'18 SC QB Sam Hartman (Notre Dame Transfer)

[ndfanatic78]

Sam Hartman was already making 6 figures according to reports at Wake Forest. He could be making more at other schools than ND. He came to ND for the prostyle offense and to improve his draft stock. No where have I seen it reported he came to ND because of the amazing NIL deal he got, and according to multiple reports and Foskey ND doesn't have amazing NIL deals, competitive probably but again that is not why Sam Hartman came to ND.

 

[NDdomer2]

That sure sounds like it wouldn't be favorable to ND if those figures weren't favorable.
Question is, what would be considered decent NIL for Sam Hartman at ND?
Shall we start the guessing at $60,000?

LOL thats not decent. Sam would have definitely got drafted, IMO, so i think you need to start with what does that pay for "decent" or not.

The wages for players chosen in the sixth round range from $642,353 to $662,972. Last but not least, seventh-round selections earn a paycheck between $628,873 and $638,424.

 

[StPaul_Irish]

I think the amounts should definitely stay private. Those amounts coming out can only hurt us not help us.

Maybe, or maybe it would force ND's hand. Also if these guys want to get paid and be treated like Pro's then 10000% their deals should be public.

 

[notredomer23]

Loy confirmed that the Shart man is speaking tomorrow.

 

[Crazy Balki]

Sam Hartman was already making 6 figures according to reports at Wake Forest. He could be making more at other schools than ND. He came to ND for the prostyle offense and to improve his draft stock. No where have I seen it reported he came to ND because of the amazing NIL deal he got, and according to multiple reports and Foskey ND doesn't have amazing NIL deals, competitive probably but again that is not why Sam Hartman came to ND.

That isn't what Foskey said.

The comments Foskey mentioned was about upfront NIL to recruits. ND, by many accounts and repots, provides very competitive NIL opportunities. But they're not situations that are simply given to a kid for promising to sign with ND.

 

[ndfanatic78]

That isn't what Foskey said.

The comments Foskey mentioned was about upfront NIL to recruits. ND, by many accounts and repots, provides very competitive NIL opportunities. But they're not situations that are simply given to a kid for promising to sign with ND.

So are you just trying to argue? Foskey said that other schools offer NIL deals that ND doesn’t. He then clarified that to mean that they have to work for the NIL deals where as others don’t. I just replaced all that with the word “amazing” NIL deals. Your interpretation of my words was wrong that’s all. Still doesn’t change my point that Hartman did not come here for the NIL deal. He could have gotten the same deal many other places or better. Have a nice day.

 

[IrishLion]

That isn't what Foskey said.

The comments Foskey mentioned was about upfront NIL to recruits. ND, by many accounts and repots, provides very competitive NIL opportunities. But they're not situations that are simply given to a kid for promising to sign with ND.

Foskey also mentioned that he might not have *stayed* at ND, implying the NIL stuff once enrolled still leaves room for improvement, as well.

Of course, you can’t control another school offering a guy the bag to transfer with almost no stipulations, but Foskey’s comments seemed pretty clearly to imply that ND has work to do, and not just “hand out bags for pay-for-play”

 

[Crazy Balki]

Foskey also mentioned that he might not have *stayed* at ND, implying the NIL stuff once enrolled still leaves room for improvement, as well.

Of course, you can’t control another school offering a guy the bag to transfer with almost no stipulations, but Foskey’s comments seemed pretty clearly to imply that ND has work to do, and not just “hand out bags for pay-for-play”

But Foskey DID stay.

I'm not saying that ND can't improve the way they approach NIL, but if it were true that Foskey might not have stayed without NIL, it seems to bode well for where ND is at currently that he did stay. Like I said, he got paid very generously from NIL.

 

[stlnd01]

But Foskey DID stay.

I'm not saying that ND can't improve the way they approach NIL, but if it were true that Foskey might not have stayed without NIL, it seems to bode well for where ND is at currently that he did stay. Like I said, he got paid very generously from NIL.

I would suspect that Foskey stayed for his senior year in part because he could make money through NIL. It probably wasn't the whole reason but the ability to get paid handsomely would make it easier to decide not to enter the draft, for someone in the position he was a year ago.

FWIW, I took his comments to be largely about upfront NIL. For high school recruits and probably for the sort of packages that get dangled to current players to induce them to transfer. We know that Notre Dame doesn't really play either of those games, and while Notre Dame worked out just fine for Foskey, he understands not everyone's going to be willing/able to play the long game like he did. And he's not wrong. There's a sizable list of both recruits and transfers who made exactly the decision he's warning about here. We all know this.

 

[Te'o4Heisman]

Ah nothing like a bunch of grown men arguing back and forth about how they are right about what someone else meant by what they said.

 

[Crazy Balki]

I would suspect that Foskey stayed for his senior year in part because he could make money through NIL. It probably wasn't the whole reason but the ability to get paid handsomely would make it easier to decide not to enter the draft, for someone in the position he was a year ago.

FWIW, I took his comments to be largely about upfront NIL. For high school recruits and probably for the sort of packages that get dangled to current players to induce them to transfer. We know that Notre Dame doesn't really play either of those games, and while Notre Dame worked out just fine for Foskey, he understands not everyone's going to be willing/able to play the long game like he did. And he's not wrong. There's a sizable list of both recruits and transfers who made exactly the decision he's warning about here. We all know this.

That's what I got, which is why I don't understand why he says that in the first place.

He's not entirely wrong. It's hard to turn down guaranteed big money deals, but two problems with that:

1) We're seeing that these deals are rarer than what is likely perceived. Not to mention, that's only when they actually go through without issues.

2) As a HS player, Foskey isn't getting that kind of upfront deal. He was ranked out of the top 200 in his HS class.

So why put it out there? You know ND is not going to play that game, and frankly, we're seeing the downsides of trying to play that game (see A&M and Florida). I would think that Foskey would want to advocate for upcoming athletes working to earn their NIL money, because THAT'S what NIL should be about. Throw you alma mater a bone here.

It's probably nitpicking, but it comes with the territory when you're a project 1st rounder. Everything you say and do is going to be put under a microscope. And what he said doesn't exactly paint ND in a good light.

 

[stlnd01]

Ah nothing like a bunch of grown men arguing back and forth about how they are right about what someone else meant by what they said.

What better way to spend the offseason?

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Ah nothing like a bunch of grown men arguing back and forth about how they are right about what someone else meant by what they said.

Lol. Right?!

This is Hartman's thread and in regards to why Hartman came to ND, the answer is....drum roll....probably BOTH pro-style AND NIL.

Sam's probably going to push high 6-figures in his one year at ND. Dude could potentially go beyond that with a Heisman caliber year. He's going to continue to develop his skills while also showcasing what he can do which will improve his draft stock well above the 6th and 7th round paydays as mentioned above.

ND is a place that offered Sam the best combination of everything he was looking for. Pro-style offense, development, exposure, NIL. Not much else to it than that, imo.

 

[Irishdrunk]

Foskey also mentioned that he might not have *stayed* at ND, implying the NIL stuff once enrolled still leaves room for improvement, as well.

Of course, you can’t control another school offering a guy the bag to transfer with almost no stipulations, but Foskey’s comments seemed pretty clearly to imply that ND has work to do, and not just “hand out bags for pay-for-play”

I am sure you can tell that in the recruiting results alone. Its pretty obvious that 5 stars are going elsewhere despite Freeman having such charisma because, unfortunately, nothing talks better than money.

The NIL alone is one factor that has ND on a substantial leg down from programs truly committed to winning National Titles.

 

[notredomer23]

Hopefully II & on3 have more moments

 

[Irish4life]

 

[irishff1014]

Hopefully II & on3 have more moments

“It is what it is”

 

[dublinirish]

Dear Andy: Will Texas or Notre Dame find its QB first? Florida, Anthony Richardson, more

Arch Manning started practice at Texas this week, but has Notre Dame found its answer with Wake Forest transfer Sam Hartman?

theathletic.com

Which school gets its quarterback position right first: Texas or Notre Dame? Both schools have struggled to field a truly “great” quarterback over the last decade or more — Texas hasn’t had one since Colt McCoy and Notre Dame hasn’t had one since Brady Quinn in 2006 (some would argue Jimmy Clausen because he was an All-American but he didn’t win much).

The Longhorns have two highly talented, highly ranked signal callers in their room while ND plucked a decorated veteran out of the portal. Which school will find a QB that matches its pedigree first? — Zach

I lean toward Notre Dame because I’m excited to see what Wake Forest transfer Sam Hartman can do with the talent around him. Specifically, I’m excited to watch Hartman play with an offensive line made up of future NFL players. Left tackle Joe Alt already has NFL draftniks buzzing for 2024, and right tackle Blake Fisher can play his way into a high pick.

Hartman had good receivers at Wake Forest — A.T. Perry looked quite smooth last weekend at the NFL combine — but Wake Forest had two offensive linemen (a fourth-rounder and sixth-rounder) drafted in Hartman’s time as a starter. By contrast, Notre Dame had three offensive linemen drafted in the first three rounds in 2021 alone, and the five projected starters for 2023 all could be drafted at some point. (Alt could be picked very high.)

 

[IRISHDODGER]

Dear Andy: Will Texas or Notre Dame find its QB first? Florida, Anthony Richardson, more

Arch Manning started practice at Texas this week, but has Notre Dame found its answer with Wake Forest transfer Sam Hartman?

theathletic.com

Staples may be my favorite national writer. Somehow he stays informed on every team & I’ve yet to detect any true biases vs another program. I think him having played P5 football & being a journalist is the perfect combo.

 

[OKCDomer23]

This is really good to hear. Would love to see Hartman start and use Buchner in certain packages. Will be interesting to see how it unfolds.

 

[notredomer23]

On what he's studying at Notre Dame:
"I am non-degree seeking. I just took a theology exam today. I hope it went well. It's the New Testament Studies. It's Professor Fitzgerald. And I apologize, Professor Fitzgerald, if it's not good and he has to read a bunch of crap. I tried my best."

 

[NorthDakota]

I'm surprised that's allowed. I thought athletes were required to be working towards some academic goal?

 

[dublinirish]

I'm surprised that's allowed. I thought athletes were required to be working towards some academic goal?

i cant imagine many grad transfers ever complete Masters Degrees

 

[NorthDakota]

i cant imagine many grad transfers ever complete Masters Degrees

right, i just figured they had to at least be on course to within X time.

 

[dublinirish]

 

[stpeteirish]

right, i just figured they had to at least be on course to within X time.

Was true for many years but we dropped that requirement (quietly) a few years ago. Book was the first guy I recall mentioning he wasn't seeking a grad degree.

Sign of the times, I guess.

 

[irishandy]

This is what Buchner will benefit from for the 2024 season.

 

[stlnd01]

Was true for many years but we dropped that requirement (quietly) a few years ago. Book was the first guy I recall mentioning he wasn't seeking a grad degree.

Sign of the times, I guess.

It was kind of a farce. Realistically a guy like Hartman is a student for two semesters. A grad transfer who arrives over the summer - Chris Smith last year - is here for just one.

 

[Irishdrunk]

2024 will be the year w our best chance to make the CFP. We need to see some packages w Buchner throwing the ball.

If we don’t see him w some decent reps this year… how does the staff feel confident not taking another Grad Transfer QB?

 

[Hammer Of The Gods]

2024 will be the year w our best chance to make the CFP. We need to see some packages w Buchner throwing the ball.

If we don’t see him w some decent reps this year… how does the staff feel confident not taking another Grad Transfer QB?

IMO one of the OSU QB's will hit the portal after this season...I don't see how you don't take one if the opportunity came about.