'18 SC QB Sam Hartman (Notre Dame Transfer)

[Lberry]

So do you think the best QB in the transfer portal chose ND without any NIL guarantees?

I explained that above. A deal is only as good as it's terms and no one here has seen even a hint at $$ figures. All we hear is recruits say "NIL is important but it's not the only thing that matters" in regards to NIL talks with ND. That's not a ringing endorsement of ND's NIL..

So I guess show me where you rest your confidence? Is it in the $$ figures you've heard in back channels? Is it Savy Jack behing 'ahead of the curve'? Is it ND's recent history if supporting the football program (lol)? Is it the 5-star's we flipped to us at end of last signing day? Is it the weak terms of the UA contract that can't light a candle to our regional rival's contracts (Michigan, OSU)?

I'm sure Sam got something, but like I explained above, a "deal" can be worthless. Some free shoes and $20K (for example because no one has a clue what/if ND players have been paid)... $20K would mean Sam passed up more, per the obvious for a QB with his experience/caliber.

So I ask again, where are you resting your confidence in that ND's NIL is "significant"?

 

[stlnd01]

I explained that above. A deal is only as good as it's terms and no one here has seen even a hint at $$ figures. All we hear is recruits say "NIL is important but it's not the only thing that matters" in regards to NIL talks with ND. That's not a ringing endorsement of ND's NIL..

So I guess show me where you rest your confidence? Is it in the $$ figures you've heard in back channels? Is it Savy Jack behing 'ahead of the curve'? Is it ND's recent history if supporting the football program (lol)? Is it the 5-star's we flipped to us at end of last signing day? Is it the weak terms of the UA contract that can't light a candle to our regional rival's contracts (Michigan, OSU)?

I'm sure Sam got something, but like I explained above, a "deal" can be worthless. Some free shoes and $20K (for example because no one has a clue what/if ND players have been paid)... $20K would mean Sam passed up more, per the obvious for a QB with his experience/caliber.

So I ask again, where are you resting your confidence in that ND's NIL is "significant"?

There’s clearly a big difference in the way we approach NIL for high school recruits vs for established players. This is pretty obvious. We’re not in the game for NIL-first recruits. But that really doesn’t have anything to do with what a guy like Hartman is getting.

 

[SeekNDestroy]

I explained that above. A deal is only as good as it's terms and no one here has seen even a hint at $$ figures. All we hear is recruits say "NIL is important but it's not the only thing that matters" in regards to NIL talks with ND. That's not a ringing endorsement of ND's NIL..

So I guess show me where you rest your confidence? Is it in the $$ figures you've heard in back channels? Is it Savy Jack behing 'ahead of the curve'? Is it ND's recent history if supporting the football program (lol)? Is it the 5-star's we flipped to us at end of last signing day? Is it the weak terms of the UA contract that can't light a candle to our regional rival's contracts (Michigan, OSU)?

I'm sure Sam got something, but like I explained above, a "deal" can be worthless. Some free shoes and $20K (for example because no one has a clue what/if ND players have been paid)... $20K would mean Sam passed up more, per the obvious for a QB with his experience/caliber.

So I ask again, where are you resting your confidence in that ND's NIL is "significant"?

The player’s parking lot.

 

[Lberry]

There’s clearly a big difference in the way we approach NIL for high school recruits vs for established players. This is pretty obvious. We’re not in the game for NIL-first recruits. But that really doesn’t have anything to do with what a guy like Hartman is getting.

Agree, maybe transfers is our niche, but other than "well he came here so he must be getting paid big", what reason is there to believe that?

We have potentially two 1st round tackles, a great running game, MF as head coach, and at the time, Tommy Rees, who say what you want about his development/talent identification, can recruit coveted QBs (Dante Moore, CJ Carr, Minchey). ND has a lot to sell a 1 year guy like Sam. So while I think it's clear he is getting a NIL "deal", are we going to be competing for elite transfers year in, year out due to NIL? I personally haven't seen anything to believe that.

 

[PutuporShutup]

Damn, guess we shoulda gotten another former Wisconsin QB...



Klatt is once again a dumbass.

Like 2-3 will play in the 24 season

 

[tko]

Joel is now in the hack category.

 

[TheRealLynch51]

I explained that above. A deal is only as good as it's terms and no one here has seen even a hint at $$ figures. All we hear is recruits say "NIL is important but it's not the only thing that matters" in regards to NIL talks with ND. That's not a ringing endorsement of ND's NIL..

So I guess show me where you rest your confidence? Is it in the $$ figures you've heard in back channels? Is it Savy Jack behing 'ahead of the curve'? Is it ND's recent history if supporting the football program (lol)? Is it the 5-star's we flipped to us at end of last signing day? Is it the weak terms of the UA contract that can't light a candle to our regional rival's contracts (Michigan, OSU)?

I'm sure Sam got something, but like I explained above, a "deal" can be worthless. Some free shoes and $20K (for example because no one has a clue what/if ND players have been paid)... $20K would mean Sam passed up more, per the obvious for a QB with his experience/caliber.

So I ask again, where are you resting your confidence in that ND's NIL is "significant"?

Because if it wasn't, Hartman would have chosen a different school for WAY more money. You're telling me the best QB in the transfer portal wasn't getting large money offers from other schools? No way. What does he gain at ND? More national profile? He stayed after an OC change like 3 weeks after he got on campus. Meaning he's probably getting something contractually to play. Are NIL contracts for transfers going to be posted online for us to peruse? Again, no way. If you could make 1-2 million to play college football for one year, but one school is offering you 20K, which one do you take? The gains in exposure aren't worth losing that much money.

 

[IrishLion]

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Because if it wasn't, Hartman would have chosen a different school for WAY more money. You're telling me the best QB in the transfer portal wasn't getting large money offers from other schools? No way. What does he gain at ND? More national profile? He stayed after an OC change like 3 weeks after he got on campus. Meaning he's probably getting something contractually to play. Are NIL contracts for transfers going to be posted online for us to peruse? Again, no way. If you could make 1-2 million to play college football for one year, but one school is offering you 20K, which one do you take? The gains in exposure aren't worth losing that much money.

Plus, the Rhode Island kid was getting pursued by some big dogs.

I haven’t seen any marketing involving him yet, but there’s no way he cancels a visit to LSU if ND’s NIL pitch wasn’t solid (unless he had zero interest in NIL opportunities, but that would be weird for a dude blowing up on the transfer market).

 

[Lberry]

Because if it wasn't, Hartman would have chosen a different school for WAY more money. You're telling me the best QB in the transfer portal wasn't getting large money offers from other schools? No way. What does he gain at ND? More national profile? He stayed after an OC change like 3 weeks after he got on campus. Meaning he's probably getting something contractually to play. Are NIL contracts for transfers going to be posted online for us to peruse? Again, no way. If you could make 1-2 million to play college football for one year, but one school is offering you 20K, which one do you take? The gains in exposure aren't worth losing that much money.

If your best evidence is "well he came here so we must have big time NIL", I rest my case.

 

[TheRealLynch51]

If your best evidence is "well he came here so we must have big time NIL", I rest my case.

And if yours is "Well, I haven't heard anything myself" then I rest mine. Haha If you think Hartman chose ND out of the goodness of his heart and the storied tradition of the Fighting Irish, then I have a bridge to sell you

 

[stlnd01]

Because if it wasn't, Hartman would have chosen a different school for WAY more money. You're telling me the best QB in the transfer portal wasn't getting large money offers from other schools? No way. What does he gain at ND? More national profile? He stayed after an OC change like 3 weeks after he got on campus. Meaning he's probably getting something contractually to play. Are NIL contracts for transfers going to be posted online for us to peruse? Again, no way. If you could make 1-2 million to play college football for one year, but one school is offering you 20K, which one do you take? The gains in exposure aren't worth losing that much money.

This here.
Also it is 100 percent certain that no-QB Bama made Hartman an offer to come there after Rees jumped. Just as much profile. Just as good an offense. Better chance to play on the biggest stage. They would have offered him real money, and as a GT he could have left in a heartbeat. You think he stuck out of loyalty to a football team he'd been a part of for two months? No. We absolutely have a competitive NIL package for a guy like him. Otherwise he wouldn't be here.

 

[stlnd01]

If your best evidence is "well he came here so we must have big time NIL", I rest my case.

Funny but the contracts aren't public record. What more evidence do you need?

 

[TheRealLynch51]

Funny but the contracts aren't public record. What more evidence do you need?

 

[Lberry]

Funny but the contracts aren't public record. What more evidence do you need?

Aall above. There's zero proof one way or another what ND's NIL offering is, but the evidence compared to "well Hartman came here so it must be goooood":

1) Recruits repeatedly coming out of ND visits saying NIL was discussed but and won't be the only factor.

2) Jeremiah Love saying he passed on a 7 figure deal to sign with ND

3) We just lost three 5-stars in a single class to NIL

4) Jack is living in the 90s, and said NIL won't be a big factor in the UA deal

5) The UA contract is lame. It's the best we could get but tens of millions behind OSU, Michigan, etc. So where's the extra money coming from?

6) Zero reports or even hints at $$ value for ND players, meanwhile others have 7 figure deals public, $12K/month apartments online, cars.

Evidence =/ proof but when it comes to ND's NIL there's no supporting evidence it's significant.

 

[TheRealLynch51]

Aall above. There's zero proof one way or another what ND's NIL offering is, but the evidence compared to "well Hartman came here so it must be goooood":

1) Recruits repeatedly coming out of ND visits saying NIL was discussed but and won't be the only factor.

2) Jeremiah Love saying he passed on a 7 figure deal to sign with ND

3) We just lost three 5-stars in a single class to NIL

4) Jack is living in the 90s, and said NIL won't be a big factor in the UA deal

5)

You do realize that paying high school players to come to ND and playing proven college players can be two completely different things, right? That it's possible to do one and not the other?

 

[Lberry]

You do realize that paying high school players to come to ND and playing proven college players can be two completely different things, right? That it's possible to do one and not the other?

Explained thoroughly in post #732.

So how much is Sam getting?

 

[TheRealLynch51]

Explained thoroughly in post #732.

So how much is Sam getting?

Don't know. No one does since NIL deals and backchanneling isn't published publicly. Anywhere in the country. For any team. For any transfers.

 

[Valpodoc85]

Any deal done by professionals should not be broadcast on the nightly news it protects both parties. ND has to compete. That means NIL. You won’t stay independent, or get a network contract without a competent NIL game.

 

[notredomer23]

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[Lberry]

Source?

awesome if true but this would be the first I've seen of this. And with the attention ND's NIL (or lack of) gets, this would be all over the beats/premiums/podcasts if true.

 

[notredomer23]

Source?

awesome if true but this would be the first I've seen of this. And with the attention ND's NIL (or lack of) gets, this would be all over the beats/premiums/podcasts if true.

It is all over the premium boards whenever it gets asked. When people start posting specific numbers those posts get deleted quickly because that’s not something the public needs to know.

This isn’t unique to ND. You’re not gonna find any other player’s exact NIL earnings from any other school. The only deals I can think of that have become public are the Rashada deal that was a scam from the get go, the Nico Ilamaleva deal at Tennessee.

 

[ab2cmiller]

It is all over the premium boards whenever it gets asked. When people start posting specific numbers those posts get deleted quickly because that’s not something the public needs to know.

This isn’t unique to ND. You’re not gonna find any other player’s exact NIL earnings from any other school. The only deals I can think of that have become public are the Rashada deal that was a scam from the get go, the Nico Ilamaleva deal at Tennessee.

So you know with 100% certainty based upon other peoples posts on a message board?

 

[notredomer23]

So you know with 100% certainty based upon other peoples posts on a message board?

Everything I posted has been verified by staff members one time or another. A little team in Gainesville was also ready to give him significantly more, but he chose ND.



There's also this.

and for those with II: NIL money for transfers

O'Malley confirms in this thread the bit about FUND, Vayner, donors etc.

 

[Lberry]

It is all over the premium boards whenever it gets asked. When people start posting specific numbers those posts get deleted quickly because that’s not something the public needs to know.

This isn’t unique to ND. You’re not gonna find any other player’s exact NIL earnings from any other school. The only deals I can think of that have become public are the Rashada deal that was a scam from the get go, the Nico Ilamaleva deal at Tennessee.

I'm on ISD premium, listen to every ISD and Irish Illustrated podcast and can say for certain this is BS.

Unless one poster once made it up in a random thread that had no credence, it isn't supported by any of the beats/analysts/ppl that do this for their jobs.

 

[notredomer23]

I'm on ISD premium, listen to every ISD and Irish Illustrated podcast and can say for certain this is BS.

Unless one poster once made it up in a random thread that had no credence, it isn't supported by any of the beats/analysts/ppl that do this for their jobs.

Idk what to tell you bud, believe what you want. Have a nice day.

 

[Huntr]

Joel is now in the hack category.

 

[irishandy]

Is Lberry Du Lac?

 

[GrangerIrish24]

Who fucking cares? He chose ND. He throws in 6 days. Move on.

 

[Old Man Mike]

Sam, he good. We good.

 

[Irish4life]

Notre Dame's Sam Hartman signs with Beats by Dre, gifts headphones to teammates

Notre Dame's Sam Hartman is back to signing NIL deals that benefit his teammates, this time partnering with Beats by Dre.

www.on3.com

Pretty cool! Sam got an NIL deal from Beats by Dre and gifted the team all gold headphones!