much, but ND needs to start landing more guys like NaNa.

 

[ab2cmiller]

Oh what could've been

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[NDMIA]

Joseph Anderson and Zacch Pickens to South Carolina. Amazing haul at DE for South Carolina.

 

[BeauBenken]

A real shame here. Wish there was something he/we could do to make this happen.

 

[NDMIA]

A real shame here. Wish there was something he/we could do to make this happen.

Don't think its any fault of ND's. Just unfortunately the dude couldn't meet the standards required by ND. That's not a knock on his ability or character because I don't know him and he's a fantastic talent, but there are some guys that ND just can't take.